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RobertMoore
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I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one more network fold up. Between UPN and the WB, there's enough material for maybe 1 or 2 nights of good TV per week.
Will we see in the US a scenario similar to Canada, which now has only one certified "network", CBC, while the rest, including CTV, are "services"? Might we see the return of full-power indies, or are we more likely to see more 24/7 full-power shopping or infomercial channels? Or might TV really get creative and do something completely different?
Will we see in the US a scenario similar to Canada, which now has only one certified "network", CBC, while the rest, including CTV, are "services"? Might we see the return of full-power indies, or are we more likely to see more 24/7 full-power shopping or infomercial channels? Or might TV really get creative and do something completely different?
Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one more network
> fold up. Between UPN and the WB, there's enough material
> for maybe 1 or 2 nights of good TV per week.
>
> Will we see in the US a scenario similar to Canada, which
> now has only one certified "network", CBC, while the rest,
> including CTV, are "services"? Might we see the return of
> full-power indies, or are we more likely to see more 24/7
> full-power shopping or infomercial channels? Or might TV
> really get creative and do something completely different?
>
Viacom doesn't need it. In addition to CBS, They have Spike TV and they're making Nick at Nite into a general thing too with all those 80s shows. Plus MTV and VH1 are "program orianted" and MTV2 is headed that way. So again, they don't need it. And screw what Rupert has to think. Murdoch has his own crap at News Corp that he can shovel on KCOP, WWOR, and whatever other UPN stations he owns. Aw hell, in WWOR's case, might be a golden opportunity to do a primetime news block 8-11pm like KCAL here in LA does. I don't think that anyone else programs news from 8-10 pm in the NYC, correct?<P ID="signature">______________
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> I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one more network
> fold up. Between UPN and the WB, there's enough material
> for maybe 1 or 2 nights of good TV per week.
>
> Will we see in the US a scenario similar to Canada, which
> now has only one certified "network", CBC, while the rest,
> including CTV, are "services"? Might we see the return of
> full-power indies, or are we more likely to see more 24/7
> full-power shopping or infomercial channels? Or might TV
> really get creative and do something completely different?
>
Viacom doesn't need it. In addition to CBS, They have Spike TV and they're making Nick at Nite into a general thing too with all those 80s shows. Plus MTV and VH1 are "program orianted" and MTV2 is headed that way. So again, they don't need it. And screw what Rupert has to think. Murdoch has his own crap at News Corp that he can shovel on KCOP, WWOR, and whatever other UPN stations he owns. Aw hell, in WWOR's case, might be a golden opportunity to do a primetime news block 8-11pm like KCAL here in LA does. I don't think that anyone else programs news from 8-10 pm in the NYC, correct?<P ID="signature">______________
The old skool show@noon with Jeff G and DJ Rawn
Only on Power 106(KPWR Los Angeles)
JOSH, Moderating the whole Radio-Info radio state of California and Indiana too!</P>
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6tothebronx
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Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
Correct. There is no 8-10pm newscast on any local NYC station.
Correct. There is no 8-10pm newscast on any local NYC station.
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moedog1
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Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> PBS used to be the 4th network until FOX came along. I would
> like to see UPN and WB fold up. They can test these programs
> on cable tv and the other networks can pick them up. (ABC,
> CBS, FOX, NBC)
>
Why in the world would any body "like to see UPN and WB fold up?" That makes no sense for any one that is interested in TV. Outside of the very largest markets, the result would be more 24/7 infomercial and "christian" stations. Both WB and UPN have audiences for the the programs they now offer, whether 100% of the public enjoys them or not. I don't understand what some people have against these networks, especially UPN. Well, I do have an idea about why some hate UPN, but we won't go there......
> PBS used to be the 4th network until FOX came along. I would
> like to see UPN and WB fold up. They can test these programs
> on cable tv and the other networks can pick them up. (ABC,
> CBS, FOX, NBC)
>
Why in the world would any body "like to see UPN and WB fold up?" That makes no sense for any one that is interested in TV. Outside of the very largest markets, the result would be more 24/7 infomercial and "christian" stations. Both WB and UPN have audiences for the the programs they now offer, whether 100% of the public enjoys them or not. I don't understand what some people have against these networks, especially UPN. Well, I do have an idea about why some hate UPN, but we won't go there......
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gooberj
Guest
Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> > PBS used to be the 4th network until FOX came along. I
> would
> > like to see UPN and WB fold up. They can test these
> programs
> > on cable tv and the other networks can pick them up. (ABC,
>
> > CBS, FOX, NBC)
> >
> Why in the world would any body "like to see UPN and WB fold
> up?" That makes no sense for any one that is interested in
> TV. Outside of the very largest markets, the result would
> be more 24/7 infomercial and "christian" stations. Both WB
> and UPN have audiences for the the programs they now offer,
> whether 100% of the public enjoys them or not. I don't
> understand what some people have against these networks,
> especially UPN. Well, I do have an idea about why some hate
> UPN, but we won't go there......
>
Personally speaking, I think UPN is on the way out the door. The WB, however, I believe will be around for quite a while yet unless they do something totally crazy. Of course, I'm kinda partial to the WB - about half of the prime-time tv I watch comes from the WB.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > PBS used to be the 4th network until FOX came along. I
> would
> > like to see UPN and WB fold up. They can test these
> programs
> > on cable tv and the other networks can pick them up. (ABC,
>
> > CBS, FOX, NBC)
> >
> Why in the world would any body "like to see UPN and WB fold
> up?" That makes no sense for any one that is interested in
> TV. Outside of the very largest markets, the result would
> be more 24/7 infomercial and "christian" stations. Both WB
> and UPN have audiences for the the programs they now offer,
> whether 100% of the public enjoys them or not. I don't
> understand what some people have against these networks,
> especially UPN. Well, I do have an idea about why some hate
> UPN, but we won't go there......
>
Personally speaking, I think UPN is on the way out the door. The WB, however, I believe will be around for quite a while yet unless they do something totally crazy. Of course, I'm kinda partial to the WB - about half of the prime-time tv I watch comes from the WB.<P ID="signature">______________
Deep In The Heart of Dixie
Alabama/East TN/Kentucky/Mississippi</P>
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toby
Guest
Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> Correct. There is no 8-10pm newscast on any local NYC
> station.
Well there is an 8-9PM newscast on WRNN, which is sort of a New York station, but thats weekday only.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Correct. There is no 8-10pm newscast on any local NYC
> station.
Well there is an 8-9PM newscast on WRNN, which is sort of a New York station, but thats weekday only.<P ID="signature">______________
WCBS = We're Crazy Buffoons and Schmucks
<a href=http://chuck.spotteddogs.org/tv/>Spotted Dog TV Talk - for all your non-news TV Talk</a></P>
Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> > > PBS used to be the 4th network until FOX came along. I
> > would
> > > like to see UPN and WB fold up. They can test these
> > programs
> > > on cable tv and the other networks can pick them up.
> (ABC,
> >
> > > CBS, FOX, NBC)
> > >
> > Why in the world would any body "like to see UPN and WB
> fold
> > up?" That makes no sense for any one that is interested
> in
> > TV. Outside of the very largest markets, the result would
>
> > be more 24/7 infomercial and "christian" stations. Both
> WB
> > and UPN have audiences for the the programs they now
> offer,
> > whether 100% of the public enjoys them or not. I don't
> > understand what some people have against these networks,
> > especially UPN. Well, I do have an idea about why some
> hate
> > UPN, but we won't go there......
> >
> Personally speaking, I think UPN is on the way out the door.
> The WB, however, I believe will be around for quite a while
> yet unless they do something totally crazy. Of course, I'm
> kinda partial to the WB - about half of the prime-time tv I
> watch comes from the WB.
>
TO me, UPN took the greatness out of stations like WWOR, WSBK, KCOP and other big ticket stations (WSBK in particular as it seems to be a shadow of its former self). I would not shed any tears for UPN!
> > > PBS used to be the 4th network until FOX came along. I
> > would
> > > like to see UPN and WB fold up. They can test these
> > programs
> > > on cable tv and the other networks can pick them up.
> (ABC,
> >
> > > CBS, FOX, NBC)
> > >
> > Why in the world would any body "like to see UPN and WB
> fold
> > up?" That makes no sense for any one that is interested
> in
> > TV. Outside of the very largest markets, the result would
>
> > be more 24/7 infomercial and "christian" stations. Both
> WB
> > and UPN have audiences for the the programs they now
> offer,
> > whether 100% of the public enjoys them or not. I don't
> > understand what some people have against these networks,
> > especially UPN. Well, I do have an idea about why some
> hate
> > UPN, but we won't go there......
> >
> Personally speaking, I think UPN is on the way out the door.
> The WB, however, I believe will be around for quite a while
> yet unless they do something totally crazy. Of course, I'm
> kinda partial to the WB - about half of the prime-time tv I
> watch comes from the WB.
>
TO me, UPN took the greatness out of stations like WWOR, WSBK, KCOP and other big ticket stations (WSBK in particular as it seems to be a shadow of its former self). I would not shed any tears for UPN!
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Tom_Desmond
Guest
Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> TO me, UPN took the greatness out of stations like WWOR,
> WSBK, KCOP and other big ticket stations (WSBK in particular
> as it seems to be a shadow of its former self). I would not
> shed any tears for UPN!
The problem is that those stations aren't going to return to their past glory, even if UPN goes under. For the past decade, those stations have become UPN9, UPN38, and UPN13, and have no real identity to a good chunk of current viewers as a result.
> TO me, UPN took the greatness out of stations like WWOR,
> WSBK, KCOP and other big ticket stations (WSBK in particular
> as it seems to be a shadow of its former self). I would not
> shed any tears for UPN!
The problem is that those stations aren't going to return to their past glory, even if UPN goes under. For the past decade, those stations have become UPN9, UPN38, and UPN13, and have no real identity to a good chunk of current viewers as a result.
Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> > TO me, UPN took the greatness out of stations like WWOR,
> > WSBK, KCOP and other big ticket stations (WSBK in
> particular
> > as it seems to be a shadow of its former self). I would
> not
> > shed any tears for UPN!
>
> The problem is that those stations aren't going to return to
> their past glory, even if UPN goes under. For the past
> decade, those stations have become UPN9, UPN38, and UPN13,
> and have no real identity to a good chunk of current viewers
> as a result.
>
i think out of upn and the wb, the wb will fold first, why upn? upn is like the bet of regulur tv, they need to at least have something then all the white shows on the regulur networks, upn is like hip hop, its getting more populur and won't end<P ID="signature">______________
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> > TO me, UPN took the greatness out of stations like WWOR,
> > WSBK, KCOP and other big ticket stations (WSBK in
> particular
> > as it seems to be a shadow of its former self). I would
> not
> > shed any tears for UPN!
>
> The problem is that those stations aren't going to return to
> their past glory, even if UPN goes under. For the past
> decade, those stations have become UPN9, UPN38, and UPN13,
> and have no real identity to a good chunk of current viewers
> as a result.
>
i think out of upn and the wb, the wb will fold first, why upn? upn is like the bet of regulur tv, they need to at least have something then all the white shows on the regulur networks, upn is like hip hop, its getting more populur and won't end<P ID="signature">______________
xxnate_doggxx (at) myway (dot) com
</P>
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Whyzmaster954
Guest
Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> > TO me, UPN took the greatness out of stations like WWOR,
> > WSBK, KCOP and other big ticket stations (WSBK in
> particular
> > as it seems to be a shadow of its former self). I would
> not
> > shed any tears for UPN!
>
> The problem is that those stations aren't going to return to
> their past glory, even if UPN goes under. For the past
> decade, those stations have become UPN9, UPN38, and UPN13,
> and have no real identity to a good chunk of current viewers
> as a result.
>
Not unless the television station owners (Viacom) sell the station as well as Tribune sells it to a different owner.
> > TO me, UPN took the greatness out of stations like WWOR,
> > WSBK, KCOP and other big ticket stations (WSBK in
> particular
> > as it seems to be a shadow of its former self). I would
> not
> > shed any tears for UPN!
>
> The problem is that those stations aren't going to return to
> their past glory, even if UPN goes under. For the past
> decade, those stations have become UPN9, UPN38, and UPN13,
> and have no real identity to a good chunk of current viewers
> as a result.
>
Not unless the television station owners (Viacom) sell the station as well as Tribune sells it to a different owner.
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Tom_Desmond
Guest
Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> Not unless the television station owners (Viacom) sell the
> station as well as Tribune sells it to a different owner.
Even then, we're not likely to see those stations return to past glory. After all, the image of these stations for the past decade has been that of cookie cutter UPNxx stations, and not the distinctive and popular independents that those of us who are a little bit older remember. It's really hard to undo ten years of damage to the image of these stations...
Aside from that, there is the issue of getting programming for these stations -- what is available in syndication today isn't as good as what was available back in the eighties. In addition, so much of the available syndicated programming that is desirable lands on co-owned stations first. The result is that if these stations were independently owned, they would lack access to top tier syndicated shows, and if they're part of duopolies they will become dumping grounds for programs that don't do well on the bigger station in the duopoly.
While I would like to see the return of viable independent stations, if it is possible it will likely be something that is different from what we remember.
> Not unless the television station owners (Viacom) sell the
> station as well as Tribune sells it to a different owner.
Even then, we're not likely to see those stations return to past glory. After all, the image of these stations for the past decade has been that of cookie cutter UPNxx stations, and not the distinctive and popular independents that those of us who are a little bit older remember. It's really hard to undo ten years of damage to the image of these stations...
Aside from that, there is the issue of getting programming for these stations -- what is available in syndication today isn't as good as what was available back in the eighties. In addition, so much of the available syndicated programming that is desirable lands on co-owned stations first. The result is that if these stations were independently owned, they would lack access to top tier syndicated shows, and if they're part of duopolies they will become dumping grounds for programs that don't do well on the bigger station in the duopoly.
While I would like to see the return of viable independent stations, if it is possible it will likely be something that is different from what we remember.
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KMRichards
Guest
Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> While I would like to see the return of viable independent
> stations, if it is possible it will likely be something that
> is different from what we remember.
I nominate KDOC/56 Anaheim (Los Angeles market) as a model for an independent station. Look at their weekday schedule from 8:00am to 10:00pm:
<a target="_blank" href=http://tvlistings2.zap2it.com/grid_one.asp?station_num=10410&partner_id=national>http://tvlistings2.zap2it.com/grid_one.asp?station_num=10410&partner_id=national</a>
Replace the overnight home shopping and the weekend infomercials with movies, and it's pretty much there.
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> While I would like to see the return of viable independent
> stations, if it is possible it will likely be something that
> is different from what we remember.
I nominate KDOC/56 Anaheim (Los Angeles market) as a model for an independent station. Look at their weekday schedule from 8:00am to 10:00pm:
<a target="_blank" href=http://tvlistings2.zap2it.com/grid_one.asp?station_num=10410&partner_id=national>http://tvlistings2.zap2it.com/grid_one.asp?station_num=10410&partner_id=national</a>
Replace the overnight home shopping and the weekend infomercials with movies, and it's pretty much there.
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Re: Like Monica, I predict UPN is so gone
> i think out of upn and the wb, the wb will fold first, why
> upn? upn is like the bet of regulur tv, they need to at
> least have something then all the white shows on the regulur
> networks, upn is like hip hop, its getting more populur and
> won't end
I'd think that the "hip hop" element of UPN is what is going to kill it. Take the Portland, ME affiliate, UPN 35. Portland's African-American population has to be around 2%. As the network gets more "hip hop"-like, the viewership is going to go way down in these types of markets, and affiliates will be lost. Yes, Portland does have an R/CHR, WRED 95.9, but it's listenership must be something like 99% white.
While a BET alternative may work in larger markets (LA, New York, Chicago), it will tank everywhere else. And BET's lead in the marketplace has been noticed, and perhaps TV One will slowly begin taking away their ratings as well. UPN is a joke. The WB provides something for all races and ethnicities, which will allow it to survive longer.
> i think out of upn and the wb, the wb will fold first, why
> upn? upn is like the bet of regulur tv, they need to at
> least have something then all the white shows on the regulur
> networks, upn is like hip hop, its getting more populur and
> won't end
I'd think that the "hip hop" element of UPN is what is going to kill it. Take the Portland, ME affiliate, UPN 35. Portland's African-American population has to be around 2%. As the network gets more "hip hop"-like, the viewership is going to go way down in these types of markets, and affiliates will be lost. Yes, Portland does have an R/CHR, WRED 95.9, but it's listenership must be something like 99% white.
While a BET alternative may work in larger markets (LA, New York, Chicago), it will tank everywhere else. And BET's lead in the marketplace has been noticed, and perhaps TV One will slowly begin taking away their ratings as well. UPN is a joke. The WB provides something for all races and ethnicities, which will allow it to survive longer.
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