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KDKA had Wendy King back in the Fifties, but she did a talk show with her husband. don't know if that counts. I assume Group W owned WIND when Connie Szerzen (spelling) was there. Didn't hear their other stations except at night and WKYC , WOWO, and WBZ had guys at night. In the early Seventies, WGOE in Richmond had Rita Bentley doing AM drive. I think she is Terry Young's sister. WEZS had a female PD in the 80's. WTVR FM might have had a female midday personality also in the 80's.
 
MsMusicRadio said:
KDKA had Wendy King back in the Fifties, but she did a talk show with her husband. don't know if that counts.
Nope. A show by inj... err... marraige.
I assume Group W owned WIND when Connie Szerzen (spelling) was there. Didn't hear their other stations except at night and WKYC , WOWO, and WBZ had guys at night. In the early Seventies, WGOE in Richmond had Rita Bentley doing AM drive. I think she is Terry Young's sister.
motormouth. you can still hear him on Sirius/XM. By the 70's it started loosening up by then.
WEZS had a female PD in the 80's. WTVR FM might have had a female midday personality also in the 80's.
Sam Bellamy was PD at "The Mighty Met" KMET in L.A. through the 70's. But she wasn't an air personality. And WMCA had a female PD in the early 60's. Allison Steele was on WNEW-FM from 1967 until the mid-70's as the "Nightbird". Metromedia, Group W, Westinghouse, Infinity, CBS, all had similar philosophies which is why they eventually merged after the limitation rules were lifted. "Boss Radio" had no female jocks because there was a perception that a male voice had more credibility on air.

On TV, in the early 60's, there was Group W owned KYW's Sally Star, a great commanding presence in front of the camera. But those women are very hard to find.

We call that "sexist", today. It was called marketing and imaging back then.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
badjef said:
We call that "sexist", today. It was called marketing and imaging back then.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!


Amazing. America also had slaves at one time. I suppose that was acceptable to you as well - just because "everyone else did it back then".
 
Kabrich said:
badjef said:
We call that "sexist", today. It was called marketing and imaging back then.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!


Amazing. America also had slaves at one time. I suppose that was acceptable to you as well - just because "everyone else did it back then".
I wasn't alive back then to make that supposition.

But it is arrogant to think that the attitudes today, should apply to yesterday and visa versa.

The political correctness nauseates me.

The next thing you know we will be persecuting sons of today for the sins of their fathers. Oh, yeah. The fact you brought it up is proof it is still alive and well.

Take a ruler to my hand and slap it. I am left handed! That was done less than 100 years ago and you are not talking about that.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
What about Chuck Leonard on WABC? Was he one of the first African-Americans on Top 40 radio?
 
badjef said:
Kabrich said:
badjef said:
We call that "sexist", today. It was called marketing and imaging back then.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!


Amazing. America also had slaves at one time. I suppose that was acceptable to you as well - just because "everyone else did it back then".
I wasn't alive back then to make that supposition.

But it is arrogant to think that the attitudes today, should apply to yesterday and visa versa.

The political correctness nauseates me.

The next thing you know we will be persecuting sons of today for the sins of their fathers. Oh, yeah. The fact you brought it up is proof it is still alive and well.

Take a ruler to my hand and slap it. I am left handed! That was done less than 100 years ago and you are not talking about that.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

You proved my point and we have learned a lot about your true sexist and racial feelings.
 
Kabrich said:
badjef said:
Kabrich said:
badjef said:
We call that "sexist", today. It was called marketing and imaging back then.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!


Amazing. America also had slaves at one time. I suppose that was acceptable to you as well - just because "everyone else did it back then".
I wasn't alive back then to make that supposition.

But it is arrogant to think that the attitudes today, should apply to yesterday and visa versa.

The political correctness nauseates me.

The next thing you know we will be persecuting sons of today for the sins of their fathers. Oh, yeah. The fact you brought it up is proof it is still alive and well.

Take a ruler to my hand and slap it. I am left handed! That was done less than 100 years ago and you are not talking about that.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

You proved my point and we have learned a lot about your true sexist and racial feelings.
Yes, you have. And we have learned about yours, too.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
MsMusicRadio said:
What about Chuck Leonard on WABC? Was he one of the first African-Americans on Top 40 radio?
I have heard that.

Chuck came over from WWRL. WABC's real quiet competition. WWRL was targeting the "black" community. Knowing it was a major player in a large minority, WABC regularly monitored the station for their playlist. The hire of Chuck Leonard made sense because he brought his audience, such as it was, and professionalism with him.

I have heard him refered to as the "token black". So be it.

If he was then, he was, and continued to be accepted especially with the audiences through the migration to FM through WRKS, and then on to WCBS-FM until he died.

Growing up and listening to him, I did not find out he was black until years later, but I didn't care when I found out. The whole staff could have been black as far as I knew.

I would listen to radio all over the country and if I did hear other blacks, I didn't know it. If I liked hearing them, I listened.

...and I don't even know if they were left-handed, either.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
Was it Chuck Leonard that did those great "come in and fill the til that's nil...money talks nobody walks" spots?
 
And White guys were presumed to be Black like Wolfman Jack and Porky Chadwick on WAMO.
 
Oh God..... I'm left handed !!!!!
 
flwfg said:
Oh God..... I'm left handed !!!!!
Your safe, for now. They haven't gotten to us yet.
It's the last prejudice. The other ones are keeping them busy. As soon as the well dries up, then we'll have to worry.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
badjef said:
jmtillery said:
Using that logic every radio station on the planet would be perpetually new.
Yes, to somebody who hadn't heard an origional song,
The reality is any radio station over a certain age is no longer new but rather it becomes heritage, even if you don't like the station. The fact that it has lasted for many years qualifies the station as an established heritage station and is no longer "new". A station cannot be "new" and heritage at the same time which goes to basic logic.
Logic takes a back seat to marketing and perception.
Nothing "can be" and "cannot be" at the same time. It either "is" or it "isn't" but not both. Would you call WFLA "New" using your example? Although WFLA along with every Tampa Bay radio medium technically can be argued as "New" to a newcomer, the fact remains the station in question is not really new as it has been established for many years.
WFLA isn't new but it concentrates on new(s), or new news. Although, late at night there is no news or very little of it. The station is just there.
While I agree with your assesment, I would pose a different angle: Could a "heritage" station such as WMMR, should they concentrate only on breaking new rock releases, call themselves "new"?

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

You bring up an interesting point that causes one to really think about this topic at hand.

First of all we are both correct in our assessment of what is "new" and what isn't. However we have differing views because we are both looking at the same situation from a different perspective. Allow me to explain:

You are viewing "New" from a newcomer's point of view, meaning someone who has never heard what is coined as new. Looking at it this way, you are correct in that it would be new.

I, on the other hand, am looking at it from a long term perspective, meaning, someone who has been aware of what is coined as "New" for a long period of time. From this perspective what is termed as new isn't new at all.

Using your previous example of an established, hertitage FM station playing only "New" rock music, we have actually two images at play. 1) The station itself is heritage and is not new; and, 2) The format is new and not heritage. Using this example, if the heritage station is playing nothing but new music indefinately and continuously updating the playlist to reflect ONLY new music, I would rather hear the imaging and positioning statement along the line of "Cutting Edge Music" rather than "New". My reasoning for this is because, to me, to use the term "New" implies the station itself is new when in fact it is not. However the music is continuously updated and is always on the "cutting edge". This keeps an established station fresh, new (formatically) and exciting.

Another possibility regarding The Point and Magic overusing the term new, may have something to do with making the listeners feel young. By way of example, the music on The Point is from the "80s which is far from new. And anyone who remembers the '80s music when it was new is well into their 40s, 50s and even 60 now. When the music was new, most listeners were in their teens and early 20s; maybe some were in their early 30s. If we take the early '80s music from 1980 to 1985, we are talking 25-30 years ago. A person who was 30 in 1980 will be 60 this year. By The Point referencing 30 year old music and the station itself as "New" may create the facade that the listener, for a moment, is back in their youth. I realize that, in a way, this is a stretch, but there may be some validity to the theory. Most everyone, with some exceptions, want to remain young.

In summary, we are both actually correct in our assessment. We have just been looking at the same situation from a differing perspective.
 
jmtillery said:
In summary, we are both actually correct in our assessment. We have just been looking at the same situation from a differing perspective.
I would say we are both correct.
But, I am not trying to take a side one way or the other. I have been at radio stations that wanted back sell. Then I’ve been at radio stations that didn’t like back sell. Others that didn’t care. From a station stand point, there is the perception that back sell is talking in the past. On a listener side of the speaker, they may not remember the artist who did the song he/she just heard and therefore wants to know who did it.

Of course, if it is a current hit formatted station, the key demo listener probably already knows the song, anyway – there are so many outlets for it.

It is why there is no perfect formula. But there are formulas that are better than others. I mentioned on a different post of the legal ID’s. Post it at the final break in the hour and sweep with music has been proven to work on CHR-type stations. On a news station, notsamuch.

We have had some sheep stations – those are real baaad stations. My favorite was 620 WSUN after CBS bought them. “A commitment to News… now back to pre-recorded talknet.” Dead air? Bad for CHR, acceptable for MOYL, or the equivalent. Then there was “107.3(snore and whistle), the Bay.” All they did was give the imaging voice some coffee, changed the name to “107.3 – The Eagle”, and changed the call letters. I saw nothing else change. That’s new!?

Do you want to market and image yourself with fewer commercials? Is the merchant down the street alienated when he hears the voice say “We’ll be right back? And then his expensive spot runs? Does he fail to renew because of that? Or he wants to try a different revenue stream to generate additional business to his store?

me thinks we got off the topic of the original post.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
badjef said:
jmtillery said:
In summary, we are both actually correct in our assessment. We have just been looking at the same situation from a differing perspective.
I would say we are both correct.
But, I am not trying to take a side one way or the other. I have been at radio stations that wanted back sell. Then I’ve been at radio stations that didn’t like back sell. Others that didn’t care. From a station stand point, there is the perception that back sell is talking in the past. On a listener side of the speaker, they may not remember the artist who did the song he/she just heard and therefore wants to know who did it.

Of course, if it is a current hit formatted station, the key demo listener probably already knows the song, anyway – there are so many outlets for it.

It is why there is no perfect formula. But there are formulas that are better than others. I mentioned on a different post of the legal ID’s. Post it at the final break in the hour and sweep with music has been proven to work on CHR-type stations. On a news station, notsamuch.

We have had some sheep stations – those are real baaad stations. My favorite was 620 WSUN after CBS bought them. “A commitment to News… now back to pre-recorded talknet.” Dead air? Bad for CHR, acceptable for MOYL, or the equivalent. Then there was “107.3(snore and whistle), the Bay.” All they did was give the imaging voice some coffee, changed the name to “107.3 – The Eagle”, and changed the call letters. I saw nothing else change. That’s new!?

Do you want to market and image yourself with fewer commercials? Is the merchant down the street alienated when he hears the voice say “We’ll be right back? And then his expensive spot runs? Does he fail to renew because of that? Or he wants to try a different revenue stream to generate additional business to his store?

me thinks we got off the topic of the original post.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

Perhaps we were a bit off the original topic, but we did hit on a few ideas that, in my opinion, were well worth considering and thought provoking. One idea begets another.
 
When 107.3 was the Bay, they played some new music, had jocks who sounded live about 18 hours a day , called itself "soft rock'n' roll' rather than 'Classic Hits" and had the late Annie Sommers doing "Acoustic Sundays". The Eagle plays only very "tried and true" old music, has only 2 jocks, and is so monotonous it is becoming a doctor's office station. The Eagle is just a slightly younger version of the Dove. If Q105 and the Eagle are both Classic Hits, I'd take Q105 always. I think the change from the Bay to the Eagle was pointless and useless. now for the rant------------------------------.
 
MsMusicRadio said:
I think the change from the Bay to the Eagle was pointless and useless. now for the rant------------------------------.
No it wasn't. It gave them the "license" to call themselves "New".

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
MsMusicRadio said:
When 107.3 was the Bay, they played some new music, had jocks who sounded live about 18 hours a day , called itself "soft rock'n' roll' rather than 'Classic Hits" and had the late Annie Sommers doing "Acoustic Sundays". The Eagle plays only very "tried and true" old music, has only 2 jocks, and is so monotonous it is becoming a doctor's office station. The Eagle is just a slightly younger version of the Dove. If Q105 and the Eagle are both Classic Hits, I'd take Q105 always. I think the change from the Bay to the Eagle was pointless and useless. now for the rant------------------------------.

But Eagle was #1 Persons 25-54 within 3 months of the flip from Bay to Eagle......where it wasn't even in the Top 10 prior to that....and it often ends up at #1 Persons 25-54 to this day.

The masses may be asses, but they clearly disagree with your opinions - and no one ever went broke appealing the masses.
 
Kabrich said:
MsMusicRadio said:
When 107.3 was the Bay, they played some new music, had jocks who sounded live about 18 hours a day , called itself "soft rock'n' roll' rather than 'Classic Hits" and had the late Annie Sommers doing "Acoustic Sundays". The Eagle plays only very "tried and true" old music, has only 2 jocks, and is so monotonous it is becoming a doctor's office station. The Eagle is just a slightly younger version of the Dove. If Q105 and the Eagle are both Classic Hits, I'd take Q105 always. I think the change from the Bay to the Eagle was pointless and useless. now for the rant------------------------------.

But Eagle was #1 Persons 25-54 within 3 months of the flip from Bay to Eagle......where it wasn't even in the Top 10 prior to that....and it often ends up at #1 Persons 25-54 to this day.

The masses may be asses, but they clearly disagree with your opinions - and no one ever went broke appealing the masses.

Then image is everything.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
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