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New Jersey Arbitron Ratings Public Reports Become Irrelevant !!!

Arbitron has announced that it will only publicly report ratings for stations that subscribe to its service. Since most big commercial stations subscribe, and some public stations do too, through a non-profit organization, you might expect to see some, but not many stations drop off the report list.

But, look at the latest Middlesex-Somerset-Union ratings, and the whole list is down to four stations. Apparently, what Arbitron means is that if stations don't subscribe to a specific list you won't see ratings for them.

That means local New Jersey stations don't appear on the bigger New York list, and New York stations no longer show up in the local ratings in the New Jersey suburbs.

So, for discussion purposes the New Jersey lists have become irrelevant, since they only show the local stations, and ignore the ratings of the metro stations that might have much larger audiences in the local area.
 
TimeIsTight said:
So, for discussion purposes the New Jersey lists have become irrelevant, since they only show the local stations, and ignore the ratings of the metro stations that might have much larger audiences in the local area.

A. You're assuming the NY or Philly station wouldn't pay to show up on the NJ market list.
B. You're forgetting the AC/CMC market where there's almost virtually no overlap of Philly stations, and NO NY stations
C. Who is it irrelevant to? The board hopping, radio-phile? I fail to see who would think it irrelevant from the station or advertiser standpoint.
 
A. You're assuming the NY or Philly station wouldn't pay to show up on the NJ market list.

Well, you can look at the new local market ratings and see for yourself, only the few local stations are listed. The big metro stations have never paid to be listed in the local ratings before, and there is no reason to believe they would want to now. They sell advertising spots with prices based on their total metro audience. They have nothing to gain by paying to be listed against "local" stations in embedded markets, like Morristown, or Middlesex-Somerset-Union, or in smaller adjacent markets like Sussex, Trenton, or parts of Monmouth-Ocean.

B. You're forgetting the AC/CMC market where there's almost virtually no overlap of Philly stations, and NO NY stations

You're right, it would have been more accurate to say "some" NJ "public" lists have become irrelevant. AC/CMC don't really have outside signals coming in with big numbers, but even some local stations may disappear from those lists because they don't subscribe for the full data. There are many AMs and a couple of FMs that no longer show in the New York ratings because they don't subscribe, chances are some lower budget stations in AC/CMC don't subscribe either.

C. Who is it irrelevant to? The board hopping, radio-phile? I fail to see who would think it irrelevant from the station or advertiser standpoint.

Remember, this change is for "publicly reported data," what's often referred to as "the beauty contest" 6+ 6-AM to Midnight.

Both the subscriber stations and advertisers should be using the full data base that they pay to use. That breaks out age demos, day parts etc. And that's how spot buying decisions are made. Using the free public data to help sell radio spots is illegal.

What has become irrelevant, especially in the local markets, is the "beauty contest" data that was made available free to the press and general public.

The best example is the embedded Morristown market in North Jersey, 25-miles from NYC, where most people regularly listen to NYC radio.

The local ratings will now be reported only for the "two" local stations that subscribe just for that market. So if you want to know what kind of music people in the area listen to on the radio, or what type of talk formats they follow, that is now a Big Secret.

There are embedded suburban markets in NJ where the #1 station is often from New York. Now that fact will be another Big Industry Secret. And when news outlets are writing stories on the popularity of various kinds of radio in local areas, they will only be able to authoritatively say "the most popular local station" because "the most popular station in the area" will be a trade secret and not made public. And the "most popular station in the local area" could come from New York or Philly which isn't "local."

So, if you used to have a list of 50-radio stations that people in an area listened to and now that list is down to only "two" or "three" or "four" stations that transmit locally, the information really is irrelevant. And some of these local stations were far down on their local lists all along, and now they will be number four even if almost no one is listening, because only four stations count.

It's not just the "board hopping, radio-phile" who is interested in radio ratings. There are numerous newspaper stories and columns, website blogs, and other news outlets that report on radio ratings regularly. If the public lists are only partial then they can't be accurate, and there's a greater chance that the public will be mislead or feel deceived. For years Arbitron has understood that the public relations situation benefited them and the radio industry, it would be interesting to know "why" they feel the need to kind of "cover up" now?
 
Arbitron is purely a subscriber-club for exposure metrics confirmation within a tightly defined methodology.

It does not measure listening or popularity of a radio presentation. It measures the size of a denominator as a
determination of a "probable" numerator!

This is a right-brain, business-matic outlook, and one should not expect them to measure the things that make radio great,
unless the luck is in the wind and the same things are novel, attractive, and popular of the moment

It's in no way a measurement of how "good" a station is, more like how good a member they are of the club they've decided
to associate with. In this case the club is the arbiter of rates for commercial airtime, so
it's really just Arbitron enforcing their own commercial reference data.

Many things become irrelevant because of a refusal to recognize change.
Metrics are always salable to the hopeful. Fortune tellers depend upon the hopeful.
Those who know what they're doing and believe in what and how they're doing do not need metrics in the same
way as those who are of the herd mentality.
 
Here's a question. In the PPM markets, what if all the non subscribers turned off their Arbitron boxes so that Aribitron could not get a reading on what they were doing? This could also affect M-Score.
 
In the PPM markets, what if all the non subscribers turned off their Arbitron boxes so that Aribitron could not get a reading on what they were doing? This could also affect M-Score.

Technically, yes, if stations that were feeding data to M-Score turned off Arbitron boxes there would be no more "music-played" data coming from that station.

Practically, no, if a station is in the fifteen PPM markets that offer M-Score, and it is participating and playing the kind of music that M-Score tracks, and it wants to use that data itself to select songs for airplay, then it probably is an Arbitron subscriber that uses ratings to sell spots, so it isn't likely to turn off its Arbitron box. Arbitron is too important to its business model in a number of ways.
 
Im just thinking subscribers might be using non-subscribers info.

Subscribers do have access to whatever data is collected about non-subscribers.

But if a station isn't subscribing, it probably isn't a competitive player, and the bigger guys wouldn't be paying that much attention to data from it anyway.

From a marketing perspective, the Media Monitors M-Score listener reaction data can be amazing. You can listen to a recording of what was playing on the air and watch listeners come and go in reaction to it. And you can know what other station's listeners were coming to you, and where your listeners go when you play something they don't particularly like. You are mostly going to focus on your own data, and if you do pay attention to other stations, it will be your rivals and major players in the market, not some small fry station that can't afford ratings to help sell its advertising. Don't forget this service is only available in Big PPM markets, where the big competitive stations are owned by big companies, with lots of resources and sophisticated staffs. In NYC, the commercial stations that don't subscribe are mostly AMs with one-twentieth the audience of the top FMs and don't play anything like the same kind of music.
 
The Winter 2012 ratings were released for Monmouth/Ocean today and because of the new rules, only 6 stations are listed ..
The 4 Press stations (WKMK, WWZY, WBBO & WHTG) and 2 Greater Media stations (WRAT/WJRZ) ..
Apparantly, Townsquare does not subscribe to Arbitron, as WOBM, etc are nowhere to be found ..
 
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