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nate
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another poster on another board posted that Mike Kinney (Market Manager for CC Cinci) was heading to Cleveland.
Can anyone confirm this?
Can anyone confirm this?
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bigwoody
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> another poster on another board posted that Mike Kinney
> (Market Manager for CC Cinci) was heading to Cleveland.
>
> Can anyone confirm this?
>
That's essentially a lateral move, marketwise. Cleveland is #25 and Cinci #26. CC Cleveland MAY be above in revenue, but if it is it's not by much. <P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
> (Market Manager for CC Cinci) was heading to Cleveland.
>
> Can anyone confirm this?
>
That's essentially a lateral move, marketwise. Cleveland is #25 and Cinci #26. CC Cleveland MAY be above in revenue, but if it is it's not by much. <P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
> That's essentially a lateral move, marketwise. Cleveland is
> #25 and Cinci #26. CC Cleveland MAY be above in revenue, but
> if it is it's not by much.
If we're being picky, Cincinnati was overtaken by Sacramento a year ago, and just got bumped again by Riverside-San Bernardino. So it's now #28.
> #25 and Cinci #26. CC Cleveland MAY be above in revenue, but
> if it is it's not by much.
If we're being picky, Cincinnati was overtaken by Sacramento a year ago, and just got bumped again by Riverside-San Bernardino. So it's now #28.
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bigwoody
Guest
> > That's essentially a lateral move, marketwise. Cleveland
> is
> > #25 and Cinci #26. CC Cleveland MAY be above in revenue,
> but
> > if it is it's not by much.
>
> If we're being picky, Cincinnati was overtaken by Sacramento
> a year ago, and just got bumped again by Riverside-San
> Bernardino. So it's now #28.
>
R&R's site lists it at #27
www.radioandrecords.com
It doesn't really matter. 2-3 slots still makes it a lateral move. Must be other incentives.<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
> is
> > #25 and Cinci #26. CC Cleveland MAY be above in revenue,
> but
> > if it is it's not by much.
>
> If we're being picky, Cincinnati was overtaken by Sacramento
> a year ago, and just got bumped again by Riverside-San
> Bernardino. So it's now #28.
>
R&R's site lists it at #27
www.radioandrecords.com
It doesn't really matter. 2-3 slots still makes it a lateral move. Must be other incentives.<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
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scoob
Guest
Check Arbitron's site - it will be #28 as of the Winter Book.
> > > That's essentially a lateral move, marketwise. Cleveland
>
> > is
> > > #25 and Cinci #26. CC Cleveland MAY be above in revenue,
>
> > but
> > > if it is it's not by much.
> >
> > If we're being picky, Cincinnati was overtaken by
> Sacramento
> > a year ago, and just got bumped again by Riverside-San
> > Bernardino. So it's now #28.
> >
>
>
> R&R's site lists it at #27
>
> www.radioandrecords.com
>
> It doesn't really matter. 2-3 slots still makes it a lateral
> move. Must be other incentives.
>
> > > That's essentially a lateral move, marketwise. Cleveland
>
> > is
> > > #25 and Cinci #26. CC Cleveland MAY be above in revenue,
>
> > but
> > > if it is it's not by much.
> >
> > If we're being picky, Cincinnati was overtaken by
> Sacramento
> > a year ago, and just got bumped again by Riverside-San
> > Bernardino. So it's now #28.
> >
>
>
> R&R's site lists it at #27
>
> www.radioandrecords.com
>
> It doesn't really matter. 2-3 slots still makes it a lateral
> move. Must be other incentives.
>
> > another poster on another board posted that Mike Kinney
> > (Market Manager for CC Cinci) was heading to Cleveland.
> >
> > Can anyone confirm this?
> >
>
> That's essentially a lateral move, marketwise. Cleveland is
> #25 and Cinci #26. CC Cleveland MAY be above in revenue, but
> if it is it's not by much.
>
Actually Cleveland Clear Channel billed about $59.5 million in 2004 and Cincy billed about $71 million. Although CIncy is smaller, the market outbills Cleveland by about $10 million. In addition, WLW way outperforms WTAM in revenue. More then 2 to 1.
> > (Market Manager for CC Cinci) was heading to Cleveland.
> >
> > Can anyone confirm this?
> >
>
> That's essentially a lateral move, marketwise. Cleveland is
> #25 and Cinci #26. CC Cleveland MAY be above in revenue, but
> if it is it's not by much.
>
Actually Cleveland Clear Channel billed about $59.5 million in 2004 and Cincy billed about $71 million. Although CIncy is smaller, the market outbills Cleveland by about $10 million. In addition, WLW way outperforms WTAM in revenue. More then 2 to 1.
> Actually Cleveland Clear Channel billed about $59.5 million
> in 2004 and Cincy billed about $71 million. Although CIncy
> is smaller, the market outbills Cleveland by about $10
> million. In addition, WLW way outperforms WTAM in revenue.
> More then 2 to 1.
There is no comparison between WLW and WTAM.
WLW has the #1 morning show (WTAM does not) is more consistantly highly rated in other time periods (unlike WTAM), has strength on the weekends outside of play-by-play (WTAM does not) and is a ratings player in something like 6 different books due to their extremely good groundwave (daytime) signal (WTAM's
groundwave is mediocre at best for a 50k non-directional).
> in 2004 and Cincy billed about $71 million. Although CIncy
> is smaller, the market outbills Cleveland by about $10
> million. In addition, WLW way outperforms WTAM in revenue.
> More then 2 to 1.
There is no comparison between WLW and WTAM.
WLW has the #1 morning show (WTAM does not) is more consistantly highly rated in other time periods (unlike WTAM), has strength on the weekends outside of play-by-play (WTAM does not) and is a ratings player in something like 6 different books due to their extremely good groundwave (daytime) signal (WTAM's
groundwave is mediocre at best for a 50k non-directional).
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nate81
Guest
> > Actually Cleveland Clear Channel billed about $59.5
> million
> > in 2004 and Cincy billed about $71 million. Although CIncy
>
> > is smaller, the market outbills Cleveland by about $10
> > million. In addition, WLW way outperforms WTAM in revenue.
>
> > More then 2 to 1.
>
> There is no comparison between WLW and WTAM.
>
> WLW has the #1 morning show (WTAM does not) is more
> consistantly highly rated in other time periods (unlike
> WTAM), has strength on the weekends outside of play-by-play
> (WTAM does not) and is a ratings player in something like 6
> different books due to their extremely good groundwave
> (daytime) signal (WTAM's
> groundwave is mediocre at best for a 50k non-directional).
Plus WLW virtually has an all locally-based lineup. (I count "The Truckin' Bozo" and his successors, who originate from WLW's studios, as "local" in this respect.)
WTAM? Mornings, you've got a Cincy transplant (Wills) who ISN'T a talk host Just interviews, traffic and weather, and commercials.
Middays are the low-rated (!) Springer and Rush. The latter is understandable.
Afternoons are hosted by an oafish former sports talk show caller, who just lost his female co-host, a former elementary school teacher, to a budget cut. (Not that it was a bad thing...)
Evenings are hosted by Kevin Keane, a shill for all the teams that WTAM carries PBP for.
From 10PM on, it's George Norry. Yippie.
WTAM cannot even compare to WJR, or WTVN, for that manner.
> million
> > in 2004 and Cincy billed about $71 million. Although CIncy
>
> > is smaller, the market outbills Cleveland by about $10
> > million. In addition, WLW way outperforms WTAM in revenue.
>
> > More then 2 to 1.
>
> There is no comparison between WLW and WTAM.
>
> WLW has the #1 morning show (WTAM does not) is more
> consistantly highly rated in other time periods (unlike
> WTAM), has strength on the weekends outside of play-by-play
> (WTAM does not) and is a ratings player in something like 6
> different books due to their extremely good groundwave
> (daytime) signal (WTAM's
> groundwave is mediocre at best for a 50k non-directional).
Plus WLW virtually has an all locally-based lineup. (I count "The Truckin' Bozo" and his successors, who originate from WLW's studios, as "local" in this respect.)
WTAM? Mornings, you've got a Cincy transplant (Wills) who ISN'T a talk host Just interviews, traffic and weather, and commercials.
Middays are the low-rated (!) Springer and Rush. The latter is understandable.
Afternoons are hosted by an oafish former sports talk show caller, who just lost his female co-host, a former elementary school teacher, to a budget cut. (Not that it was a bad thing...)
Evenings are hosted by Kevin Keane, a shill for all the teams that WTAM carries PBP for.
From 10PM on, it's George Norry. Yippie.
WTAM cannot even compare to WJR, or WTVN, for that manner.
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nate
Guest
> WTAM cannot even compare to WJR, or WTVN, for that manner.
WTVN is not as good without Steve Boom-Boom Cannon.
WTVN is not as good without Steve Boom-Boom Cannon.
> Plus WLW virtually has an all locally-based lineup. (I count
> "The Truckin' Bozo" and his successors, who originate from
> WLW's studios, as "local" in this respect.)
Indeed.
> WTAM? Mornings, you've got a Cincy transplant (Wills) who
> ISN'T a talk host Just interviews, traffic and weather, and
> commercials.
What, should every talk host start and stay in the market he's from?
> From 10PM on, it's George Norry. Yippie.
Actually, your friend Keane talks til midnight.
> WTAM cannot even compare to WJR, or WTVN, for that manner.
WTVN, which does run Noory at 10pm, was once a great station, but has become as bad as the rest. WJR... a tired midmorning host, failed national afternoon host who practically pitches the show to stations himself during his lunch break, a delayed Sean Hannity, way-delayed Dr. Laura, and a dying trucking show.
> "The Truckin' Bozo" and his successors, who originate from
> WLW's studios, as "local" in this respect.)
Indeed.
> WTAM? Mornings, you've got a Cincy transplant (Wills) who
> ISN'T a talk host Just interviews, traffic and weather, and
> commercials.
What, should every talk host start and stay in the market he's from?
> From 10PM on, it's George Norry. Yippie.
Actually, your friend Keane talks til midnight.
> WTAM cannot even compare to WJR, or WTVN, for that manner.
WTVN, which does run Noory at 10pm, was once a great station, but has become as bad as the rest. WJR... a tired midmorning host, failed national afternoon host who practically pitches the show to stations himself during his lunch break, a delayed Sean Hannity, way-delayed Dr. Laura, and a dying trucking show.
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JohnnyMorganWXJX
Guest
> > From 10PM on, it's George Norry. Yippie.
>
> Actually, your friend Keane talks til midnight.
On game nights. Sometimes, after a Tribe game he'll go to 1am.
On non-game nights, Keane's 7p-10p, maybe 11pm if you're lucky.
It's something I never understood--why C2C at 10pm? The wackos are still seancing then...
>
> Actually, your friend Keane talks til midnight.
On game nights. Sometimes, after a Tribe game he'll go to 1am.
On non-game nights, Keane's 7p-10p, maybe 11pm if you're lucky.
It's something I never understood--why C2C at 10pm? The wackos are still seancing then...
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