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New HD Subchannels

I heard a discussion of Mexican soccer on KESN-HD2 this evening, so I assume that is ESPN Deportes?

Amusingly, country KPLX's HD2 is some sort of AAA/Hot AC.
KLLI-FM (Live 105.3) is running Spanish language music on their HD2

Any other non-Clear Channel/CBS HD2 or HD3's out there that I was previously unaware of?
 
Yeah, the Bone is just playing their entire hard drive from a-z on their HD-2...the signal is really weak!!!!
 
Don't get upset here, but I've said it before and I'll say it now. Won't Latinos be the last to purchase HD radio's??? I'm surprised they spent the money to even do it on 107-9.
 
HighDef said:
Don't get upset here, but I've said it before and I'll say it now. Won't Latinos be the last to purchase HD radio's??? I'm surprised they spent the money to even do it on 107-9.

Saying "won't Latinos be the last..." is like saying "won't whites be the last..."

There is no single Hispanic income level, lifesyle or characteristic EXCEPT speaking Spanish now or as part of the family heritage.

Hispanics have $1 trillion in spending power, and those in the groups that like to be trend setters are as responsive to technology as anyone else if it has some benefit to them. It's about conteent. Build it and they will come. Now that there is more Spanish content on the web for US Hispanics, we find usage of the web up by more than double compared to two years ago... think content.

Univision is about half way through converting stations to HD, with just over 30 on the air. Like the Tejano offering, it allows formats that can't fit into the existing stations to be provided, and there are a bunch of alternatives in all the major Hispanic markets.

Why would you think Hispanics would not want HD-2 offerings that are not currently available?
 
OldGringo said:
Univision is about half way through converting stations to HD, with just over 30 on the air.

Does Univision have a listing somewhere of the HD2 offerings? Particularly interested in Texas markets.
 
Mediafrog+ said:
Does Univision have a listing somewhere of the HD2 offerings? Particularly interested in Texas markets.

I can check... will be out for bit of eye repair tomorrow, and if I can read tuesday, I will get the data for you.
 
I'll throw a bucket of cold water on this whole discussion: I'm not sure HD radio will last. I hope it will, but the sales effort on the radio manufacturer side has been awful.

I've been into several Radio Shacks to look at the Boston Acoustics set and I've never been able to actually hear an HD station. Somehow the set is just not quite fixed up right to get the signal - let alone and HD2 or HD3 program. The sales people are always clueless about why it doesn't work. One even told me that he thought the difference between FM and HD FM was minimal. Meanwhile, Sirius satellite radio is always sitting right next to the HD display and all of those sets work great.

I keep reading that more sets will be available soon and that the price will drop. I'll believe it when I see it. I just hope that when they come out with these new radios that the sales people are better trained at using them and selling them. Until that happens, HD radio will have poor sales and few listeners.
 


And along in about a year or 2 those deals that XM and Sirius made to be installed as standard equipment in new cars are going to end...And GM and the rest will have to decide if they want to continue to put sat radio in cars or if they want to go with something else (HD anyone?) or just go back to old fashioned am and fm...
Right now XM and sirius are both paying to get put in cars...and incidentally both are burning through money at a ridiculous rate...sooner or later something's gotta give...

HD will last because all the major groups have already upgraded equipment, etc, and can all run formats jockless if need be, so HD can be done on the cheap as complementary formats...

The question is will Sirius and XM still both be around in 5 years to compete with terrestial radio...
 
Yes. Why get satellite when you can enjoy over 200 local channels for free? Hence the reason behind HD. I dont care if HD is immensely profitable. It puts its competition on satellite, the new technology that wants to stomp radio. If you are in radio, you have to support HD.
 
And much like the Comcast/DirecTV battle, it is the one who advertises that wins. HD is supported by radio stations. We use our inventory to sell HD. Satellite does not have that advantage so they are on a tougher road. I see satellite/XM collapsing, but who knows.
 
There's a market for sat radio, but I don't think there's enough to support 2 competitors...I see either XM or Sirius buying out the other...
 
How many of the present DFW HD signals are overprocessed, just like the analog signal?

R
 
tested said:
I'll throw a bucket of cold water on this whole discussion: I'm not sure HD radio will last. I hope it will, but the sales effort on the radio manufacturer side has been awful.

I've been into several Radio Shacks to look at the Boston Acoustics set and I've never been able to actually hear an HD station. Somehow the set is just not quite fixed up right to get the signal - let alone and HD2 or HD3 program. The sales people are always clueless about why it doesn't work. One even told me that he thought the difference between FM and HD FM was minimal. Meanwhile, Sirius satellite radio is always sitting right next to the HD display and all of those sets work great.

I keep reading that more sets will be available soon and that the price will drop. I'll believe it when I see it. I just hope that when they come out with these new radios that the sales people are better trained at using them and selling them. Until that happens, HD radio will have poor sales and few listeners.
My HD buying experience was amusing or horrifying - depending on how you look at it. I bought my Receptor HD at Radio Shack and they had Sirius plugged into its external input to demo it.

They were using the rat tail antenna inside a concrete and metal building and you could barely receive the analog broadcasts - much less HD.

Interestingly, the unit was set up about half-way back in the store and the satellite stuff worked fine. Apparently they have some sort of outside antenna for that.

If the HD Radio Alliance was serious about getting the public perception right, they would offer to install outdoor antennas at all HD retailers. iBiquity could pony up a few bucks and contract some engineering assistants to do it in each market.
 
Robert Bass said:
How many of the present DFW HD signals are overprocessed, just like the analog signal?

R
I wouldn't ask that - it's sure to spark a debate and it probably won't be pretty.

I will say this though, I've gotta think mobile listeners would prefer that the processing for the main HD channel be as similar to the processing for the analog signal as possible. It would be rather annoying for your radio to be blending back and forth with radical changes in apparent volume.

Of course, this isn't an issue for the sub-channels.
 
You can't process HD like you do analog...starting with the pre-emphasis you don't need it or would ever want to use it with HD (Although KBOC did for over a year!) Purists will love it!
 
Exactly

However, compression can still be used, and abused. I think the correct amount of AGC and maybe a tad bit of limiting is really all that’s necessary on the HD signals. But too much of any processing on HD, to make the analog/HD blend less noticeable, totally voids the concept of HD.

My $0.02 worth

R
 
ElCheapo said:
tested said:
I'll throw a bucket of cold water on this whole discussion: I'm not sure HD radio will last. I hope it will, but the sales effort on the radio manufacturer side has been awful.

I've been into several Radio Shacks to look at the Boston Acoustics set and I've never been able to actually hear an HD station. Somehow the set is just not quite fixed up right to get the signal - let alone and HD2 or HD3 program. The sales people are always clueless about why it doesn't work. One even told me that he thought the difference between FM and HD FM was minimal. Meanwhile, Sirius satellite radio is always sitting right next to the HD display and all of those sets work great.

I keep reading that more sets will be available soon and that the price will drop. I'll believe it when I see it. I just hope that when they come out with these new radios that the sales people are better trained at using them and selling them. Until that happens, HD radio will have poor sales and few listeners.
My HD buying experience was amusing or horrifying - depending on how you look at it. I bought my Receptor HD at Radio Shack and they had Sirius plugged into its external input to demo it.

They were using the rat tail antenna inside a concrete and metal building and you could barely receive the analog broadcasts - much less HD.

Interestingly, the unit was set up about half-way back in the store and the satellite stuff worked fine. Apparently they have some sort of outside antenna for that.

If the HD Radio Alliance was serious about getting the public perception right, they would offer to install outdoor antennas at all HD retailers. iBiquity could pony up a few bucks and contract some engineering assistants to do it in each market.

Can you say Quad-fm and AM Stereo? :(
 
little1 said:
There's a market for sat radio, but I don't think there's enough to support 2 competitors...I see either XM or Sirius buying out the other...


EVEN THOUGH SATCASTER HAVE A DISADVANTAGE AS FAR AS BRING US LOCAL NEWS IN A TIMELY MANNER, I THINK THEY ARE AN INVESTMENT. THE TRUCK DRIVER SHOULD BE WELL SERVED BUY XM AND SIRIUS RADIO. I WOULD NOT HAVE SPENT A LOT OF DOLLARS TO BECOME STANDARD EQUIPMENT IN REGUALR CONSUMER VEHICLES. I WOULD HAVE FOCUSED MY DOLLARS ON RENTAL CAR COMPANIES, AND AFTER MARKET SALES. IF YOU ARE A DIE HARD MUSIC LOVER THEN SAT RADIO SHOULD BE YOUR BEST BET. THEY DO HAVE TRUE VARIETY, SOMETHING THAT TODAYS SAME SONGS IN THE SAME ORDER EVERY 3 HOURS RADIO STATIONS ARE GIVING US. I HAVE XM AND I LOVE IT BECAUSE I LOVE THE HIP HOP CLASSICS CHANNEL. NO BROADCASTER WILL EVER TRY A 24/7 HIP HOP CLASSIC STATION, EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE A MARKET FOR IT....
 
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