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The marketing push is starting. Here's the new website from the "HD Alliance":

http://www.hdradio.com/index.php<P ID="signature">______________
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> The marketing push is starting. Here's the new website from
> the "HD Alliance":
>
> http://www.hdradio.com/index.php
>

This has been up for at least a week or two now, actually. I've been visiting it regularly. :)

I signed up for "Club HD," but I haven't gotten anything from it yet. It should be interesting.
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A 16-year-old radio geek!</P>
 
I was ill impressed with how their here, any way!<P ID="signature">______________
Proud 2 B a pioneering satellite radio subs¢riber
Ai4i is always on the trailing edge of technology
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> I was ill impressed with how their format station list
> believes the FM band begins at 92.1MHz, but I signed up
> here, any way!
>


so whats the big deal. the site has nothing to offer..at all..that wasnt already up somewhere else. and still hardly anyone even knows it exists outside the radio industry itself.<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by smashedcd on 02/14/06 01:49 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> ...harly
> anyone even knows it exists outside the radio industry
> itself.
>

At least good'ole Harly knows about it!
Didn't Harly add an "E" to his, her, or its name and join with Davidson?
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Ai4i is always on the trailing edge of technology
______________</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by ai4i on 02/14/06 01:26 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> so whats the big deal. the site has nothing to offer..at
> all..that wasnt already up somewhere else. and still harly
> anyone even knows it exists outside the radio industry
> itself.

Gives the stations an easy website address to give out over the air for listeners to get more info. Makes a bolder statement when you've got a dozen or more stations in one market plugging the same web address, rather than each individual station telling you to go their own website "to find out where you can get more info." They'll probably eventually run HD Radio spots in place of those "Radio... You shouldn't have to pay for it" spots.<P ID="signature">______________
D. Stroyer
Celebrating 10 years of idle radio message board speculation.</P>
 
> > I was ill impressed with how their format station list
> > believes the FM band begins at 92.1MHz, but I signed up
> > here, any way!
> >
>
>
> so whats the big deal. the site has nothing to offer..at
> all..that wasnt already up somewhere else. and still hardly
> anyone even knows it exists outside the radio industry
> itself.
>

Won't be that way for long...<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> > > I was ill impressed with how their format station list
> > > believes the FM band begins at 92.1MHz, but I signed up
> > > here, any way!
> > >
> >
> >
> > so whats the big deal. the site has nothing to offer..at
> > all..that wasnt already up somewhere else. and still
> hardly
> > anyone even knows it exists outside the radio industry
> > itself.
> >
>
> Won't be that way for long...
>
yea i remember hearing that back in 85 when wnoe am 1060 went stereo..they were gonna rise to the top again when everyone discovered am stereo..didnt happen. they are now dollar a holler...in am stereo :)<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
> > I was ill impressed with how their format station list
> > believes the FM band begins at 92.1MHz, but I signed up
> > here, any way!
> >
>
>
> so whats the big deal. the site has nothing to offer..at
> all..that wasnt already up somewhere else. and still hardly
> anyone even knows it exists outside the radio industry
> itself.
>

And in 1966 no one knew about FM radio........
 
> This has been up for at least a week or two now, actually.
> I've been visiting it regularly. :)
>
> I signed up for "Club HD," but I haven't gotten anything
> from it yet. It should be interesting.

Your decoder ring is in the mail. It's very large, as are the receivers, and must be delivered by freight.

Rich
 
> The marketing push is starting. Here's the new website from
> the "HD Alliance":
>
> http://www.hdradio.com/index.php

Very disappointing that Jabba the HD and the HD Dominion are using the term "CD Quality." I would have hoped they'd have the integrity to be honest about what it can do.

Having had a radio (a very good one) this ain't no CD Quality on FM or AM unless the Red Book standards have been changed. It's "entertainment quality" which, for most people would be perfectly OK. especially in a car environment. Misrepresenting a product is usually not a good way to launch it.

Since most of today's car radios have CD players how long will listeners be snookered when they play a CD and find a dramatic imcrease in quality? If you're going to misrepresent something it's best not to have the real thing a button push away. I wonder how many cars will come back to the dealer because the radio is "defective." "Radio doesn't sound anything like my CDs. Fix it." "I'm sorry Mr. $73,000+ BMW owner with the very expensive sound system, I can't do anything about it. Can I offer you a free CD changer to make you less angry?"

Since 128KBPS MP3 qualifies as CD Quality I guess we should have expected it. Is Herb Tarlek, Jr. the webmaster and head of marketing? When did honesty go out of style?

Rich
 
I had a AM FM factory installed radio in my 1964 Ford Galaxy 500 convertible. AFC didnt work well, it drifted, but back in those days, the AM still sounded almost HIFI, and there was little audio difference between AM and FM except powerline and static noise.

Wish I still had the car....

> >
>
> And in 1966 no one knew about FM radio........
>
 
At least AM stereo never claimed to be CD quality.... AMAX = IBOC

> > > > I was ill impressed with how their format station list
>
> > > > believes the FM band begins at 92.1MHz, but I signed
> up
> > > > here, any way!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > so whats the big deal. the site has nothing to offer..at
>
> > > all..that wasnt already up somewhere else. and still
> > hardly
> > > anyone even knows it exists outside the radio industry
> > > itself.
> > >
> >
> > Won't be that way for long...
> >
> yea i remember hearing that back in 85 when wnoe am 1060
> went stereo..they were gonna rise to the top again when
> everyone discovered am stereo..didnt happen. they are now
> dollar a holler...in am stereo :)
>
 
> > The marketing push is starting. Here's the new website
> from
> > the "HD Alliance":
> >
> > http://www.hdradio.com/index.php
>
> Very disappointing that Jabba the HD and the HD Dominion are
> using the term "CD Quality." I would have hoped they'd have
> the integrity to be honest about what it can do.
>
> Having had a radio (a very good one) this ain't no CD
> Quality on FM or AM unless the Red Book standards have been
> changed. It's "entertainment quality" which, for most people
> would be perfectly OK. especially in a car environment.
> Misrepresenting a product is usually not a good way to
> launch it.
>
> Since most of today's car radios have CD players how long
> will listeners be snookered when they play a CD and find a
> dramatic imcrease in quality? If you're going to
> misrepresent something it's best not to have the real thing
> a button push away. I wonder how many cars will come back to
> the dealer because the radio is "defective." "Radio doesn't
> sound anything like my CDs. Fix it." "I'm sorry Mr. $73,000+
> BMW owner with the very expensive sound system, I can't do
> anything about it. Can I offer you a free CD changer to make
> you less angry?"
>
> Since 128KBPS MP3 qualifies as CD Quality I guess we should
> have expected it. Is Herb Tarlek, Jr. the webmaster and head
> of marketing? When did honesty go out of style?
>
> Rich
>

Sirius and XM, anyone?<P ID="signature">______________
16-year-old radio geek.</P>
 
> > Since 128KBPS MP3 qualifies as CD Quality I guess we
> should
> > have expected it. Is Herb Tarlek, Jr. the webmaster and
> head
> > of marketing? When did honesty go out of style?
> >
> > Rich
> >
>
> Sirius and XM, anyone?
>

Even many of today's CD's are mastered as such so they don't sound "CD quality."
 
> Sirius and XM, anyone?

I have both of XM's and Sirius's very first brochures and neither mentioned "CD-quality sound"; they have always used the meaningless term "digital-quality sound". However, they never did anything to correct third-party sources which inaccurately touted Sirius and XM as having "CD-quality sound".

The difference here is that while in official FCC documentation, iBiquity clearly disclaims FM IBOC as having "near-CD-quality" audio and AM IBOC as having "near-FM-quality" audio, this new iBiquity site removes the "near-" and lets the incorrect descriptions come out of their own internal marketing department. I'm surprised that they don't call it "High-Definition Radio", even though that's not what "HD Radio" actually stands for.
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> I had a AM FM factory installed radio in my 1964 Ford Galaxy
> 500 convertible. AFC didnt work well, it drifted, but back
> in those days, the AM still sounded almost HIFI, and there
> was little audio difference between AM and FM except
> powerline and static noise.
>
> Wish I still had the car....
>
> > >
> >
> > And in 1966 no one knew about FM radio........
> >
>

That is a very good point. Modern AM radios are (mostly because of cost) made with a much narrower passable range. If you've ever sat at an AM transmitter site with a HiFi monitor, you would be surprised at the true fidelity hidden in analog AM.

I remember a Clear Channel mandate that all CC AM's limit bandwidth and only transmit 5Khz. I wonder how many stations actually did that ļ

-R.E.<P ID="signature">______________
If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything...</P>
 
> That is a very good point. Modern AM radios are (mostly
> because of cost) made with a much narrower passable range.
> If you've ever sat at an AM transmitter site with a HiFi
> monitor, you would be surprised at the true fidelity hidden
> in analog AM.

Indeed. That's why IBOC is a Rube Goldberg way to get HiFi AM (or FM, for that matter). WLW 700 AM achieved better-than-*FM* audio fidelity (as judged by audio engineers and listeners) back in the 1950s. They "vetted" all of their for-airplay records and audio transcription discs for sound quality (audio level, bass and treble, etc.) and grouped records & discs with similar qualites together. Then they carefully tweaked every step in the audio chain from turntable to transmitter to optimize the audio quality from each group of records and discs and recorded the switch and knob settings on each piece of audio processing equipment. In this way they achieved uniformly excellent audio fidelity. With existing modern programmable audio processors and better AM receivers (made like Sangean, Fanfare, and Lennox still do), analog AM can and does sound that good today. -- JasonW
 
> > > I was ill impressed with how their format station list
> > > believes the FM band begins at 92.1MHz, but I signed up
> > > here, any way!
> > >
> >
> >
> > so whats the big deal. the site has nothing to offer..at
> > all..that wasnt already up somewhere else. and still
> hardly
> > anyone even knows it exists outside the radio industry
> > itself.
> >
>
> And in 1966 no one knew about FM radio........
>
Yes they did, they just didn't know how to hook up an antenna to the back of the radio!
 
> That is a very good point. Modern AM radios are (mostly
> because of cost) made with a much narrower passable range.
> If you've ever sat at an AM transmitter site with a HiFi
> monitor, you would be surprised at the true fidelity hidden
> in analog AM.
>
> I remember a Clear Channel mandate that all CC AM's limit
> bandwidth and only transmit 5Khz. I wonder how many
> stations actually did that ļ
>
> -R.E.
>
Or just listen with a GE Superradio 3 in wideband AM mode, if you can find a station which hasn't reduced its bandwidth to allow it to transmit IBOC hash.

Yes, I remember a couple years ago a big deal being made by one of CC's engineers about wanting to mandate 5 kHz BW for AM, and stating it had "nothing to do" with IBOC, then trotting out some line about "interference" between 560 AM in Philly and 570 in Washington, DC, due to their conforming with the 10 kHz NRSC spec. A big deal was made about reducing these station's BW to 5 kHz "to increase coverage" in the fringe areas between the stations. Since most if not all CC AMs have now added IBOC, it begs the question what type of fringe coverage these two stations NOW have, compared to what they had under the 10kHz NRSC spec...
 
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