New AM CP for 1180

[Elephant]

Check out KELE-AM at Radio-Info. It's moving from 1360 AM in Missouri, to 1180 AM in Ripley.

This is by no means a Cincinnati station, but it's interesting that the FCC would approve a move to 1180 when 1160 is so close, but if the contours don't overlap...

 

[major]

Didn't WDJO originally start as WBND 1180?

 

[microbob]

Originally, WDJO started as WFKB 1180 as a daytimer.. It moved to 1160 as WMLX with a Nostalga format that was on AM 1230.

 

[major]

So when was the WBND era?

 

[microbob]

According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WDJO#Move_to_1160
In February 1993, WMLX was granted Special Temporary Authority by the FCC to move to 1160 AM and broadcast 24 hours per day at 1000 watts daytime power and 500 watts at night. Call letters were changed in March 1993 to WBND, to reflect the station's new identity as "The Blend." This format was an attempt to merge the very popular Nostalgia/Standards format with an Urban Adult Contemporary format, which had been KLM's original plan for the station.

An early attempt at a Saturday sports talk show was hosted by Cincinnati basketball legend Oscar Robertson. A Sunday jazz show was hosted by local musician Wilbert Longmire. By 1995, WBND had been sold to the owners of WNKR-FM in Dry Ridge, Kentucky and the call letters changed to WKYN to reflect an emphasis towards northern Kentucky news and sports.



The station's signal was eventually upgraded to 5000 watts daytime and 990 watts nighttime, with different directional patterns for day and night. From the station's new transmitter site near Union, Kentucky, WKYN was now directing more than 10,000 watts towards downtown Cincinnati during the day. At night, the power directed at Cincinnati was only 1629 watts.

The lower power, coupled with typical nighttime AM skywave interference, caused the post-sunset signal to be listenable in limited areas of the market, mainly northern Kentucky and the western side of Cincinnati. (WDJO still uses this transmitter site with the same signal parameters.)

 

[MikeStandardsFromIndiana]

that seems weird that an am station from central missouri would move that far east to cincinnati ohio for almost all tense and purposes

 

[microbob]

There is also a CP for 1030 AM AURORA IN a move in from Greenville Alabama
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=7902

 

[Elephant]

microbob....WGYV is just an Application, it's not a CP yet.

 

[kirkiefan]

(with all due respect to Elephant's post)

How is this done? There are some AM frequencies here in Ohio that have went dark in recent years... 900 in Fremont,1030 in Union City,1080 in Sidney(and Owosso,MI) as well as 1560 in Chardon. I'm a bit surprised the above frequencies weren't considered for a move. Thought WHIO-AM was the only one when it moved 1290 from Oil City,Pennsylvania back in the 30s before the Dayton/Springfield station swap in 1954. (re:WWSO to WAVI(..now WDAO) and WJEL to WBLY(...now WULM.) )Never heard of such a station move like that ever again afterward.
One more question...why can't AM stations resurrect themselves after going silent in their licensed communities?

 

[microbob]

microbob....WGYV is just an Application, it's not a CP yet.

It's only an app so it probably is dead since its 2yrs old ..I stand corrected.

 

[Elephant]

kirkie...The WGYV application is a move from Alabama and it's a request to move to 1030 kHz. WXGO in Madison, Indiana has a CP to move to Aurora, Indiana with a signal covering the west side of town and northern Kentucky.

I'm seeing a lot of these applications. The FCC is allowing stations to move from very rural areas to open frequencies near larger markets.

Some of the frequencies can't be used due to overlapping contours of stations that have been added or upgraded in the meantime.

 

[knowbetter]

(with all due respect to Elephant's post)

How is this done? There are some AM frequencies here in Ohio that have went dark in recent years... 900 in Fremont,1030 in Union City,1080 in Sidney(and Owosso,MI) as well as 1560 in Chardon. I'm a bit surprised the above frequencies weren't considered for a move. Thought WHIO-AM was the only one when it moved 1290 from Oil City,Pennsylvania back in the 30s before the Dayton/Springfield station swap in 1954. (re:WWSO to WAVI(..now WDAO) and WJEL to WBLY(...now WULM.) )Never heard of such a station move like that ever again afterward.
One more question...why can't AM stations resurrect themselves after going silent in their licensed communities?

I came across this "deal" a while ago...

I don't exactly know the rule,if there is one, but if you voluntarly sign off an AM station somewhere, you have that option to re-establish that station somewhere else, in a different town with a new frequency. Somehow, this concession allowed getting rid of a frequency to allow other to upgrade (or yourself for that matter), then using the credit to establish a station somewhere else...

clear channel did it a lot, and tried with the 50k move to Solon, that got squashed.

2nd question, Once o frequency is silent, it's removed, and not allowed to return in that location... I don't think it could be directly replaced even in the first situation, but the space/contour that is available would be taken in consideration and used for new stations, in the first paragraph.

So, if an AM station was deleted in Hamilton on 1020, it could not ever be brought back in Hamilton, although it could be brought back as a Dry Ridge station, that just happened to cover Cincinnati, and possibly Hamilton.

Strange situations, but it hppens fairly often now.

 

[w9wi]

I don't exactly know the rule,if there is one, but if you voluntarly sign off an AM station somewhere, you have that option to re-establish that station somewhere else, in a different town with a new frequency. Somehow, this concession allowed getting rid of a frequency to allow other to upgrade (or yourself for that matter), then using the credit to establish a station somewhere else...

...

2nd question, Once o frequency is silent, it's removed, and not allowed to return in that location... I don't think it could be directly replaced even in the first situation, but the space/contour that is available would be taken in consideration and used for new stations, in the first paragraph.

I'm not aware of any rule like that.

What I understand to be going on... are "major changes" to the station's license.

If KELE-1360 loses the lease on the land under the tower, it can of course file to move a half-mile down the road and maybe increase power to 2kw if they wish. As long as no interference results, it's routinely granted as a "minor change".

If they were to decide their coverage would improve by changing frequency to 1180, they could file to do that. It now becomes a "major change" (they have to compete with any other station that wants to move to 1180, or any existing station on 1180 that may wish to increase power) but if they win the resulting auction - or no other station files a mutually-exclusive application - then again the frequency change is routinely granted.

There is no limit, however, to how far down the road the station may move. 1/2 mile, 650 miles, it doesn't matter. As long as no interference would be caused at the new site/frequency, no problem. (there is some threshold distance at which it becomes a major change, even if the frequency doesn't change. I want to say it becomes a major change if the station will no longer provide a "city-grade" signal to the original city. But could easily be wrong about that.)

Since auctions are involved, the FCC only accepts major change applications in "filing windows". These windows aren't open very often. There was one what, 18 months ago?, and they're now sorting out all the resulting applications. If you look at my blog (http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com) you'll see a pile of these - mostly grants (and denials) of completely new stations but also quite a few major changes.

Just last week, a station was granted a move from southeast Oklahoma to a Tulsa suburb in the northeast part of the state; with it they move from 1110 to 1120. But this kind of thing is hardly new: at one time, KYW Philadelphia was in Chicago.

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I don't know of any requirement that the old frequency be permanently removed. However, any new station thus created must meet current interference protection rules - it's no longer "grandfathered" into any looser past rules. The FCC no longer grants new Class D stations, so if the old station only operated during the day it may be impossible to get enough night power to get Class B status. Without that status, a new station cannot be granted.

 

[PROjammer]

check this out from the WAOL FM app to move their tower

Exhibit 1
Description: PURPOSE

THIS AMENDMENT IS BEING FILED TO INFORM THE FCC THAT THE APPLICATION TO CHANGE THE COMMUNITY OF LICENSE OF STATION KELE(AM) FROM MOUNTAIN GROVE, MISSOURI TO RIPLEY, OHIO WAS GRANTED ON JULY 9, 2007 (BMJP-20051031AFI). THE MOVE OF KELE TO RIPLEY WILL INSURE THAT RIPLEY RETAINS LOCAL SERVICE WHEN THE INSTANT APPLICATION IS GRANTED TO CHANGE THE COMMUNITY OF LICENSE OF STATION WAOL(FM) FROM RIPLEY TO AMELIA, OHIO.

FIRST BROADCASTING CAPITAL PARTNERS, LLC ('FIRST BROADCASTING'), THE LICENSEE OF WAOL, HAS ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE KELE FROM QUORUM RADIO PARTNERS, INC. THE PARTIES WILL BE FILING AN ASSIGNMENT APPLICATION SHORTLY. FIRST BROADCASTING CERTIFIES THAT, ONCE THE INSTANT APPLICATION IS GRANTED, IT WILL NOT COMMENCE OPERATION OF WAOL AT AMELIA UNTIL IT HAS FIRST COMMENCED OPERATION OF KELE AT RIPLEY.

 

[hipporadio]

Given the minimal opportunities afforded by the FCC’s limited “filing window” policy – it looks like that “equity bank” a.k.a. First Broadcasting was thinking WAAAY ahead... There must be a radio geek hiding on some floor of their building.

I’m still mildly-puzzled over how even a demure use of 1180 can exist within 1160 WDJO’s primary daytime lobe. I recall the FCC tightening the adjacent-channel AM protection requirements back in the 90s with the intention of lowering future interference. I had a station whose wings were clipped [slightly] during an upgrade procedure due to this. One would think the WDJO folks [lease withstanding] would be keeping tabs on this to protect their interest. I'd ponder that 1160 might be a fair factor – and possibly 1190 [WOWO] also ???

 

[exradio]

The biggest problem for 1180 in Ripley isn't a 5000 watt station 45 miles away on 1160. It's a 50,000 watt station 450 miles away in Rochester NY on 1180. During the winter it'll demolish this daytime station's signal during morning drive, and anytime around sunrise or sunset. And if daytime stations can't make much money in bigger cities, they'll make that much less in that low-population area, which has both local (Maysville) and regional (Cincinnati) competition.

I haven't checked all the facts, but I'm guessing the purpose of this station is to allow the people involved to remove an FM signal from Ripley, while telling the FCC they are not cutting local service because of this wonderful new AM station that's coming in. The price of building an AM station that fails is nothing compared to the gains from moving an FM signal into the Cincinnati market. Look how much Radio One paid to bring WIFE in from Connersville as the new Mojo.