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New calls for KWEY-FM 97.3
- Thread starter Kent
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That's odd, if true. Why tip your hand? When KZBS flipped to Kiss, for instance, they applied the day of the flip, and kept IDing as usual at the top of the hour until the KYIS approval went through about a month later. I guess it could be a fakeout, though; what's the fee for that, $50 or so? They could do something else entirely and apply for even newer calls the day of the debut! The FCC would probably frown on that nonsense, though...
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80srocker4life
Guest
> According to the FCC, KWEY-FM 97.3 has applied for calls
> KOJK. Could this mean Oklahoma City is about to get
> Jack'ed?
>
Hmmm not likely with only a 1k signal coming from the KKNG tower it would be a 105.3 type coverage just on the south side<P ID="signature">______________
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> KOJK. Could this mean Oklahoma City is about to get
> Jack'ed?
>
Hmmm not likely with only a 1k signal coming from the KKNG tower it would be a 105.3 type coverage just on the south side<P ID="signature">______________
--THE_Consultant----</P>
> Hmmm not likely with only a 1k signal coming from the KKNG
> tower it would be a 105.3 type coverage just on the south
> side
That thought has crossed my mind. There doesn't seem to be much you could do with that stick and be successful.
However, it also crosses my mind that they would be dealing with ABC instead of SparkNet. SparkNet wouldn't let them put Jack on a class A stick, but ABC doesn't care in the least.
Are there any rumblings around the market as to what will happen there? I don't really see it as the likely home for the Groove, but I guess anything is possible.
> tower it would be a 105.3 type coverage just on the south
> side
That thought has crossed my mind. There doesn't seem to be much you could do with that stick and be successful.
However, it also crosses my mind that they would be dealing with ABC instead of SparkNet. SparkNet wouldn't let them put Jack on a class A stick, but ABC doesn't care in the least.
Are there any rumblings around the market as to what will happen there? I don't really see it as the likely home for the Groove, but I guess anything is possible.
> That's odd, if true. Why tip your hand? When KZBS flipped
> to Kiss, for instance, they applied the day of the flip, and
> kept IDing as usual at the top of the hour until the KYIS
> approval went through about a month later. I guess it could
> be a fakeout, though; what's the fee for that, $50 or so?
> They could do something else entirely and apply for even
> newer calls the day of the debut! The FCC would probably
> frown on that nonsense, though...
KOJK, the Jack format was what I thought when I saw that.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by X-Man on 12/23/05 09:59 AM.</FONT></P>
> to Kiss, for instance, they applied the day of the flip, and
> kept IDing as usual at the top of the hour until the KYIS
> approval went through about a month later. I guess it could
> be a fakeout, though; what's the fee for that, $50 or so?
> They could do something else entirely and apply for even
> newer calls the day of the debut! The FCC would probably
> frown on that nonsense, though...
KOJK, the Jack format was what I thought when I saw that.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by X-Man on 12/23/05 09:59 AM.</FONT></P>
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punkrawkheaven
Guest
Hopefully I got the scoop!!!
I know the frequence was sold to Tyler Media from Wright Wradio. As far as the format, I'm not sure. Your guess is as good as mine.
But as for the Wright Wradio stuff
95.5 Now becomes Coyote 95.5 (which is Country by the way www.kwey.com) and all the other stations still remain the same KCDL 99.3 is still the Zoo, and some other spanish station.
Hopefully I provided some insight/
Merry X-mas
Punk
> According to the FCC, KWEY-FM 97.3 has applied for calls
> KOJK. Could this mean Oklahoma City is about to get
> Jack'ed?
>
I know the frequence was sold to Tyler Media from Wright Wradio. As far as the format, I'm not sure. Your guess is as good as mine.
But as for the Wright Wradio stuff
95.5 Now becomes Coyote 95.5 (which is Country by the way www.kwey.com) and all the other stations still remain the same KCDL 99.3 is still the Zoo, and some other spanish station.
Hopefully I provided some insight/
Merry X-mas
Punk
> According to the FCC, KWEY-FM 97.3 has applied for calls
> KOJK. Could this mean Oklahoma City is about to get
> Jack'ed?
>
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THEInsultant
Guest
> > That's odd, if true. Why tip your hand? When KZBS
> flipped
> > to Kiss, for instance, they applied the day of the flip,
> and
> > kept IDing as usual at the top of the hour until the KYIS
> > approval went through about a month later. I guess it
> could
> > be a fakeout, though; what's the fee for that, $50 or so?
>
> > They could do something else entirely and apply for even
> > newer calls the day of the debut! The FCC would probably
> > frown on that nonsense, though...
>
> KOJK, the Jack format was what I thought when I saw that.
>
KOJK.. should have been KJOKe.
1,000 watts of power.. hmmm.. I've got a hairdryer that draws more juice than that! WTF? Two words for Tyler Broadcasting: WHY BOTHER?!
I wish them well on the Jack format or whatever they want to run on that stick. With the coverage it will have, truthfully, they better find a VERY unique format that super-serves their tiny coverage area. How about Real Oldies, Americana, or possibly putting the old country on that stick since KKNG isn't doing it anymore? All I can say is good luck. They will need it.
<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
> flipped
> > to Kiss, for instance, they applied the day of the flip,
> and
> > kept IDing as usual at the top of the hour until the KYIS
> > approval went through about a month later. I guess it
> could
> > be a fakeout, though; what's the fee for that, $50 or so?
>
> > They could do something else entirely and apply for even
> > newer calls the day of the debut! The FCC would probably
> > frown on that nonsense, though...
>
> KOJK, the Jack format was what I thought when I saw that.
>
KOJK.. should have been KJOKe.
1,000 watts of power.. hmmm.. I've got a hairdryer that draws more juice than that! WTF? Two words for Tyler Broadcasting: WHY BOTHER?!
I wish them well on the Jack format or whatever they want to run on that stick. With the coverage it will have, truthfully, they better find a VERY unique format that super-serves their tiny coverage area. How about Real Oldies, Americana, or possibly putting the old country on that stick since KKNG isn't doing it anymore? All I can say is good luck. They will need it.
<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
> I know the frequence was sold to Tyler Media from Wright
> Wradio. As far as the format, I'm not sure. Your guess is
> as good as mine.
You're correct that 97.3 was sold to Tyler Media. I don't think anyone knows what the format will be, except, maybe, for the Tylers. Jack came to mind when I saw the requested call letters, but that doesn't necessarily mean much.
> But as for the Wright Wradio stuff
> 95.5 Now becomes Coyote 95.5 (which is Country by the way
> www.kwey.com) and all the other stations still remain the
> same KCDL 99.3 is still the Zoo, and some other spanish
> station.
So, I guess this means Hot Mix 95.5 goes away? Kind of a shame since that was one of the better small market stations I listened to on my way to Albuquerque from my home near St Louis this past summer. However, I think we all knew the Coyote Country format wasn't going to go away.
> Wradio. As far as the format, I'm not sure. Your guess is
> as good as mine.
You're correct that 97.3 was sold to Tyler Media. I don't think anyone knows what the format will be, except, maybe, for the Tylers. Jack came to mind when I saw the requested call letters, but that doesn't necessarily mean much.
> But as for the Wright Wradio stuff
> 95.5 Now becomes Coyote 95.5 (which is Country by the way
> www.kwey.com) and all the other stations still remain the
> same KCDL 99.3 is still the Zoo, and some other spanish
> station.
So, I guess this means Hot Mix 95.5 goes away? Kind of a shame since that was one of the better small market stations I listened to on my way to Albuquerque from my home near St Louis this past summer. However, I think we all knew the Coyote Country format wasn't going to go away.
I thought they had a CP to upgrade a coupla watts?
As to why bother--because it can be sold, perhaps? Nobody gives a crap that 100kwers can be heard in Kingfisher and Stillwater and Seminole and Chickasha; national advertisers want the in-town folks, and most of the local advertisers are in town, not out in the boonies. Save KKNG and that golf cart place they're always doing remotes from; since they're sit-chee-ated so far SW of the metro, they do pick up a whole lot more smalltown advertising. I don't hear much of Lawton, though, and they do show there in the ratings--but the focus is OKC. As the ID says: "Newcastle/Oklahoma City".
As to why bother--because it can be sold, perhaps? Nobody gives a crap that 100kwers can be heard in Kingfisher and Stillwater and Seminole and Chickasha; national advertisers want the in-town folks, and most of the local advertisers are in town, not out in the boonies. Save KKNG and that golf cart place they're always doing remotes from; since they're sit-chee-ated so far SW of the metro, they do pick up a whole lot more smalltown advertising. I don't hear much of Lawton, though, and they do show there in the ratings--but the focus is OKC. As the ID says: "Newcastle/Oklahoma City".
I was just browsing the FCC website; who is Nick Radio L.L.C.? Obviously related to the Tylers, judging by all the previous posts. Is Nick Tony or Ty's middle name, or one of their kids? 
Didn't Tyler Media have some other sort of pseudonym when they were trying to move that station in from way down south? (I forget which town). I looked at the coverage map, and you're right, it is rather pitiable. How far north would it go before it would be completely unlistenable? Irrespective, Norman is the 3rd largest city in the state, so that audience is worth something, plus all those new housing additions going up on the south side of town. I was also looking at the Jack website, and you're probably onto something: put up the satellite-fed Jack, and the low overhead would make the puny signal very cost-effective.
Here's what I'm not quite sure of, though--is 97.3 going to still keep broadcasting out of Weatherford, with the CP in Blanchard just allowing it further into the metro? Or is 97.3 going to disappear from out west eventually?
Didn't Tyler Media have some other sort of pseudonym when they were trying to move that station in from way down south? (I forget which town). I looked at the coverage map, and you're right, it is rather pitiable. How far north would it go before it would be completely unlistenable? Irrespective, Norman is the 3rd largest city in the state, so that audience is worth something, plus all those new housing additions going up on the south side of town. I was also looking at the Jack website, and you're probably onto something: put up the satellite-fed Jack, and the low overhead would make the puny signal very cost-effective. Here's what I'm not quite sure of, though--is 97.3 going to still keep broadcasting out of Weatherford, with the CP in Blanchard just allowing it further into the metro? Or is 97.3 going to disappear from out west eventually?
> I was just browsing the FCC website; who is Nick Radio
> L.L.C.? Obviously related to the Tylers, judging by all the
> previous posts. Is Nick Tony or Ty's middle name, or one of
> their kids?
According to the filing for the license transfer, Nick Radio L.L.C. is Ty and Tony Tyler. The Secretary of State lists Ty as the registered agent for Nick Radio L.L.C. However, I can't get any additional information from the SOS without paying for it. Not sure where they got the name from, though they list only themselves as owners according to the FCC files.
> Didn't Tyler Media have some other sort of
> pseudonym when they were trying to move that station in from
> way down south? (I forget which town).
If you're referring to the move-in of KTSH 99.7 from Tishomingo to Tuttle, that was Ralph Tyler's company. I believe he is their father. KOCY 1560 is owned by Oklahoma Land Company LLC, which is also the licensee of KTUZ-TV, and it is Ty and Tony as well according to FCC documents.
> I looked at the
> coverage map, and you're right, it is rather pitiable. How
> far north would it go before it would be completely
> unlistenable?
It looks like it will be broadcasting from the KKNG tower. How far north it will go before becoming completely unlistenable is strictly theoretical at this point. However, the maps I've seen indicate it will put a grade B signal over downtown and south, and one map I saw indicates it would cover Lake Hefner and south with a grade B signal.
> Irrespective, Norman is the 3rd largest city
> in the state, so that audience is worth something, plus all
> those new housing additions going up on the south side of
> town.
Definitely true. The question is how much advertising it will be able to get with just that audience. Oklahoma City businesses might buy it to reach that audience if it has enough listeners in Cleveland County and is cheap enough. I believe they would be able to run Maximizer to prove how many listeners they have in Norman and Moore to justify their rates to advertisers.
> Here's what I'm not quite sure of, though--is 97.3 going to
> still keep broadcasting out of Weatherford, with the CP in
> Blanchard just allowing it further into the metro? Or is
> 97.3 going to disappear from out west eventually?
97.3 Weatherford will disappear completely when 97.3 Blanchard signs on. The allocations are mutually exclusive. However, there might be a way to squeeze a 97.3 or a 97.5 into that general area, though it would have to be further west and/or at a reduced level of power. Of course, if this happens, it would be up for auction to the highest bidder. Also, Citadel has proposed an allotment shuffling that would upgrade KKWD to a C1 at 98.1 and relicense it to The Village (FCC MB Docket 05-136). KATT would be downgraded to a C1 and several other stations will be shifted around to accomodate the change. I believe this was initiated by the pending downgrade of KJMZ 98.1 Lawton to a class A at 97.9 licensed to Cache. However, some of these other shifts may have been proposed as a result of moving 97.3 into Blanchard and downgrading its class; I'm not sure.
> L.L.C.? Obviously related to the Tylers, judging by all the
> previous posts. Is Nick Tony or Ty's middle name, or one of
> their kids?
According to the filing for the license transfer, Nick Radio L.L.C. is Ty and Tony Tyler. The Secretary of State lists Ty as the registered agent for Nick Radio L.L.C. However, I can't get any additional information from the SOS without paying for it. Not sure where they got the name from, though they list only themselves as owners according to the FCC files.
> Didn't Tyler Media have some other sort of
> pseudonym when they were trying to move that station in from
> way down south? (I forget which town).
If you're referring to the move-in of KTSH 99.7 from Tishomingo to Tuttle, that was Ralph Tyler's company. I believe he is their father. KOCY 1560 is owned by Oklahoma Land Company LLC, which is also the licensee of KTUZ-TV, and it is Ty and Tony as well according to FCC documents.
> I looked at the
> coverage map, and you're right, it is rather pitiable. How
> far north would it go before it would be completely
> unlistenable?
It looks like it will be broadcasting from the KKNG tower. How far north it will go before becoming completely unlistenable is strictly theoretical at this point. However, the maps I've seen indicate it will put a grade B signal over downtown and south, and one map I saw indicates it would cover Lake Hefner and south with a grade B signal.
> Irrespective, Norman is the 3rd largest city
> in the state, so that audience is worth something, plus all
> those new housing additions going up on the south side of
> town.
Definitely true. The question is how much advertising it will be able to get with just that audience. Oklahoma City businesses might buy it to reach that audience if it has enough listeners in Cleveland County and is cheap enough. I believe they would be able to run Maximizer to prove how many listeners they have in Norman and Moore to justify their rates to advertisers.
> Here's what I'm not quite sure of, though--is 97.3 going to
> still keep broadcasting out of Weatherford, with the CP in
> Blanchard just allowing it further into the metro? Or is
> 97.3 going to disappear from out west eventually?
97.3 Weatherford will disappear completely when 97.3 Blanchard signs on. The allocations are mutually exclusive. However, there might be a way to squeeze a 97.3 or a 97.5 into that general area, though it would have to be further west and/or at a reduced level of power. Of course, if this happens, it would be up for auction to the highest bidder. Also, Citadel has proposed an allotment shuffling that would upgrade KKWD to a C1 at 98.1 and relicense it to The Village (FCC MB Docket 05-136). KATT would be downgraded to a C1 and several other stations will be shifted around to accomodate the change. I believe this was initiated by the pending downgrade of KJMZ 98.1 Lawton to a class A at 97.9 licensed to Cache. However, some of these other shifts may have been proposed as a result of moving 97.3 into Blanchard and downgrading its class; I'm not sure.
> Also, Citadel has proposed an allotment shuffling that would
> upgrade KKWD to a C1 at 98.1 and relicense it to The Village
> (FCC MB Docket 05-136). KATT would be downgraded to a C1
> and several other stations will be shifted around to
> accomodate the change. I believe this was initiated by the
> pending downgrade of KJMZ 98.1 Lawton to a class A at 97.9
> licensed to Cache. However, some of these other shifts may
> have been proposed as a result of moving 97.3 into Blanchard
> and downgrading its class; I'm not sure.
I saw the FCC document on this. I'm guessing (corrections welcomed) that the KKWD move wouldn't have any particular effect on KWEY/KOJK/whatever it ends up with, since the real problem at 97.3 is being somewhat short-spaced to KQOB at 96.9.
(This would cost the KATT what, about 150 feet of tower height?)
> upgrade KKWD to a C1 at 98.1 and relicense it to The Village
> (FCC MB Docket 05-136). KATT would be downgraded to a C1
> and several other stations will be shifted around to
> accomodate the change. I believe this was initiated by the
> pending downgrade of KJMZ 98.1 Lawton to a class A at 97.9
> licensed to Cache. However, some of these other shifts may
> have been proposed as a result of moving 97.3 into Blanchard
> and downgrading its class; I'm not sure.
I saw the FCC document on this. I'm guessing (corrections welcomed) that the KKWD move wouldn't have any particular effect on KWEY/KOJK/whatever it ends up with, since the real problem at 97.3 is being somewhat short-spaced to KQOB at 96.9.
(This would cost the KATT what, about 150 feet of tower height?)
> I saw the FCC document on this. I'm guessing (corrections
> welcomed) that the KKWD move wouldn't have any particular
> effect on KWEY/KOJK/whatever it ends up with, since the real
> problem at 97.3 is being somewhat short-spaced to KQOB at
> 96.9.
There would be no effect whatsoever on 97.3 Blanchard. As you said, the biggest issue is that 97.3 is about as close to 96.9 as it can legally get. It may not even be a full-class A. I don't think any of the moves involved would block another station at 97.3 or 97.5 in western Oklahoma (though it would have to protect 97.3 Blanchard), but I'm not 100% certain since I don't know for sure what else is being moved. A change like this often leads to a domino effect.
> (This would cost the KATT what, about 150 feet of tower
> height?)
KATT will be affected very little. Its range may be reduced a bit, but it will cover the entire Oklahoma City market just fine. KATT always seemed to be the class C OKC station that got the short end of the stick when it came to range. I used to be able to get KEBC 94.7 and KLTE/KOQL 101.9 with very little problems on any car radio or home stereo when I lived in Tulsa. A decent dipole or outdoor antenna would bring in KKNG/KOMA-FM 92.5, KZBS/KYIS 98.9, KJYO 102.7, KMGL 104.1, KRXO 107.7 and even KROU 105.7. Of course, all of this was prior to a lot of upgrades like 102.3 Sand Springs/Tulsa. However, there was seldomly ever any trace of KATT or KXXY 96.1. Of course, they don't really care about getting a signal into Tulsa, and not enough people in Tulsa listened to KEBC and KLTE/KOQL to ever make marketing there worth their effort.
> welcomed) that the KKWD move wouldn't have any particular
> effect on KWEY/KOJK/whatever it ends up with, since the real
> problem at 97.3 is being somewhat short-spaced to KQOB at
> 96.9.
There would be no effect whatsoever on 97.3 Blanchard. As you said, the biggest issue is that 97.3 is about as close to 96.9 as it can legally get. It may not even be a full-class A. I don't think any of the moves involved would block another station at 97.3 or 97.5 in western Oklahoma (though it would have to protect 97.3 Blanchard), but I'm not 100% certain since I don't know for sure what else is being moved. A change like this often leads to a domino effect.
> (This would cost the KATT what, about 150 feet of tower
> height?)
KATT will be affected very little. Its range may be reduced a bit, but it will cover the entire Oklahoma City market just fine. KATT always seemed to be the class C OKC station that got the short end of the stick when it came to range. I used to be able to get KEBC 94.7 and KLTE/KOQL 101.9 with very little problems on any car radio or home stereo when I lived in Tulsa. A decent dipole or outdoor antenna would bring in KKNG/KOMA-FM 92.5, KZBS/KYIS 98.9, KJYO 102.7, KMGL 104.1, KRXO 107.7 and even KROU 105.7. Of course, all of this was prior to a lot of upgrades like 102.3 Sand Springs/Tulsa. However, there was seldomly ever any trace of KATT or KXXY 96.1. Of course, they don't really care about getting a signal into Tulsa, and not enough people in Tulsa listened to KEBC and KLTE/KOQL to ever make marketing there worth their effort.
So I'm listening to 97.3 tonight, hoping they might be "testing the waters"; but alas and alack, no. What I did hear, though, was the problem: 89.7 The House, the Christian CHR out of Ponca City, has gone amuck with translators! And they of course have one in Guthrie on 97.3, which inevitably is putting the lid on the Blanchard signal. I'm not a big expert (or even a small expert) on translators, so help me out here: under what circumstances does the average entity get one? Do you have to be noncomm or have some other extenuating circumstance, perhaps? How much power does the Guthrie translator have? I guess my broader question is: could an arrangement be worked out between mutually interested parties for them to shut down their translator in favor of broader coverage for KOJK? I can see there's going to be a nice trainwreck right in the middle: if KOJK's signal is good to I-240, and the Guthrie translator is good almost to the Logan County border (per the maps for those sticks), then there's going to be a nice stripe of gibberish right through the north part of the metro. If KOJK has more power, will they be able to overpower further north? Since they also have a translater in OKC (on another frequency), Guthrie really just needs to be for the benefit of the Guthrie audience anyway. I just want to be able to listen to KOJK, if it's any good! I work north of Reno and live north of Britton, so I'm not too optimistic!
Here's just a wild idea: once KKNG or KTUZ go HD, would the FCC let them simulcast KOJK on one of the other stations' side channels, to perhaps get some better coverage?
And finally, here's my other strange happening of the night: amidst all the waves of static on 97.3, I also heard a sweeper which said "930 WKY"--then the Guthrie signal faded back in. What is up with that???
Oops, one more remark: I also saw several other translator apps (not by Tylers) filed in 2003 but apparently unconnsummated. Hearkening back to the first questions, could they snatch up the ones in El Reno and Shawnee? (Doesn't look like the one in El Reno gets out of Canadian County, though).
Here's just a wild idea: once KKNG or KTUZ go HD, would the FCC let them simulcast KOJK on one of the other stations' side channels, to perhaps get some better coverage?
And finally, here's my other strange happening of the night: amidst all the waves of static on 97.3, I also heard a sweeper which said "930 WKY"--then the Guthrie signal faded back in. What is up with that???
Oops, one more remark: I also saw several other translator apps (not by Tylers) filed in 2003 but apparently unconnsummated. Hearkening back to the first questions, could they snatch up the ones in El Reno and Shawnee? (Doesn't look like the one in El Reno gets out of Canadian County, though).
> So I'm listening to 97.3 tonight, hoping they might be
> "testing the waters"; but alas and alack, no. What I did
> hear, though, was the problem: 89.7 The House, the
> Christian CHR out of Ponca City, has gone amuck with
> translators! And they of course have one in Guthrie on
> 97.3, which inevitably is putting the lid on the Blanchard
> signal. I'm not a big expert (or even a small expert) on
> translators, so help me out here: under what circumstances
> does the average entity get one? Do you have to be noncomm
> or have some other extenuating circumstance, perhaps? How
> much power does the Guthrie translator have? I guess my
> broader question is: could an arrangement be worked out
> between mutually interested parties for them to shut down
> their translator in favor of broader coverage for KOJK?
When it comes to translators, any qualified applicant can get one. The rules regarding translators are, however, that a commercial entity cannot operate translators that translate their own stations outside of their primary signal contours. Also, I don't believe translators can carry their own ads; they have to get their money from fees from the station that is being translated. In other words, if Renda had a translator in Oklahoma City, it would have to carry KMGL, KOMA-FM or KRXO. They could not translate KBEZ from Tulsa on it unless they sold it to an outside entity. Translators that are in the commercial band must capture their primary station over the air. Of course, with as tall of an antenna as they have, that's not hard to do. You could probably translate a class C Tulsa station in Oklahoma City or a class C Oklahoma City station in Tulsa relatively easily. I've heard some such translators actually translate a distant station during times of e-skip and tropo because most of them just have an antenna and a quality receiver. Translators in the non-commercial band may capture their signal over the air, via satellite, or pretty much whatever other means they wish. As an example, I was in Albuquerque, NM for a week this past summer. K-Love operates KQLV 105.5 out of Bosque Farms and has a translator at 90.5 (non-commercial band) licensed to Placitas. I flipped on the translator and heard it ID "KLOV Winchester." In other words, even though the translator could have picked up KQLV, it was still getting a satellite feed from the K-Love network. So, 89.7 The House is able to own the translator in Guthrie even though it's out of KJTH's (and KXTH's for that matter) primary signal contour because it is a non-commercial translator, but it must capture KJTH's signal over the air because it's in the commercial band. That's probably pretty easy to do since I had no trouble picking up KJTH in Oklahoma City last April on my car radio. As for what will happen to the translator, my guess is that it will stay around unless it decides to find a new frequency for its own good. Translators are secondary services, which means they can be bumped for a full-power station. However, I believe they are only bumped within the secondary signal contour. In other words, even though the 97.3 translator is relatively close to KOJK, it will probably not be bumped unless it puts enough of a signal into KOJK's grade B contour to interfere with it. I'm not sure how much power the Guthrie translator has, but I want to say the maximum power for a translator is 250 watts. However, don't hold me to that.
> If KOJK has more power, will they be able to
> overpower further north?
Most new FM radios will pick up the stronger of two signals if it receives two signals on the same frequency. However, that is the stronger of two signals as they are received by your antenna. Remember, power is really more of a relative thing than people think. For example, I can get most of the 100,000 watt stations from St Louis at my house. However, I get a stronger reception from the class A joker with a tower three miles from my house. So, the St Louis stations are stronger in terms of power output, but the local joker is stronger at my receiver.
> I just
> want to be able to listen to KOJK, if it's any good! I work
> north of Reno and live north of Britton, so I'm not too
> optimistic!
Depending on what kind of building you work in and how far north of Reno it is, you might be able to hear KOJK at work if you have a good radio. I would not, however, expect to hear it north of Britton. You probably also have plenty of other interference in your direction as there are so many towers along the Britton Road corridor. Also, keep in mind that Tyler tends to stream its stations, and, if it goes to Jack, the people associated with Jack prefer Jack FM stream, though I understand ABC doesn't require it. Also, there are at least two other ABC Jack FM's that stream (including one in my neck of the woods). So, while you wouldn't necessarily hear your local ID's, you'd hear almost exactly the same programming.
> Here's just a wild idea: once KKNG or KTUZ go HD, would the
> FCC let them simulcast KOJK on one of the other stations'
> side channels, to perhaps get some better coverage?
A station may multicast on its digital stream so long as it gets prior permission from the FCC. I understand this is because HD Radio is still technically an experimental service. So, if KKNG or KTUZ went to HD Radio and got permission to multicast on their HD feed, they could air whatever they wanted to, including a simulcast of KOJK. Of course, if KOJK goes to Jack, Tyler might need permission from ABC to air the format on one of its HD feeds.
> And finally, here's my other strange happening of the night:
> amidst all the waves of static on 97.3, I also heard a
> sweeper which said "930 WKY"--then the Guthrie signal faded
> back in. What is up with that???
Where are WKY's towers? If the 97.3 translator is on a WKY tower, you can get this kind of interference. However, I would say a more plausible theory is that you were getting interference from KQOB (or maybe even KYIS or KATT if you live near the tower farm), which was probably cross-promoting something on WKY when you heard it.
> Oops, one more remark: I also saw several other translator
> apps (not by Tylers) filed in 2003 but apparently
> unconnsummated. Hearkening back to the first questions,
> could they snatch up the ones in El Reno and Shawnee?
> (Doesn't look like the one in El Reno gets out of Canadian
> County, though).
If I remember correctly, there was a filing window for translators (you have to file for a translator within a translator filing window at least partly because so many operators file for them) in 2003. I'm not sure any of those translator permits have been granted. I want to say there were over 1,000 applications. As for the translators in El Reno and Shawnee, any qualified licensee could technically get their hands on the translators. However, Tyler could not legally program KOJK on any of them if they owned them as neither El Reno nor Shawnee lie within KOJK's primary signal contour. The translators would have to be owned by someone else for that to happen. Also, at both your work and your home, you would be more likely to pick up KOJK on its primary signal than either of those translators. The El Reno translator should not put a signal into Oklahoma County nor should the Shawnee translator, even on a day with good atmospheric conditions.
> "testing the waters"; but alas and alack, no. What I did
> hear, though, was the problem: 89.7 The House, the
> Christian CHR out of Ponca City, has gone amuck with
> translators! And they of course have one in Guthrie on
> 97.3, which inevitably is putting the lid on the Blanchard
> signal. I'm not a big expert (or even a small expert) on
> translators, so help me out here: under what circumstances
> does the average entity get one? Do you have to be noncomm
> or have some other extenuating circumstance, perhaps? How
> much power does the Guthrie translator have? I guess my
> broader question is: could an arrangement be worked out
> between mutually interested parties for them to shut down
> their translator in favor of broader coverage for KOJK?
When it comes to translators, any qualified applicant can get one. The rules regarding translators are, however, that a commercial entity cannot operate translators that translate their own stations outside of their primary signal contours. Also, I don't believe translators can carry their own ads; they have to get their money from fees from the station that is being translated. In other words, if Renda had a translator in Oklahoma City, it would have to carry KMGL, KOMA-FM or KRXO. They could not translate KBEZ from Tulsa on it unless they sold it to an outside entity. Translators that are in the commercial band must capture their primary station over the air. Of course, with as tall of an antenna as they have, that's not hard to do. You could probably translate a class C Tulsa station in Oklahoma City or a class C Oklahoma City station in Tulsa relatively easily. I've heard some such translators actually translate a distant station during times of e-skip and tropo because most of them just have an antenna and a quality receiver. Translators in the non-commercial band may capture their signal over the air, via satellite, or pretty much whatever other means they wish. As an example, I was in Albuquerque, NM for a week this past summer. K-Love operates KQLV 105.5 out of Bosque Farms and has a translator at 90.5 (non-commercial band) licensed to Placitas. I flipped on the translator and heard it ID "KLOV Winchester." In other words, even though the translator could have picked up KQLV, it was still getting a satellite feed from the K-Love network. So, 89.7 The House is able to own the translator in Guthrie even though it's out of KJTH's (and KXTH's for that matter) primary signal contour because it is a non-commercial translator, but it must capture KJTH's signal over the air because it's in the commercial band. That's probably pretty easy to do since I had no trouble picking up KJTH in Oklahoma City last April on my car radio. As for what will happen to the translator, my guess is that it will stay around unless it decides to find a new frequency for its own good. Translators are secondary services, which means they can be bumped for a full-power station. However, I believe they are only bumped within the secondary signal contour. In other words, even though the 97.3 translator is relatively close to KOJK, it will probably not be bumped unless it puts enough of a signal into KOJK's grade B contour to interfere with it. I'm not sure how much power the Guthrie translator has, but I want to say the maximum power for a translator is 250 watts. However, don't hold me to that.
> If KOJK has more power, will they be able to
> overpower further north?
Most new FM radios will pick up the stronger of two signals if it receives two signals on the same frequency. However, that is the stronger of two signals as they are received by your antenna. Remember, power is really more of a relative thing than people think. For example, I can get most of the 100,000 watt stations from St Louis at my house. However, I get a stronger reception from the class A joker with a tower three miles from my house. So, the St Louis stations are stronger in terms of power output, but the local joker is stronger at my receiver.
> I just
> want to be able to listen to KOJK, if it's any good! I work
> north of Reno and live north of Britton, so I'm not too
> optimistic!
Depending on what kind of building you work in and how far north of Reno it is, you might be able to hear KOJK at work if you have a good radio. I would not, however, expect to hear it north of Britton. You probably also have plenty of other interference in your direction as there are so many towers along the Britton Road corridor. Also, keep in mind that Tyler tends to stream its stations, and, if it goes to Jack, the people associated with Jack prefer Jack FM stream, though I understand ABC doesn't require it. Also, there are at least two other ABC Jack FM's that stream (including one in my neck of the woods). So, while you wouldn't necessarily hear your local ID's, you'd hear almost exactly the same programming.
> Here's just a wild idea: once KKNG or KTUZ go HD, would the
> FCC let them simulcast KOJK on one of the other stations'
> side channels, to perhaps get some better coverage?
A station may multicast on its digital stream so long as it gets prior permission from the FCC. I understand this is because HD Radio is still technically an experimental service. So, if KKNG or KTUZ went to HD Radio and got permission to multicast on their HD feed, they could air whatever they wanted to, including a simulcast of KOJK. Of course, if KOJK goes to Jack, Tyler might need permission from ABC to air the format on one of its HD feeds.
> And finally, here's my other strange happening of the night:
> amidst all the waves of static on 97.3, I also heard a
> sweeper which said "930 WKY"--then the Guthrie signal faded
> back in. What is up with that???
Where are WKY's towers? If the 97.3 translator is on a WKY tower, you can get this kind of interference. However, I would say a more plausible theory is that you were getting interference from KQOB (or maybe even KYIS or KATT if you live near the tower farm), which was probably cross-promoting something on WKY when you heard it.
> Oops, one more remark: I also saw several other translator
> apps (not by Tylers) filed in 2003 but apparently
> unconnsummated. Hearkening back to the first questions,
> could they snatch up the ones in El Reno and Shawnee?
> (Doesn't look like the one in El Reno gets out of Canadian
> County, though).
If I remember correctly, there was a filing window for translators (you have to file for a translator within a translator filing window at least partly because so many operators file for them) in 2003. I'm not sure any of those translator permits have been granted. I want to say there were over 1,000 applications. As for the translators in El Reno and Shawnee, any qualified licensee could technically get their hands on the translators. However, Tyler could not legally program KOJK on any of them if they owned them as neither El Reno nor Shawnee lie within KOJK's primary signal contour. The translators would have to be owned by someone else for that to happen. Also, at both your work and your home, you would be more likely to pick up KOJK on its primary signal than either of those translators. The El Reno translator should not put a signal into Oklahoma County nor should the Shawnee translator, even on a day with good atmospheric conditions.
> Depending on what kind of building you work in and how far
> north of Reno it is, you might be able to hear KOJK at work
> if you have a good radio. I would not, however, expect to
> hear it north of Britton. You probably also have plenty of
> other interference in your direction as there are so many
> towers along the Britton Road corridor. Also, keep in mind
> that Tyler tends to stream its stations, and, if it goes to
> Jack, the people associated with Jack prefer Jack FM stream,
> though I understand ABC doesn't require it. Also, there are
> at least two other ABC Jack FM's that stream (including one
> in my neck of the woods). So, while you wouldn't
> necessarily hear your local ID's, you'd hear almost exactly
> the same programming.
While it might make more financial sense to take on the Jack feed, in light of the puny signal, I hope they go local instead; after being the standard-bearer of Country Oldies, and keeping up live and local and familiar personalities on KKNG, it would be a shame if they didn't put their kind talents into another format, and continue to buck the corporate conglomerate mindset. I don't know how local La Z is, since I don't speak Spanish; but of course Tyler does have a precedent in the Radio Disney feed. (On the other hand, you wouldn't expect them to do a local kid-centric station).
And let's just say they don't license Jack, but do a jackish station. Does ABC have any standing to C&D them from having "appropriate" call letters and similar programming without coming to the party and getting their blessing? Who was it, Clear Channel who tried to sue stations who'd had the Kiss moniker before they servicemarked it or something? But of course, it may all just be a ruse; KQSR never did hatch a nickname from their calls, and KOMA certainly has no desire to make people think of a medical condition. So KOJK may mean nuttin' at all; it does roll off the tongue nicely, though! Actually, it's also KJ backwards...hmmmmm.
> Where are WKY's towers? If the 97.3 translator is on a WKY
> tower, you can get this kind of interference. However, I
> would say a more plausible theory is that you were getting
> interference from KQOB (or maybe even KYIS or KATT if you
> live near the tower farm), which was probably
> cross-promoting something on WKY when you heard it.
Can a Guthrie translator be in Oklahoma County? I've got to think WKY is in or near town. But like you said, maybe it's cross-promotion. Again, I'm no engineering expert, but it seemed (BLEEP) to me that an AM signal could manage to become audible on an FM frequency. But if it is your same-tower theory, I was about 5 miles away from the tower farm, if that's where WKY is; and I'll bet it is, since WKY itself used to be on Britton (and perhaps still is, I don't know).
> north of Reno it is, you might be able to hear KOJK at work
> if you have a good radio. I would not, however, expect to
> hear it north of Britton. You probably also have plenty of
> other interference in your direction as there are so many
> towers along the Britton Road corridor. Also, keep in mind
> that Tyler tends to stream its stations, and, if it goes to
> Jack, the people associated with Jack prefer Jack FM stream,
> though I understand ABC doesn't require it. Also, there are
> at least two other ABC Jack FM's that stream (including one
> in my neck of the woods). So, while you wouldn't
> necessarily hear your local ID's, you'd hear almost exactly
> the same programming.
While it might make more financial sense to take on the Jack feed, in light of the puny signal, I hope they go local instead; after being the standard-bearer of Country Oldies, and keeping up live and local and familiar personalities on KKNG, it would be a shame if they didn't put their kind talents into another format, and continue to buck the corporate conglomerate mindset. I don't know how local La Z is, since I don't speak Spanish; but of course Tyler does have a precedent in the Radio Disney feed. (On the other hand, you wouldn't expect them to do a local kid-centric station).
And let's just say they don't license Jack, but do a jackish station. Does ABC have any standing to C&D them from having "appropriate" call letters and similar programming without coming to the party and getting their blessing? Who was it, Clear Channel who tried to sue stations who'd had the Kiss moniker before they servicemarked it or something? But of course, it may all just be a ruse; KQSR never did hatch a nickname from their calls, and KOMA certainly has no desire to make people think of a medical condition. So KOJK may mean nuttin' at all; it does roll off the tongue nicely, though! Actually, it's also KJ backwards...hmmmmm.
> Where are WKY's towers? If the 97.3 translator is on a WKY
> tower, you can get this kind of interference. However, I
> would say a more plausible theory is that you were getting
> interference from KQOB (or maybe even KYIS or KATT if you
> live near the tower farm), which was probably
> cross-promoting something on WKY when you heard it.
Can a Guthrie translator be in Oklahoma County? I've got to think WKY is in or near town. But like you said, maybe it's cross-promotion. Again, I'm no engineering expert, but it seemed (BLEEP) to me that an AM signal could manage to become audible on an FM frequency. But if it is your same-tower theory, I was about 5 miles away from the tower farm, if that's where WKY is; and I'll bet it is, since WKY itself used to be on Britton (and perhaps still is, I don't know).
T
THEInsultant
Guest
> > Depending on what kind of building you work in and how far
>
> > north of Reno it is, you might be able to hear KOJK at
> work
> > if you have a good radio. I would not, however, expect to
>
> > hear it north of Britton. You probably also have plenty
> of
> > other interference in your direction as there are so many
> > towers along the Britton Road corridor. Also, keep in
> mind
> > that Tyler tends to stream its stations, and, if it goes
> to
> > Jack, the people associated with Jack prefer Jack FM
> stream,
> > though I understand ABC doesn't require it. Also, there
> are
> > at least two other ABC Jack FM's that stream (including
> one
> > in my neck of the woods). So, while you wouldn't
> > necessarily hear your local ID's, you'd hear almost
> exactly
> > the same programming.
>
> While it might make more financial sense to take on the Jack
> feed, in light of the puny signal, I hope they go local
> instead; after being the standard-bearer of Country Oldies,
> and keeping up live and local and familiar personalities on
> KKNG, it would be a shame if they didn't put their kind
> talents into another format, and continue to buck the
> corporate conglomerate mindset. I don't know how local La Z
> is, since I don't speak Spanish; but of course Tyler does
> have a precedent in the Radio Disney feed. (On the other
> hand, you wouldn't expect them to do a local kid-centric
> station).
>
> And let's just say they don't license Jack, but do a jackish
> station. Does ABC have any standing to C&D them from having
> "appropriate" call letters and similar programming without
> coming to the party and getting their blessing? Who was it,
> Clear Channel who tried to sue stations who'd had the Kiss
> moniker before they servicemarked it or something? But of
> course, it may all just be a ruse; KQSR never did hatch a
> nickname from their calls, and KOMA certainly has no desire
> to make people think of a medical condition. So KOJK may
> mean nuttin' at all; it does roll off the tongue nicely,
> though! Actually, it's also KJ backwards...hmmmmm.
>
> > Where are WKY's towers? If the 97.3 translator is on a
> WKY
> > tower, you can get this kind of interference. However, I
> > would say a more plausible theory is that you were getting
>
> > interference from KQOB (or maybe even KYIS or KATT if you
> > live near the tower farm), which was probably
> > cross-promoting something on WKY when you heard it.
>
> Can a Guthrie translator be in Oklahoma County? I've got to
> think WKY is in or near town. But like you said, maybe it's
> cross-promotion. Again, I'm no engineering expert, but it
> seemed (BLEEP) to me that an AM signal could manage to
> become audible on an FM frequency. But if it is your
> same-tower theory, I was about 5 miles away from the tower
> farm, if that's where WKY is; and I'll bet it is, since WKY
> itself used to be on Britton (and perhaps still is, I don't
> know).
>
Although I'd love to see them do something better with it, look for the Tylers to put automated/sat crap on this new channel. They are in a finacial state right now, thanks to the channel 30 mess, to not want to risk much of anything to put it on the air right now.
I personally would LOVE to see them do 50s-60s oldies. Several of their talents could voice-track pretty decent shows with a minimal cost of operation by re-using the talent pool there.
Oh well.. Here comes the ABC Jacked-up feed. I'm going to put aluminum foil on my antenna to hear this? (jokingly) LOL! Nope!
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>
> > north of Reno it is, you might be able to hear KOJK at
> work
> > if you have a good radio. I would not, however, expect to
>
> > hear it north of Britton. You probably also have plenty
> of
> > other interference in your direction as there are so many
> > towers along the Britton Road corridor. Also, keep in
> mind
> > that Tyler tends to stream its stations, and, if it goes
> to
> > Jack, the people associated with Jack prefer Jack FM
> stream,
> > though I understand ABC doesn't require it. Also, there
> are
> > at least two other ABC Jack FM's that stream (including
> one
> > in my neck of the woods). So, while you wouldn't
> > necessarily hear your local ID's, you'd hear almost
> exactly
> > the same programming.
>
> While it might make more financial sense to take on the Jack
> feed, in light of the puny signal, I hope they go local
> instead; after being the standard-bearer of Country Oldies,
> and keeping up live and local and familiar personalities on
> KKNG, it would be a shame if they didn't put their kind
> talents into another format, and continue to buck the
> corporate conglomerate mindset. I don't know how local La Z
> is, since I don't speak Spanish; but of course Tyler does
> have a precedent in the Radio Disney feed. (On the other
> hand, you wouldn't expect them to do a local kid-centric
> station).
>
> And let's just say they don't license Jack, but do a jackish
> station. Does ABC have any standing to C&D them from having
> "appropriate" call letters and similar programming without
> coming to the party and getting their blessing? Who was it,
> Clear Channel who tried to sue stations who'd had the Kiss
> moniker before they servicemarked it or something? But of
> course, it may all just be a ruse; KQSR never did hatch a
> nickname from their calls, and KOMA certainly has no desire
> to make people think of a medical condition. So KOJK may
> mean nuttin' at all; it does roll off the tongue nicely,
> though! Actually, it's also KJ backwards...hmmmmm.
>
> > Where are WKY's towers? If the 97.3 translator is on a
> WKY
> > tower, you can get this kind of interference. However, I
> > would say a more plausible theory is that you were getting
>
> > interference from KQOB (or maybe even KYIS or KATT if you
> > live near the tower farm), which was probably
> > cross-promoting something on WKY when you heard it.
>
> Can a Guthrie translator be in Oklahoma County? I've got to
> think WKY is in or near town. But like you said, maybe it's
> cross-promotion. Again, I'm no engineering expert, but it
> seemed (BLEEP) to me that an AM signal could manage to
> become audible on an FM frequency. But if it is your
> same-tower theory, I was about 5 miles away from the tower
> farm, if that's where WKY is; and I'll bet it is, since WKY
> itself used to be on Britton (and perhaps still is, I don't
> know).
>
Although I'd love to see them do something better with it, look for the Tylers to put automated/sat crap on this new channel. They are in a finacial state right now, thanks to the channel 30 mess, to not want to risk much of anything to put it on the air right now.
I personally would LOVE to see them do 50s-60s oldies. Several of their talents could voice-track pretty decent shows with a minimal cost of operation by re-using the talent pool there.
Oh well.. Here comes the ABC Jacked-up feed. I'm going to put aluminum foil on my antenna to hear this? (jokingly) LOL! Nope!
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D
damagedpupil
Guest
> > That's odd, if true. Why tip your hand? When KZBS
> flipped
> > to Kiss, for instance, they applied the day of the flip,
> and
> > kept IDing as usual at the top of the hour until the KYIS
> > approval went through about a month later. I guess it
> could
> > be a fakeout, though; what's the fee for that, $50 or so?
>
> > They could do something else entirely and apply for even
> > newer calls the day of the debut! The FCC would probably
> > frown on that nonsense, though...
>
> KOJK, the Jack format was what I thought when I saw that.
>
Why does it have to be Jack? Maybe it will be Jake the 1000 watt sh*t kicker playing Jason Boland, Cross Canadian Ragweed and various other locals.
Really though, wouldn't it make sense to move the KTUZ format to 97.3 and flip 106.7 to something else considering coverage?
> flipped
> > to Kiss, for instance, they applied the day of the flip,
> and
> > kept IDing as usual at the top of the hour until the KYIS
> > approval went through about a month later. I guess it
> could
> > be a fakeout, though; what's the fee for that, $50 or so?
>
> > They could do something else entirely and apply for even
> > newer calls the day of the debut! The FCC would probably
> > frown on that nonsense, though...
>
> KOJK, the Jack format was what I thought when I saw that.
>
Why does it have to be Jack? Maybe it will be Jake the 1000 watt sh*t kicker playing Jason Boland, Cross Canadian Ragweed and various other locals.
Really though, wouldn't it make sense to move the KTUZ format to 97.3 and flip 106.7 to something else considering coverage?
> While it might make more financial sense to take on the Jack
> feed, in light of the puny signal, I hope they go local
> instead; after being the standard-bearer of Country Oldies,
> and keeping up live and local and familiar personalities on
> KKNG, it would be a shame if they didn't put their kind
> talents into another format, and continue to buck the
> corporate conglomerate mindset. I don't know how local La Z
> is, since I don't speak Spanish; but of course Tyler does
> have a precedent in the Radio Disney feed. (On the other
> hand, you wouldn't expect them to do a local kid-centric
> station).
I agree that it would be nice of Tyler did a local format. As for Z, I don't know how much of it is local, but I think some of it is, or else it uses a good voicetracking service. I know Bustos Media lists it as a client, but that doesn't mean it airs all Bustos programming.
> And let's just say they don't license Jack, but do a jackish
> station. Does ABC have any standing to C&D them from having
> "appropriate" call letters and similar programming without
> coming to the party and getting their blessing?
Actually, SparkNet holds the trademark to Jack, and they license it to ABC for distribution outside of the top-40 markets. The "Jack" moniker and "Playing What We Want" are trademarked by SparkNet, and they have been very aggressive about protecting it. However, there have been stations called "Zack," and I have to think you could do "Jake," too. SparkNet did, however, sue Bonneville for using the slogan "70's, 80's and Whatever We Want" on a station in Phoenix and another in St Louis saying it was too similar to the "Playing What We Want" slogan, but Bonneville won that one in court, at least on the first go around. They also didn't like a Clear Channel station in Iowa using "Playing Whatever the Hell We Want." I don't know about the outcome of that one, though I know they were at least considering a trademark infringement lawsuit.
> Who was it,
> Clear Channel who tried to sue stations who'd had the Kiss
> moniker before they servicemarked it or something? But of
> course, it may all just be a ruse; KQSR never did hatch a
> nickname from their calls, and KOMA certainly has no desire
> to make people think of a medical condition. So KOJK may
> mean nuttin' at all; it does roll off the tongue nicely,
> though! Actually, it's also KJ backwards...hmmmmm.
You're quite right. We really don't know what KOJK will mean, or even if those will be the calls the station uses in the end. We're really just going to have to wait and see.
> Can a Guthrie translator be in Oklahoma County? I've got to
> think WKY is in or near town. But like you said, maybe it's
> cross-promotion. Again, I'm no engineering expert, but it
> seemed (BLEEP) to me that an AM signal could manage to
> become audible on an FM frequency. But if it is your
> same-tower theory, I was about 5 miles away from the tower
> farm, if that's where WKY is; and I'll bet it is, since WKY
> itself used to be on Britton (and perhaps still is, I don't
> know).
A Guthrie translator might be able to be in Oklahoma County, but I searched this one out, and it's not. It's on the far eastern edge of the Guthrie city limits. WKY's tower, by the way, is apparently in the city and not too far from downtown. It uses a three tower array at night, and it looks like it only uses one of those towers during the daytime. So, what probably happened was cross-promotion on one of Citadel's other frequencies, which was overpowering your reception of the translator. The translator, by the way, has 86 watts of power. As for the AM becoming audible on an FM frequency, I used to occasionally experience it in Tulsa when listening to the old KTOW-FM 102.3. I would sometimes hear KRMG 740 underneath it. So, when I interned at KRMG a few years later, I asked about it. One of their engineers explained that it was because KTOW-FM's tower was also one of KRMG's towers, and the shared tower situation sometimes caused interference to KTOW-FM, especially at the edge of its coverage. He also explained the concept to me in more technical terms, but I really didn't understand them as I was a senior in high school who didn't have the technical knowledge nor did I have the ability to speak engineer. So, I figured it was a possibility since you were on the edge of the translator's signal, and a lot of AM arrays are well outside cities where land is, or was, cheaper when they were constructed. After all, directional AM's can require a lot of land. Of course, when talking a station that signed on in the 20's, the current transmitter location probably was well outside the city limits.
> feed, in light of the puny signal, I hope they go local
> instead; after being the standard-bearer of Country Oldies,
> and keeping up live and local and familiar personalities on
> KKNG, it would be a shame if they didn't put their kind
> talents into another format, and continue to buck the
> corporate conglomerate mindset. I don't know how local La Z
> is, since I don't speak Spanish; but of course Tyler does
> have a precedent in the Radio Disney feed. (On the other
> hand, you wouldn't expect them to do a local kid-centric
> station).
I agree that it would be nice of Tyler did a local format. As for Z, I don't know how much of it is local, but I think some of it is, or else it uses a good voicetracking service. I know Bustos Media lists it as a client, but that doesn't mean it airs all Bustos programming.
> And let's just say they don't license Jack, but do a jackish
> station. Does ABC have any standing to C&D them from having
> "appropriate" call letters and similar programming without
> coming to the party and getting their blessing?
Actually, SparkNet holds the trademark to Jack, and they license it to ABC for distribution outside of the top-40 markets. The "Jack" moniker and "Playing What We Want" are trademarked by SparkNet, and they have been very aggressive about protecting it. However, there have been stations called "Zack," and I have to think you could do "Jake," too. SparkNet did, however, sue Bonneville for using the slogan "70's, 80's and Whatever We Want" on a station in Phoenix and another in St Louis saying it was too similar to the "Playing What We Want" slogan, but Bonneville won that one in court, at least on the first go around. They also didn't like a Clear Channel station in Iowa using "Playing Whatever the Hell We Want." I don't know about the outcome of that one, though I know they were at least considering a trademark infringement lawsuit.
> Who was it,
> Clear Channel who tried to sue stations who'd had the Kiss
> moniker before they servicemarked it or something? But of
> course, it may all just be a ruse; KQSR never did hatch a
> nickname from their calls, and KOMA certainly has no desire
> to make people think of a medical condition. So KOJK may
> mean nuttin' at all; it does roll off the tongue nicely,
> though! Actually, it's also KJ backwards...hmmmmm.
You're quite right. We really don't know what KOJK will mean, or even if those will be the calls the station uses in the end. We're really just going to have to wait and see.
> Can a Guthrie translator be in Oklahoma County? I've got to
> think WKY is in or near town. But like you said, maybe it's
> cross-promotion. Again, I'm no engineering expert, but it
> seemed (BLEEP) to me that an AM signal could manage to
> become audible on an FM frequency. But if it is your
> same-tower theory, I was about 5 miles away from the tower
> farm, if that's where WKY is; and I'll bet it is, since WKY
> itself used to be on Britton (and perhaps still is, I don't
> know).
A Guthrie translator might be able to be in Oklahoma County, but I searched this one out, and it's not. It's on the far eastern edge of the Guthrie city limits. WKY's tower, by the way, is apparently in the city and not too far from downtown. It uses a three tower array at night, and it looks like it only uses one of those towers during the daytime. So, what probably happened was cross-promotion on one of Citadel's other frequencies, which was overpowering your reception of the translator. The translator, by the way, has 86 watts of power. As for the AM becoming audible on an FM frequency, I used to occasionally experience it in Tulsa when listening to the old KTOW-FM 102.3. I would sometimes hear KRMG 740 underneath it. So, when I interned at KRMG a few years later, I asked about it. One of their engineers explained that it was because KTOW-FM's tower was also one of KRMG's towers, and the shared tower situation sometimes caused interference to KTOW-FM, especially at the edge of its coverage. He also explained the concept to me in more technical terms, but I really didn't understand them as I was a senior in high school who didn't have the technical knowledge nor did I have the ability to speak engineer. So, I figured it was a possibility since you were on the edge of the translator's signal, and a lot of AM arrays are well outside cities where land is, or was, cheaper when they were constructed. After all, directional AM's can require a lot of land. Of course, when talking a station that signed on in the 20's, the current transmitter location probably was well outside the city limits.
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