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new Disney DX for me... (1160)

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pianoplayer88key

I was listening (in El Cajon, CA) to Clark Howard the other night on 1160 AM (KSL Salt Lake City), and heard some pop music in the background. A brief flip to 1580 (KMIK Tempe/Phoenix, a good signal at night) confirmed that I was hearing Radio Disney.
A look at radio-locator.com reveals that KRDY San Antonio, 1160 kHz, is 10kW day, 1kW night, with a mostly omnidirectional day pattern, and a null toward me (and Salt Lake City) at night. I was getting significant adjacent-channel interference from 1170 KCBQ and 1130 KSDO, and the KRDY signal averaged about 15-25dB below the KSL signal.

Are there still any AM Stereo radio disney outlets out there? I have trouble hearing the one on 1690 from Colorado even at night, due to a local station on 1700 (XEPE - Cash 1700), a TIS on 1690 12 miles to the west, and a station on 1690 in Roseville, CA. Would one of Bruce Carter's antennas work for daytime (and nighttime) reception of this station? Also, how directional are his antennas? I'd like to build one sometime, but I need to make one that's very directional - I might be happy with something similar to WISN's night pattern, as plotted on a graph, not on radio-locator.
 
> I was listening (in El Cajon, CA) to Clark Howard the other
> night on 1160 AM (KSL Salt Lake City), and heard some pop
> music in the background. A brief flip to 1580 (KMIK
> Tempe/Phoenix, a good signal at night) confirmed that I was
> hearing Radio Disney.
> A look at radio-locator.com reveals that KRDY San Antonio,
> 1160 kHz, is 10kW day, 1kW night, with a mostly
> omnidirectional day pattern, and a null toward me (and Salt
> Lake City) at night. I was getting significant
> adjacent-channel interference from 1170 KCBQ and 1130 KSDO,
> and the KRDY signal averaged about 15-25dB below the KSL
> signal.
>
> Are there still any AM Stereo radio disney outlets out
> there? I have trouble hearing the one on 1690 from Colorado
> even at night, due to a local station on 1700 (XEPE - Cash
> 1700), a TIS on 1690 12 miles to the west, and a station on
> 1690 in Roseville, CA. Would one of Bruce Carter's antennas
> work for daytime (and nighttime) reception of this station?
> Also, how directional are his antennas? I'd like to build
> one sometime, but I need to make one that's very directional
> - I might be happy with something similar to WISN's night
> pattern, as plotted on a graph, not on radio-locator.
>


Most of Radio Disney stations are still on AM with only 5 apparently on FM.

The Radio Disney site sucks in trying to find all their stations but found this instead (even though it may be dated): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Disney

RFLA
 
> I was listening (in El Cajon, CA) to Clark Howard the other
> night on 1160 AM (KSL Salt Lake City),

That 1160 is a powerhouse, occasionally it is the strongest Radio Disney over Lubbock. The rest of the time, you check 620 or 1690 for the strongest signal (thank goodness for the skywave from Denver!) Once in a while, 1580 from Phoenix or 1560 from Oklahoma City make it in.

I think you should "just do it" - take two hours and make a box loop. You will not be disappointed at the results! As to specific questions about what will and won't come in - you are the only one in a position to answer those. You can spend all of your time thinking about it - but that time could be spent DX'ing! Hey - over the holidays I forgot to throw a loop in the car. I ordered a large pizza, took some wire, two halves of a soda can separated by paper (an old crystal radio trick to make a tuning capacitor) and in an hour was DX'ing Radio Disney. Not that an SR-3 can't do it from Lubbock, but I prefer no static.
 
> > I was listening (in El Cajon, CA) to Clark Howard the
> other
> > night on 1160 AM (KSL Salt Lake City),
>
> That 1160 is a powerhouse, occasionally it is the strongest
> Radio Disney over Lubbock. The rest of the time, you check
> 620 or 1690 for the strongest signal (thank goodness for the
> skywave from Denver!) Once in a while, 1580 from Phoenix or
> 1560 from Oklahoma City make it in.
>
> I think you should "just do it" - take two hours and make a
> box loop. You will not be disappointed at the results! As
> to specific questions about what will and won't come in -
> you are the only one in a position to answer those. You can
> spend all of your time thinking about it - but that time
> could be spent DX'ing! Hey - over the holidays I forgot to
> throw a loop in the car. I ordered a large pizza, took some
> wire, two halves of a soda can separated by paper (an old
> crystal radio trick to make a tuning capacitor) and in an
> hour was DX'ing Radio Disney. Not that an SR-3 can't do it
> from Lubbock, but I prefer no static.
>

I remember checking out the 1690 frequency regularly before WRLL signed on in 2003. KDDZ (Denver) was in regularly. I live a good 1,000 miles east in Kenosha, WI so thats pretty nice for a 1kw expanded band frequency. Usually KOA is the only Denver station I get except during the occational FM E-Skip (1999, 2002)


Another good Radio Disney outlet to DX is 1560 WQEW New York and 1260 WSDZ Belleville, IL (St. Louis Market)

Not sure about 1640 WKSH Sussex. They are the average expanded band signal most likely.

Another is WDSS in Ada, MI (1680) You would not believe how strong that station bangs in over here even in the morning after sunrise and in middle of the afternoon (think 4PM)

List of Radio Disney outlets I have logged in Kenosha, WI between 1998 and 2005:

620 KMKI Plano, TX (Dallas Market) (Rare. Local 620 WTMJ Milwaukee covers it up. I have been able to pick it up under WTMJ)
1260 WSDZ Belleville, IL (St. Louis Market) (Regular)
1300 WRDZ La Grange, IL (Chicago Market) (Station is a local)
1440 KDIS Golden Valley, MN (Minneapolis Market) (VERY rare. I only pulled this one in once a few years ago while in the car)
1560 WQEW New York, NY (50kw)
1640 WKSH Sussex, WI (Milwaukee Market) (Station is a local)
1680 WDSS Ada, MI (Grand Rapids Market)
1690 KDDZ Arvado, CO (Denver Market) (This one is rare)

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> > > I was listening (in El Cajon, CA) to Clark Howard the
> > other
> > > night on 1160 AM (KSL Salt Lake City),
> >
> > That 1160 is a powerhouse, occasionally it is the
> strongest
> > Radio Disney over Lubbock. The rest of the time, you
> check
> > 620 or 1690 for the strongest signal (thank goodness for
> the
> > skywave from Denver!) Once in a while, 1580 from Phoenix
> or
> > 1560 from Oklahoma City make it in.
> >
> > I think you should "just do it" - take two hours and make
> a
> > box loop. You will not be disappointed at the results!
> As
> > to specific questions about what will and won't come in -
> > you are the only one in a position to answer those. You
> can
> > spend all of your time thinking about it - but that time
> > could be spent DX'ing! Hey - over the holidays I forgot
> to
> > throw a loop in the car. I ordered a large pizza, took
> some
> > wire, two halves of a soda can separated by paper (an old
> > crystal radio trick to make a tuning capacitor) and in an
> > hour was DX'ing Radio Disney. Not that an SR-3 can't do
> it
> > from Lubbock, but I prefer no static.
> >
>
> I remember checking out the 1690 frequency regularly before
> WRLL signed on in 2003. KDDZ (Denver) was in regularly. I
> live a good 1,000 miles east in Kenosha, WI so thats pretty
> nice for a 1kw expanded band frequency. Usually KOA is the
> only Denver station I get except during the occational FM
> E-Skip (1999, 2002)
>
>
> Another good Radio Disney outlet to DX is 1560 WQEW New York
> and 1260 WSDZ Belleville, IL (St. Louis Market)
>
> Not sure about 1640 WKSH Sussex. They are the average
> expanded band signal most likely.
>
> Another is WDSS in Ada, MI (1680) You would not believe how
> strong that station bangs in over here even in the morning
> after sunrise and in middle of the afternoon (think 4PM)
>
> List of Radio Disney outlets I have logged in Kenosha, WI
> between 1998 and 2005:
>
> 620 KMKI Plano, TX (Dallas Market) (Rare. Local 620 WTMJ
> Milwaukee covers it up. I have been able to pick it up under
> WTMJ)
> 1260 WSDZ Belleville, IL (St. Louis Market) (Regular)
> 1300 WRDZ La Grange, IL (Chicago Market) (Station is a
> local)
> 1440 KDIS Golden Valley, MN (Minneapolis Market) (VERY rare.
> I only pulled this one in once a few years ago while in the
> car)
> 1560 WQEW New York, NY (50kw)
> 1640 WKSH Sussex, WI (Milwaukee Market) (Station is a local)
>
> 1680 WDSS Ada, MI (Grand Rapids Market)
> 1690 KDDZ Arvado, CO (Denver Market) (This one is rare)
>


I have picked out 620 KMKI near Milwaukee even with WTMJ blowing in!

1690 Denever used to be in every night for me.

There is another 1260 near Cleveland that comes in once and a while. Though it is tough to differentiate between St Louis and Cleveland.
 
> 620 KMKI Plano, TX (Dallas Market) (Rare. Local 620 WTMJ
> Milwaukee covers it up. I have been able to pick it up under
> WTMJ)

That is majorly impressive. My daughter's babysitter lived a couple of miles north of the KMKI nighttime array. She complained that Radio Disney NEVER came in. I checked it out and sure enough the null was very deep. I think I could even hear WTMJ under it, but it could have also been something else because I did not get an ID. A few feet away, the null was starting to disappear. By the time I was down the block, the null was gone. Very impressive engineering by the KMKI staff!
 
> > > I was listening (in El Cajon, CA) to Clark Howard the
> > other
> > > night on 1160 AM (KSL Salt Lake City),
> >
> > That 1160 is a powerhouse, occasionally it is the
> strongest
> > Radio Disney over Lubbock. The rest of the time, you
> check
> > 620 or 1690 for the strongest signal (thank goodness for
> the
> > skywave from Denver!) Once in a while, 1580 from Phoenix
> or
> > 1560 from Oklahoma City make it in.
> >
> > I think you should "just do it" - take two hours and make
> a
> > box loop. You will not be disappointed at the results!
> As
> > to specific questions about what will and won't come in -
> > you are the only one in a position to answer those. You
> can
> > spend all of your time thinking about it - but that time
> > could be spent DX'ing! Hey - over the holidays I forgot
> to
> > throw a loop in the car. I ordered a large pizza, took
> some
> > wire, two halves of a soda can separated by paper (an old
> > crystal radio trick to make a tuning capacitor) and in an
> > hour was DX'ing Radio Disney. Not that an SR-3 can't do
> it
> > from Lubbock, but I prefer no static.
> >
>
> I remember checking out the 1690 frequency regularly before
> WRLL signed on in 2003. KDDZ (Denver) was in regularly. I
> live a good 1,000 miles east in Kenosha, WI so thats pretty
> nice for a 1kw expanded band frequency. Usually KOA is the
> only Denver station I get except during the occational FM
> E-Skip (1999, 2002)
>
>
> Another good Radio Disney outlet to DX is 1560 WQEW New York
> and 1260 WSDZ Belleville, IL (St. Louis Market)
>
> Not sure about 1640 WKSH Sussex. They are the average
> expanded band signal most likely.
>
> Another is WDSS in Ada, MI (1680) You would not believe how
> strong that station bangs in over here even in the morning
> after sunrise and in middle of the afternoon (think 4PM)
>
> List of Radio Disney outlets I have logged in Kenosha, WI
> between 1998 and 2005:
>
> 620 KMKI Plano, TX (Dallas Market) (Rare. Local 620 WTMJ
> Milwaukee covers it up. I have been able to pick it up under
> WTMJ)
> 1260 WSDZ Belleville, IL (St. Louis Market) (Regular)
> 1300 WRDZ La Grange, IL (Chicago Market) (Station is a
> local)
> 1440 KDIS Golden Valley, MN (Minneapolis Market) (VERY rare.
> I only pulled this one in once a few years ago while in the
> car)
> 1560 WQEW New York, NY (50kw)
> 1640 WKSH Sussex, WI (Milwaukee Market) (Station is a local)
>
> 1680 WDSS Ada, MI (Grand Rapids Market)
> 1690 KDDZ Arvado, CO (Denver Market) (This one is rare)
>

Disney stations I've caught from Ragland, AL:

540 WWCS Canonsburg, PA (Pittsburgh)
590 WDWD Atlanta, GA
980 WPGA Perry, GA (Macon)
990 WDYZ Orlando, FL
1260 WSDZ St. Louis, MO
1290 WDZY Richmond, VA
1430 WOWW Memphis, TN
1560 WQEW New York
1560 KOCY Oklahoma City
1680 WDSS Ada/Grand Rapids, MI
102.1 WQUA Citronelle/Mobile, AL(recently flipped to Jimmy Swaggart's SonLife network)

Of those, WOWW seems to be the most common, but maybe it's because I pay a lot of attention to that frequency since I have a local on it and it's easy to hit on an analog tuner. WDYZ, WSDZ, and KOCY(only caught WQEW when their LID was slightly off-sync w/ KOCY and fairly clear briefly) are fairly common also.
 
>
> Disney stations I've caught from Ragland, AL:
>
> 540 WWCS Canonsburg, PA (Pittsburgh)
> 590 WDWD Atlanta, GA
> 980 WPGA Perry, GA (Macon)
> 990 WDYZ Orlando, FL
> 1260 WSDZ St. Louis, MO
> 1290 WDZY Richmond, VA
> 1430 WOWW Memphis, TN
> 1560 WQEW New York
> 1560 KOCY Oklahoma City
> 1680 WDSS Ada/Grand Rapids, MI
> 102.1 WQUA Citronelle/Mobile, AL(recently flipped to Jimmy
> Swaggart's SonLife network)
>
> Of those, WOWW seems to be the most common, but maybe it's
> because I pay a lot of attention to that frequency since I
> have a local on it and it's easy to hit on an analog tuner.
> WDYZ, WSDZ, and KOCY(only caught WQEW when their LID was
> slightly off-sync w/ KOCY and fairly clear briefly) are
> fairly common also.
>

The only one I've ever gotten here in Memphis besides WOWW is whoever's on 1260 (I assume it's St. Louis, but it could be Cleveland I guess). Most nights 1260 (while fighting with Springfield, MO) comes in slightly better than 1430, and I'm just a few miles from the 1430 towers!
 
> The only one I've ever gotten here in Memphis besides WOWW
> is whoever's on 1260 (I assume it's St. Louis, but it could
> be Cleveland I guess). Most nights 1260 (while fighting with
> Springfield, MO) comes in slightly better than 1430, and I'm
> just a few miles from the 1430 towers!

Try 1640. The Metro Milwaukee station pops up under Biloxi fairly regularly here in Germantown.

I have heard a couple others in the X-band, but, since I am driving while running through AM, it doesn't get written down.

Oh, and it comes in great on 106.3 occasionally. But, that's just the FM modulator on my Sirius Radio.

DE
 
> Try 1640. The Metro Milwaukee station pops up under Biloxi
> fairly regularly here in Germantown.
>
Never noticed that before!

> I have heard a couple others in the X-band, but, since I am
> driving while running through AM, it doesn't get written
> down.
>
> Oh, and it comes in great on 106.3 occasionally. But,
> that's just the FM modulator on my Sirius Radio.
>
> DE

No, 106.3 is some great multipath from WRVR!
>
 
Part of my problem with a loop is that I live in an area that has several very powerful station co- or adjacent-channel to some I'd like to DX, and they are inaudible even with a select-a-tenna.
 
> adjacent-channel to some I'd like to DX, and they are
> inaudible even with a select-a-tenna.

Select-A-Tenna is just about 14 inches - hardly a DX loop at all. For real DX, you need several feet. I use my 2 foot loop just to peak in stations 200 to 300 miles away, not for any serious DX.

There is one possible problem with your location - loop saturation. If several strong local station saturate your loop, it will be able to absorb no more magnetic energy by definition. I have that problem in Dallas - loops that bring in 1000 mile DX with ease in Lubbock, TX barely do any good here. Too many locals.
 
1680 Ada, Michigan

Jeremy,

The engineer at AM 1680 in Lidenwold, New Jersery is a regular poster on the New Jersey Board and he's stated numerous times in his posts AM 1680 from Ada doesn't always power down at the right time and often interferes with his station.
 
> > adjacent-channel to some I'd like to DX, and they are
> > inaudible even with a select-a-tenna.
>
> Select-A-Tenna is just about 14 inches - hardly a DX loop at
> all. For real DX, you need several feet. I use my 2 foot
> loop just to peak in stations 200 to 300 miles away, not for
> any serious DX.
>
> There is one possible problem with your location - loop
> saturation. If several strong local station saturate your
> loop, it will be able to absorb no more magnetic energy by
> definition. I have that problem in Dallas - loops that
> bring in 1000 mile DX with ease in Lubbock, TX barely do any
> good here. Too many locals.
>

You may be right about saturation. I have several locals that when I peak the SAT , they splatter as follows with a fairly strong signal on my Panasonic (note that the panasonic is a little asymmetrical, with the high side having slightly poorer selectivity):
600 from 570 to 650, 690 from 660 to 740, 760 (nighttime 50kW) from 710 to 860, 910 from 870 to 950, 1130 from 1090 to 1190, 1170 from 1140 to 1230, 1210 from 1190 to 1240, 1360 from 1320 to 1410, 1470 from 1440 to 1510, 1630 from 1610 to 1660, 1700 from 1670 to 1710 (my radio's tuning stops there).
Those are the worst splatterers. All the above stations are audible with full noise quieting without the Select-A-Tenna. Other strong locals and semi-locals include 540, 640, 740, 800, 860, 950, 1040, 1070, 1090, 1240, 1270, 1310, 1420, 1470.
Some stations I want to DX are:
560 KBLU Yuma, AZ (audible with SAT but faint)
610 KEAR San Francisco, CA (have heard sometimes at night, but would like to be able to get daytime out from under KAVL Lancaster and 600's IBOC hash)
620 KTAR Phoenix, AZ - would like a better null of XESS Rosarito for Clark Howard 9pm-mid Arizona Time
670 KBOI Boise, ID - I used to be able to hear it regularly at night, but not anymore due to them directionalizing so KIRN Simi Valley could up their nighttime power
680 KNBR San Francisco, CA - so I can listen to Giants day games during baseball season
740 KCBS San Francisco, CA - strong at night, is there ANY way to get it daytime out from under co-channel KBRT Avalon, CA?
750 WSB Atlanta, GA - so I can listen to Clark Howard live 1p-4p ET
780 WBBM Chicago - Cubs games. Out from under 760 and KKOH Reno, NV.
820 WBAP Ft Worth - interfered with by XEMVS Mexicali.
880 WCBS New York, NY - Yankees games (no, I don't have to be able to hear it at noon.)
1000 WMVP Chicago, IL
1020 KDKA Pittsburgh, PA
1040 WHO Des Moines, IA - local on 1040
1080 KRLD Dallas, TX - sandwiched between 1070 and 1090
1090 WBAL Baltimore, MD - under local 1090
(note of omission: 1110 KDIS Pasadena, CA - now 5kHz IBOC daytime, no longer AM Stereo (sounds like 10kHz nighttime but I don't hear stereo there when I've been in their local coverage area in the last couple months.))
1120 KMOX St Louis, MO - or are the Cardinals no longer going to be on that station?
1140 WRVA Richmond, VA
1160 KSL Salt Lake City, UT - would it be possible daytime?
1210 KEBR Rocklin, CA - local on 1210 in San Marcos
1240 KALY Albuquerque, NM - Radio Disney (have local on 1240 too)
1290 KKDD San Bernardino, CA - now that Santa Barbara has gone talk (I used to listen to KZSB (then KZBN)'s standards sometimes)
1500 KSTP St Paul, MN
1500 WTOP Washington, DC
1560 WQEW New York, NY
1570 KPRO Riverside, CA - would like a more consistent reliable signal 7:30am-8am Sundays. Interference from 1550 XEBG Tijuana, 1560 KNZR Bakersfield, 1570 XERF Ciudad Acu~na, 1580 KBLA Santa Monica, and 1580 KMIK Tempe makes it difficult.
1580 KMIK Tempe, AZ - Disney - would like reliable daytime signal out from under KBLA Santa Monica
1610 - any recommended part 15 stations that are east of the Rockies? (or anywhere?)
1660 KXOL Brigham City, UT
1690 KDDZ Arvada, CO - would like a reliable AM Stereo Radio Disney 24/7.

If I haven't mentioned all of them already, all MLB baseball games broadcast on their flagship stations.
Would a loop be directional enough to pull in one or two stations at a time on a graveyard channel?

Would a narrower tuning very directional (for example WISN's nighttime pattern) loop help at all?

Also, have you been able to get the Radio Disney on 1690 from Denver with your loops from your location?

One quick addendum about the saturation - a few months ago I went to Borrego springs for a couple hours at midday. I was able to hear 700 from Salt Lake City there, but here, 690 splatters way too much. Also, getting 680 from San Francisco in the daytime is EXTREMELY rare here, but I have done it a couple times. The most likely consistent DX daytimers with my SAT are KFBK Sacramento and KMIK Tempe.
 
Wow, tfcwings, it seems a bit unrealistic to receive most of those stations day OR night from your location. I'm in Orange County so I'm not that far from you.
I have received KMIK 1580 daytime (in the winter) but why would you put up with the interference from KBLA??

> Some stations I want to DX are:
> 610 KEAR San Francisco, CA (have heard sometimes at night,
> but would like to be able to get daytime out from under KAVL
> Lancaster and 600's IBOC hash)

HOW??

> 620 KTAR Phoenix, AZ - would like a better null of XESS
> Rosarito for Clark Howard 9pm-mid Arizona Time

Are you a Clark Howard fan? If that's the reason, why not find a station on his network that streams?? I'm sure you can find affiliates on Clark's website and then take it from there.

> 670 KBOI Boise, ID - I used to be able to hear it regularly
> at night, but not anymore due to them directionalizing so
> KIRN Simi Valley could up their nighttime power

I can still pick Boise up sometimes and there's a 50kw day signal from Denver KLTT that comes in strong sometime before local sunset before they reduce to 1400 watts.


> 680 KNBR San Francisco, CA - so I can listen to Giants day
> games during baseball season

Tall order!!

> 740 KCBS San Francisco, CA - strong at night, is there ANY
> way to get it daytime out from under co-channel KBRT Avalon,
> CA?

No there's no way unless you can bomb KBRT's tower

> 750 WSB Atlanta, GA - so I can listen to Clark Howard live
> 1p-4p ET

HOW with all the QRM on 750, Portland's KXL, Utah's KOAL, and then there's that Spanish language station (from Mexico?) that's lately been stepping all over 750 at night. You mean you'd like to hear Clark Howard at 10 am from an Atlanta station??!!

> 780 WBBM Chicago - Cubs games. Out from under 760 and KKOH
> Reno, NV.

Another tough one and you forgot that Sedona AZ station

> 820 WBAP Ft Worth - interfered with by XEMVS Mexicali.

Used to be easy now its hard

> 880 WCBS New York, NY - Yankees games (no, I don't have to
> be able to hear it at noon.)

FUHGEDDABOUDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

> 1000 WMVP Chicago, IL

How you gonna get past KCEO and/or KOMO?

> 1020 KDKA Pittsburgh, PA

What you forget about KTNQ?? (PS I just checked Radio-locator... wasn't there a New Mexico station on 1020? -- did they move?)

> 1090 WBAL Baltimore, MD - under local 1090

I don't see how unless you move east

> 1120 KMOX St Louis, MO - or are the Cardinals no longer
> going to be on that station?

According to the Cardinals website, they're still on KMOX

1160 KSL Salt Lake City UT - would it be possible daytime?

maybe

> 1290 KKDD San Bernardino, CA - now that Santa Barbara has
> gone talk (I used to listen to KZSB (then KZBN)'s standards
> sometimes)

You should be able to get them

> 1500 KSTP St Paul, MN
> 1500 WTOP Washington, DC

KSTP mayvbe, WTOP nah

> 1560 WQEW New York, NY

LOL!! When I lived in Central Jersey it was a miracle you could receive a fair signal when they were WQXR-AM and later when they adopted the Standards format as WQEW

> 1570 KPRO Riverside, CA - would like a more consistent
> reliable signal 7:30am-8am Sundays. Interference from 1550
> XEBG Tijuana, 1560 KNZR Bakersfield, 1570 XERF Ciudad
> Acu~na, 1580 KBLA Santa Monica, and 1580 KMIK Tempe makes it
> difficult.

Yes you can get them esp daytime, but WHY?

> 1660 KXOL Brigham City, UT

Used to be good before being interfered with by KTIQ Merced

Too bad you weren't around in the 60's wings, when AM DX was fantastic!

In Central New Jersey I was able to regularly pull in KFI during the winter months after WHLO Akron OH signed off. That was before Radio Havana started interfering heavily. Actually one summer heard part of a Dodgers game with Vin Scully at the mike. Those were the days before IBOC hash, X-band and a zillion daytime stations getting nighttime authority :>)
 
> Wow, tfcwings, it seems a bit unrealistic to receive most of
> those stations day OR night from your location. I'm in
> Orange County so I'm not that far from you.
> I have received KMIK 1580 daytime (in the winter) but why
> would you put up with the interference from KBLA??

I'm not as close to KBLA as you are, for one thing. Sometimes I have heard KMIK in the daytime strong enough to totally block KBLA.

>
> > Some stations I want to DX are:
> > 610 KEAR San Francisco, CA (have heard sometimes at night,
>
> > but would like to be able to get daytime out from under
> KAVL
> > Lancaster and 600's IBOC hash)
>
> HOW??

Well, I DO have the same format on local 910, so I guess not hearing 610 isn't a TOTAL loss (unless they resume AM Stereo broadcasting)

>
> > 620 KTAR Phoenix, AZ - would like a better null of XESS
> > Rosarito for Clark Howard 9pm-mid Arizona Time
>
> Are you a Clark Howard fan? If that's the reason, why not
> find a station on his network that streams?? I'm sure you
> can find affiliates on Clark's website and then take it from
> there.

Yes, I'm a clark fan. Unfortunately I don't always have regular access to the internet, so I really need to get him off the air. (and, he is on KSL 1160 from 11pm to 2am pacific, but I'd rather be sleeping at that time.)

>
> > 670 KBOI Boise, ID - I used to be able to hear it
> regularly
> > at night, but not anymore due to them directionalizing so
> > KIRN Simi Valley could up their nighttime power
>
> I can still pick Boise up sometimes and there's a 50kw day
> signal from Denver KLTT that comes in strong sometime before
> local sunset before they reduce to 1400 watts.

I've never heard KBOI from here since they directionalized. I wonder if WSCR would be easier now, though, than it used to be...

>
>
> > 680 KNBR San Francisco, CA - so I can listen to Giants day
>
> > games during baseball season
>
> Tall order!!

I have heard them daytime with VERY HEAVY QRM from 690.

>
> > 740 KCBS San Francisco, CA - strong at night, is there ANY
>
> > way to get it daytime out from under co-channel KBRT
> Avalon,
> > CA?
>
> No there's no way unless you can bomb KBRT's tower

There's no loop antennas with a very narrow directional pattern and deep nulls, so I can null KBRT and peak KCBS? (looking at a map, it looks like KBRT's transmitter is approx 10 degrees counterclockwise from me from San Francisco's bearing.)

>
> > 750 WSB Atlanta, GA - so I can listen to Clark Howard live
>
> > 1p-4p ET
>
> HOW with all the QRM on 750, Portland's KXL, Utah's KOAL,
> and then there's that Spanish language station (from
> Mexico?) that's lately been stepping all over 750 at night.
> You mean you'd like to hear Clark Howard at 10 am from an
> Atlanta station??!!

I'd like to listen to his live broadcast over the air. (see above about my lack of an always available internet connection.)

>
> > 780 WBBM Chicago - Cubs games. Out from under 760 and
> KKOH
> > Reno, NV.
>
> Another tough one and you forgot that Sedona AZ station

Oh yea.

>
> > 820 WBAP Ft Worth - interfered with by XEMVS Mexicali.
>
> Used to be easy now its hard

any good very directional loops? (see above comment about KBRT/KCBS)

>
> > 880 WCBS New York, NY - Yankees games (no, I don't have to
>
> > be able to hear it at noon.)
>
> FUHGEDDABOUDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another affiliate to hear John Sterling and not just the "It is high, It is far, It is gone" calls on ESPN's highlights segments?

>
> > 1000 WMVP Chicago, IL
>
> How you gonna get past KCEO and/or KOMO?

they are north of me, WMVP is more east.

>
> > 1020 KDKA Pittsburgh, PA
>
> What you forget about KTNQ?? (PS I just checked
> Radio-locator... wasn't there a New Mexico station on 1020?
> -- did they move?)

No, I didn't forget KTNQ, and yes, I've heard that New Mexico 1020 on a couple occasions. As you may be figuring out by now, I'm looking for an antenna with very good directional characteristics. Is it possible to get one with a loop no more than 7 feet 6 inches in diameter? (our house has 8 foot ceilings and I would like to be able to get some reception in the house, although I understand that better reception would be had outside.)

>
> > 1090 WBAL Baltimore, MD - under local 1090
>
> I don't see how unless you move east
>
> > 1120 KMOX St Louis, MO - or are the Cardinals no longer
> > going to be on that station?
>
> According to the Cardinals website, they're still on KMOX
>
> 1160 KSL Salt Lake City UT - would it be possible daytime?
>
> maybe

Probably when KCBQ is off the air, but what about when they're on?

>
> > 1290 KKDD San Bernardino, CA - now that Santa Barbara has
> > gone talk (I used to listen to KZSB (then KZBN)'s
> standards
> > sometimes)
>
> You should be able to get them

I can faintly, but not as clear and interference free as I would like. KZSB is dominant.

>
> > 1500 KSTP St Paul, MN
> > 1500 WTOP Washington, DC
>
> KSTP maybe, WTOP nah

I've heard KSTP a couple times. for WTOP, they're directional facing east, right? what about pointing my loop antenna west and taking the signal from across the Pacific, Asia, Europe, and the Atlantic, or is WTOP's null not THAT deep to the west?

>
> > 1560 WQEW New York, NY
>
> LOL!! When I lived in Central Jersey it was a miracle you
> could receive a fair signal when they were WQXR-AM and later
> when they adopted the Standards format as WQEW

I heard them fairly clearly if I remember correctly last time I was in Virginia a few years ago.

>
> > 1570 KPRO Riverside, CA - would like a more consistent
> > reliable signal 7:30am-8am Sundays. Interference from
> 1550
> > XEBG Tijuana, 1560 KNZR Bakersfield, 1570 XERF Ciudad
> > Acu~na, 1580 KBLA Santa Monica, and 1580 KMIK Tempe makes
> it
> > difficult.
>
> Yes you can get them esp daytime, but WHY?

There's a program or two I like to listen to on that station, and it has better audio quality on the air than the online stream.

>
> > 1660 KXOL Brigham City, UT
>
> Used to be good before being interfered with by KTIQ Merced

Directional antenna, anyone?

>
>
> Too bad you weren't around in the 60's wings, when AM DX was
> fantastic!
>
> In Central New Jersey I was able to regularly pull in KFI
> during the winter months after WHLO Akron OH signed off.
> That was before Radio Havana started interfering heavily.
> Actually one summer heard part of a Dodgers game with Vin
> Scully at the mike. Those were the days before IBOC hash,
> X-band and a zillion daytime stations getting nighttime
> authority :>)
>

Most important catches I want to be able to hear (including a couple I failed to mention above) are:
one of: KPRO 1570 Riverside, CA 7:30am-8:00am PT Sunday, KTPI 1340 Lancaster, CA 7:30am-8:00am PT Sunday
one of: WFAX 1220 Washington, DC (correct COL?) 9:00am-9:15am ET Saturday, WXGI 950 Richmond, VA 10:45-11:00am ET Sunday
VOCM 590 St John(s?), NFLD 8:45-9:00am Newfoundland time Sunday
Clark Howard live (10am-1pm ET)
Radio Disney in AM Stereo 24/7 (is KDDZ Arvada/Denver, CO still C-Quam?)
as many different baseball play by play team broadcasts as possible, especially teams not in the NL west or AL west. (also, are there any winter baseball broadcasts on the air anywhere (even if I have to listen in espa~nol?))
an oldies (to early 60s, especially 50s) C-Quam station 24/7. (for the AM Stereo stations, I would use an SRF-42 for reception.)

if possible, every station that I can hear at night with my radio's built-in antenna (including pre-sunrise and post-sunset twilight path), I'd like to be able to hear midday (10am-2pm depending on where the station is - later for stations west of me, earlier for stations east of me) with a good loop. Also, if possible, I'd like a loop directional enough to make the graveyard channels sound like clear channels.
 
> You may be right about saturation. I have several locals

How far are you from the local transmitters?

> Some stations I want to DX are:
> 610 KEAR San Francisco, CA (have heard sometimes at night,
> but would like to be able to get daytime out from under KAVL
> Lancaster and 600's IBOC hash)

A problem with loops is that they have only one null. You can null one source of interference, but you can't null two (or more) without far more complex solutions.

> 750 WSB Atlanta, GA - so I can listen to Clark Howard live
> 1p-4p ET

I've heard 600-mile DX at high noon, but only on VERY rare days. Maybe two, three times a year. (even if propagation did permit, I'd bet this one would be impossible due to closer 750 stations like Utah, Nevada, El Paso)

> 780 WBBM Chicago - Cubs games. Out from under 760 and KKOH
> Reno, NV.

Not going to be doable during the day, but now that the Cubs play at night... but I thought they were on WGN?

760 shouldn't be a problem on any decent radio, unless you live near the 760 transmitter. (<10 miles)

> 1090 WBAL Baltimore, MD - under local 1090

This one is directional at night, protecting KAAY Little Rock. If VERY lucky you might get reception during the brief period shortly after sunrise in Baltimore. Except then the interference (from KAAY and, especially, Western stations) will kill them.

> 1240 KALY Albuquerque, NM - Radio Disney (have local on 1240
> too)

1230/1240/1340/1400/1450/1490 are Class C ("graveyard") frequencies with far more stations (especially at night) than adjacent channels. DXers consider these frequencies a special challenge; 300-mile DX on 1240 ranks up with 1,500-mile DX on 1250...

> 1500 KSTP St Paul, MN
> 1500 WTOP Washington, DC

The latter is directional at night, protecting the former. I'd think KSTP would be quite possible nighttime (+/- interference from closer stations) but WTOP, like WBAL, is probably a pipe dream.

> Would a narrower tuning very directional (for example WISN's
> nighttime pattern) loop help at all?

The mechanism by which loops achieve directivity is very different from that by which transmitting antennas like WISN's accomplish it. So are the patterns obtained. A loop receives equally well in most directions, but has one narrow direction in which it receives VERY poorly. The idea, of course, is to point that direction of poor reception at the interfering station that you don't want to get.
 
A couple of antennas you may want to look at...

An EWE Antenna
a K9AY antenna

Do a Google search and you will find all sorts of info.

Let me know if you get our WISN!


> > > adjacent-channel to some I'd like to DX, and they are
> > > inaudible even with a select-a-tenna.
> >
> > Select-A-Tenna is just about 14 inches - hardly a DX loop
> at
> > all. For real DX, you need several feet. I use my 2 foot
>
> > loop just to peak in stations 200 to 300 miles away, not
> for
> > any serious DX.
> >
> > There is one possible problem with your location - loop
> > saturation. If several strong local station saturate your
>
> > loop, it will be able to absorb no more magnetic energy by
>
> > definition. I have that problem in Dallas - loops that
> > bring in 1000 mile DX with ease in Lubbock, TX barely do
> any
> > good here. Too many locals.
> >
>
> You may be right about saturation. I have several locals
> that when I peak the SAT , they splatter as follows with a
> fairly strong signal on my Panasonic (note that the
> panasonic is a little asymmetrical, with the high side
> having slightly poorer selectivity):
> 600 from 570 to 650, 690 from 660 to 740, 760 (nighttime
> 50kW) from 710 to 860, 910 from 870 to 950, 1130 from 1090
> to 1190, 1170 from 1140 to 1230, 1210 from 1190 to 1240,
> 1360 from 1320 to 1410, 1470 from 1440 to 1510, 1630 from
> 1610 to 1660, 1700 from 1670 to 1710 (my radio's tuning
> stops there).
> Those are the worst splatterers. All the above stations are
> audible with full noise quieting without the Select-A-Tenna.
> Other strong locals and semi-locals include 540, 640, 740,
> 800, 860, 950, 1040, 1070, 1090, 1240, 1270, 1310, 1420,
> 1470.
> Some stations I want to DX are:
> 560 KBLU Yuma, AZ (audible with SAT but faint)
> 610 KEAR San Francisco, CA (have heard sometimes at night,
> but would like to be able to get daytime out from under KAVL
> Lancaster and 600's IBOC hash)
> 620 KTAR Phoenix, AZ - would like a better null of XESS
> Rosarito for Clark Howard 9pm-mid Arizona Time
> 670 KBOI Boise, ID - I used to be able to hear it regularly
> at night, but not anymore due to them directionalizing so
> KIRN Simi Valley could up their nighttime power
> 680 KNBR San Francisco, CA - so I can listen to Giants day
> games during baseball season
> 740 KCBS San Francisco, CA - strong at night, is there ANY
> way to get it daytime out from under co-channel KBRT Avalon,
> CA?
> 750 WSB Atlanta, GA - so I can listen to Clark Howard live
> 1p-4p ET
> 780 WBBM Chicago - Cubs games. Out from under 760 and KKOH
> Reno, NV.
> 820 WBAP Ft Worth - interfered with by XEMVS Mexicali.
> 880 WCBS New York, NY - Yankees games (no, I don't have to
> be able to hear it at noon.)
> 1000 WMVP Chicago, IL
> 1020 KDKA Pittsburgh, PA
> 1040 WHO Des Moines, IA - local on 1040
> 1080 KRLD Dallas, TX - sandwiched between 1070 and 1090
> 1090 WBAL Baltimore, MD - under local 1090
> (note of omission: 1110 KDIS Pasadena, CA - now 5kHz IBOC
> daytime, no longer AM Stereo (sounds like 10kHz nighttime
> but I don't hear stereo there when I've been in their local
> coverage area in the last couple months.))
> 1120 KMOX St Louis, MO - or are the Cardinals no longer
> going to be on that station?
> 1140 WRVA Richmond, VA
> 1160 KSL Salt Lake City, UT - would it be possible daytime?
> 1210 KEBR Rocklin, CA - local on 1210 in San Marcos
> 1240 KALY Albuquerque, NM - Radio Disney (have local on 1240
> too)
> 1290 KKDD San Bernardino, CA - now that Santa Barbara has
> gone talk (I used to listen to KZSB (then KZBN)'s standards
> sometimes)
> 1500 KSTP St Paul, MN
> 1500 WTOP Washington, DC
> 1560 WQEW New York, NY
> 1570 KPRO Riverside, CA - would like a more consistent
> reliable signal 7:30am-8am Sundays. Interference from 1550
> XEBG Tijuana, 1560 KNZR Bakersfield, 1570 XERF Ciudad
> Acu~na, 1580 KBLA Santa Monica, and 1580 KMIK Tempe makes it
> difficult.
> 1580 KMIK Tempe, AZ - Disney - would like reliable daytime
> signal out from under KBLA Santa Monica
> 1610 - any recommended part 15 stations that are east of the
> Rockies? (or anywhere?)
> 1660 KXOL Brigham City, UT
> 1690 KDDZ Arvada, CO - would like a reliable AM Stereo Radio
> Disney 24/7.
>
> If I haven't mentioned all of them already, all MLB baseball
> games broadcast on their flagship stations.
> Would a loop be directional enough to pull in one or two
> stations at a time on a graveyard channel?
>
> Would a narrower tuning very directional (for example WISN's
> nighttime pattern) loop help at all?
>
> Also, have you been able to get the Radio Disney on 1690
> from Denver with your loops from your location?
>
> One quick addendum about the saturation - a few months ago I
> went to Borrego springs for a couple hours at midday. I was
> able to hear 700 from Salt Lake City there, but here, 690
> splatters way too much. Also, getting 680 from San
> Francisco in the daytime is EXTREMELY rare here, but I have
> done it a couple times. The most likely consistent DX
> daytimers with my SAT are KFBK Sacramento and KMIK Tempe.
>
 
> > You may be right about saturation. I have several locals
>
> How far are you from the local transmitters?

from 5 to 10 miles or so.

>
> > Some stations I want to DX are:
> > 610 KEAR San Francisco, CA (have heard sometimes at night,
>
> > but would like to be able to get daytime out from under
> KAVL
> > Lancaster and 600's IBOC hash)
>
> A problem with loops is that they have only one null. You
> can null one source of interference, but you can't null two
> (or more) without far more complex solutions.

Would multiple loops work?

>
> > 750 WSB Atlanta, GA - so I can listen to Clark Howard live
>
> > 1p-4p ET
>
> I've heard 600-mile DX at high noon, but only on VERY rare
> days. Maybe two, three times a year. (even if propagation
> did permit, I'd bet this one would be impossible due to
> closer 750 stations like Utah, Nevada, El Paso)

It doesn't HAVE to be WSB. I just want to hear Clark Howard live, cause often I'm not always near a computer, and also often don't want to be tethered to one (and the neighbors (and of course my family) would be upset if I cranked up the speakers so I could hear it clearly 1/4 mile away.)

>
> > 780 WBBM Chicago - Cubs games. Out from under 760 and
> KKOH
> > Reno, NV.
>
> Not going to be doable during the day, but now that the Cubs
> play at night... but I thought they were on WGN?

If they are, then that one, although KDWN Las Vegas might make it a little difficult.

>
> 760 shouldn't be a problem on any decent radio, unless you
> live near the 760 transmitter. ( 1090 WBAL Baltimore, MD -
> under local 1090
>
> This one is directional at night, protecting KAAY Little
> Rock. If VERY lucky you might get reception during the
> brief period shortly after sunrise in Baltimore. Except
> then the interference (from KAAY and, especially, Western
> stations) will kill them.
>
> > 1240 KALY Albuquerque, NM - Radio Disney (have local on
> 1240
> > too)
>
> 1230/1240/1340/1400/1450/1490 are Class C ("graveyard")
> frequencies with far more stations (especially at night)
> than adjacent channels. DXers consider these frequencies a
> special challenge; 300-mile DX on 1240 ranks up with
> 1,500-mile DX on 1250...

I've done Albuquerque to San Diego on 1240. That was with the local 1240 on the air - just with a carrier only.

>
> > 1500 KSTP St Paul, MN
> > 1500 WTOP Washington, DC
>
> The latter is directional at night, protecting the former.
> I'd think KSTP would be quite possible nighttime (+/-
> interference from closer stations) but WTOP, like WBAL, is
> probably a pipe dream.
>
> > Would a narrower tuning very directional (for example
> WISN's
> > nighttime pattern) loop help at all?
>
> The mechanism by which loops achieve directivity is very
> different from that by which transmitting antennas like
> WISN's accomplish it. So are the patterns obtained. A loop
> receives equally well in most directions, but has one narrow
> direction in which it receives VERY poorly. The idea, of
> course, is to point that direction of poor reception at the
> interfering station that you don't want to get.
>
 
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