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New CD player suggestions?

I'm a DJ at a non-comm community/college station in the Boston area.

Although we will eventually be digitizing our music library onto hard drives someday, that's not happening yet. We've still got a library full of CD's, and we need to replace some aging CD players. We're looking for suggestions for what professional makes and models currently available are being recommended for reliable, robust broadcast use. We're looking for reliable performance and durability above all else, over fancy esoteric options or elite audiophile specifications. We need to have players that do the basics well, and are the least likely to miscue, fail to cue, misread, cut out, freeze up, mistrack, or anything else that causes dead air and embarassed DJ's.

Many of the other college and professional public radio stations in the area went with the Marantz PMD-331 and PMD-340 in recent years. They worked very well for those stations, and I suggested them to our management. Last year they (finally) bought two PMD-331's to "try them out" and they are also working well for us, but now that they finally got around to deciding that they want more of them to replace our four remaining old players, they're no longer being manufactured!

About a half-dozen years ago, they outfitted our station with Denon DN-C635's. We've had a lot of trouble with them. Even when they were still fairly new, they often failed to cue or play certain CD's, and they often cut in and out in mid-track. They also had an annoying habit of recueing themselves to "Track 1" while a DJ was announcing during a break, after a different track had been previously cued up. These problems happened on many legitimate commercial major-label CD's, not just on burned CD-R's. These are the players that we currently need to replace, and we began to replace them with the Marantz players before they were recently discontinued.

Before the DN-635's, I remember that the station tried many other brands throughout the late '80s and '90s. I remember the "professional" lines of Sonys, Pioneers, JVC's, Technics, Teac, Tascam, and I'm sure there were others. None of them lasted very long. They were like disposable lighters. We were lucky to get a year out of some of them.

The Marantz professional models seemed to be the most highly recommended a few years ago, and the same units have been working reliably for years at the other stations in the area that bought them. We'd like to know if there appears to be any concensus on a successor that replaced them after they were discontinued.

Also, how often should a station that plays CD's practically 24-7 expect to need to replace professional CD players? We have two on-air studios with three players each, so on-air usage is divided between the two.

Thanks!
 
You are 100% correct, so don't spend a lot of money on whatever you buy.

Really, you're just as well off buying two sets of dual cd players from Stanton or Numark. When your first pair craps out, throw in the next one. They're cheap (under $250), and they're unbalanced.
 
Sgeirk said:
You are 100% correct, so don't spend a lot of money on whatever you buy.

Really, you're just as well off buying two sets of dual cd players from Stanton or Numark. When your first pair craps out, throw in the next one. They're cheap (under $250), and they're unbalanced.

I liked the DN-C635 players. Mainly because they have a digital SPDIF output, however realize that nobody makes durable CD players anymore. Mainly because computers and hard drives have gotten so cheep, a majority of people have gone to music on drive. But I agree with Sgeirk, get a Stanton or Numark dual CD player and expect to replace them every two/three years.
 
XTalker said:
Why not go digital? You can buy the computer for under $500. Add a decent sound card for another $200. Then buy one of the virtual cart machine programs to play the mp3 files. Your investment will be under a grand and you will have a very workable system.

There are even some free virtual cart machines that can do the trick - check this one out .. http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/...Players_and_Editors/Virtual_Cart_Machine.html

Well if you had read the original post, it said they were going digital eventually. So your suggestions might be helpful for when they do go digital.

As for reliable CD players - go with the Denons (DNC680 or DNC640) or the Tascam CD01U. If budget is an issue, the Numark MP102 has proven to be surprisingly reliable in 24/7 service, but won't last nearly as long as the Denons would.
 
XTalker said:
Why not go digital? You can buy the computer for under $500. Add a decent sound card for another $200. Then buy one of the virtual cart machine programs to play the mp3 files. Your investment will be under a grand and you will have a very workable system.

I downloaded and played with that software today, it sucks. Try Sonicart 2.0. Download here:

http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Sonicart/
 
Yes, we will go digital eventually, but we are an all-volunteer station, and we have a huge music library to digitize. We're a college/community non-comm with a wide variety of eclectic music programming covering many genres, no tight playlists here, so it could take a while to get all our music onto computer, especially with an all-volunteer staff devoting their free time.

Our pledge drives have been successful lately, so we can spend some money on better quality players. We don't want to risk compromising our air sound by going on the cheap, if more expensive players will actually perform more reliably. Thanks for the suggestions so far, and feel free to keep 'em coming!
 
The problem with "pro" CD players is that they're nothing more than a domestic deck with some big buttons, flashing lights on the front and balanced outputs at the rear.

Invariably the mechanism is no different to a domestic CD player - so rather than spending big money on "pro" units, do as has already been suggested and buy a couple of domestic or semi-pro units and dump them when they have worn out.

I have two Denon DN-691FA CD players here, and I bought them simply because I wanted pro features - not because they would last indefinitely. They are for studio use, but not 24/7 - only being used if and when the automation happens to go down or someone wants to play a track from a CD that has been brought into the studio by a guest etc. On this basis I think I will get reasonable use out of them.

I don't know whether they would survive with extended 24/7 use, but if they are anything like the early Denon CD cart players they certainly won't - they required new spindle bearings every 6 months!

I can't comment on any of the new range of Denon CD players as I haven't had any experience with them.
 
I have four of the DN961F players and they have worked great. Considering I bought them all used and two out of them needed alignment and one needed a new laser I figured I got away cheap. They "seem" a bit better built than consumer gear, but this is also coming from a guy who also owns a Denon home deck and three Studer A727 units too.
 
Bill DeFelice said:
I have four of the DN961F players and they have worked great. Considering I bought them all used and two out of them needed alignment and one needed a new laser I figured I got away cheap. They "seem" a bit better built than consumer gear, but this is also coming from a guy who also owns a Denon home deck and three Studer A727 units too.

Yes, I would agree with you there Bill - they are better built than most consumer units - the "push shut" loading mechanism was a surprise when I first got mine, but I see the sense in doing this - it's one less motor to die, one less belt to snap or perish etc. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has worked with these machines on a long-term basis and can vouch for their quality (or lack of).
 
Bill DeFelice said:
I have four of the DN961F players and they have worked great. Considering I bought them all used and two out of them needed alignment and one needed a new laser I figured I got away cheap. They "seem" a bit better built than consumer gear, but this is also coming from a guy who also owns a Denon home deck and three Studer A727 units too.

Avoid the DN961FAs like the plague!

A station I worked at back in the mid 90s had four of these. We'd keep three in the studio and one in repair almost all the time. The laser mechanisms apparently get weaker over time and have to be replaced frequently.

They also don't handle scratched CDs well at all. Quite possibly the skippiest CD players I've ever encountered. I'd say you'll be OK if you're kind to your CDs, but the DN961FAs aren't particularly kind to them. The discs keep spinning in the players and are literally dropped into the tray still spinning a bit when you hit eject. The CDs played often in them develop a ring on the discs the size of the 3" mini-CD holder in the CD tray. The edge of the mini-CD part of the tray is raised slightly and the spinning discs are dropped right onto it upon eject.

Not really a problem, unless you're playing a track from the middle of the disc. Then it's a big problem.

This station had them because the PD talked a record label into buying Denon CD Cart players (DA951FA) for the station. The GM didn't want to pay for the CD shucks though, so we got the 961s. Huge, huge mistake.
 
I'll add a vote for Stanton, they are inexpensive and seem reliable. Gemini are inexpensive and are not reliable. If you want a true budget path wonder into a big box store and purchase a couple of DVD players. Just look for a player with a display and basic transport controls.
 
Well if you had read the original post, it said they were going digital eventually. So your suggestions might be helpful for when they do go digital.

As for reliable CD players - go with the Denons (DNC680 or DNC640) or the Tascam CD01U. If budget is an issue, the Numark MP102 has proven to be surprisingly reliable in 24/7 service, but won't last nearly as long as the Denons would.

I did read the original post - my point was for what you would spend on reliable CD players you can go digital - or at least begin the process.
 
radiorob2.0 said:
I'll add a vote for Stanton, they are inexpensive and seem reliable. Gemini are inexpensive and are not reliable. If you want a true budget path wonder into a big box store and purchase a couple of DVD players. Just look for a player with a display and basic transport controls.

The problem with using a DVD player for CDs is that cueing up a CD on some of these machines can be a pain in the butt.

I should know, I'm currently using an old RCA video-disk player as a CD player at home. Can't wait till I replace it with a real CD deck....which is also why I've been keeping an eye on this thread.
 
Radioman100 said:
The discs keep spinning in the players and are literally dropped into the tray still spinning a bit when you hit eject. The CDs played often in them develop a ring on the discs the size of the 3" mini-CD holder in the CD tray. The edge of the mini-CD part of the tray is raised slightly and the spinning discs are dropped right onto it upon eject.

Solution: 3 small felt pads about 12mm in diameter - stick one at the front of the tray, and one each side at the back of the tray, using
a good quality long life adhesive.
 
Studio1 said:
Bill DeFelice said:
I have four of the DN961F players and they have worked great. Considering I bought them all used and two out of them needed alignment and one needed a new laser I figured I got away cheap. They "seem" a bit better built than consumer gear, but this is also coming from a guy who also owns a Denon home deck and three Studer A727 units too.

Yes, I would agree with you there Bill - they are better built than most consumer units - the "push shut" loading mechanism was a surprise when I first got mine, but I see the sense in doing this - it's one less motor to die, one less belt to snap or perish etc. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has worked with these machines on a long-term basis and can vouch for their quality (or lack of).

As a former Denon dealer (I sold my company which is why I say "former") the older Denon units used Sony transports. We got a lot of them back during warranty. To be honest, we had better luck with Numark, American Audio (American DJ) and Stanton decks. It wasn't that they were a lot better, but a dual deck sold for $200. When it craps out, you just throw it in the dumpster and move on. They are hardly worth fixing.

That said, we've had a Numark in daily service for over 5 years and it has been OK. An American DJ (American Audio) version is in its third year and counting. Not bad for $199.95.
 
Great point. I suggested this earlier. I have a Stanton deck, non-smoking studio. Going on 3 years. Works fabulous.

Friend of mine had a numark go 4 years before dying. For $200, you really can't beat them. For the price, they're disposable.
 
Sgeirk said:
Great point. I suggested this earlier. I have a Stanton deck, non-smoking studio. Going on 3 years. Works fabulous.

Friend of mine had a numark go 4 years before dying. For $200, you really can't beat them. For the price, they're disposable.

If you've ever tried to repair a CD deck, expensive or cheap, you will realize that they are not really intended to be fixed. They are a bit like beer. You don't buy it, you just rent it.
 
Well, the station got lured by the networking feature, and bought a new Denon DN-C640 to try it out.

My report - JUNK!!

On my very first time using it today, it bailed out on the air on me halfway through the track on a legitimate major-label CD which plays fine for me at home, in my car, and in the two (now discontinued) Marantz players we have in our other studio (But, the same CD does NOT play on our old ailing Denon DN-C635's that we still have either).

I was REALLY hoping that Denon would have improved the laser pickup and/or processing technology (whatever their chronic problem reading CD's is) from their old models to their new models, but apparently they haven't, and it doesn't matter if it has features such as network capability if it still won't even do the basic job of properly playing CD's that other players will play.

Apparently, new Denons = old Denons = dead air surprises & a waste of money

Denon must've bought out Marantz to get a superior competing product off the market.

I'm now suggesting that the station maybe try Numark, Stanton, whatever. I'm still open to further suggestions as well. As I told our engineering department, PLEASE, NO MORE DENONS!
 
For what you'd pay for something like that, you might as well buy an off the shelf Dell computer, put an EMU soundcard in it, and call it a day.

There is zero need today for a CD player in a broadcast studio, other than for backup if the computer dies.
 
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