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New KAAM Website and Format?

Not That Anyone cares or anything...
But KAAM as updated its site. Now you can see carpenters,Abba,
Neil Diamond, Kenny Rogers, and a whole lot more i dont think ive ever heard of...
[im talking about the pictures of the artists that show up now].

Looks like KAAM is going More Oldies than Nostalgia...

http://www.kaamradio.com/
 
Yes! And under "ON-AIR PERSONALITIES," the names are attached with Virtual Velcro, for easy removal.
 
LibertyNT said:
Not That Anyone cares or anything...
But KAAM as updated its site. Now you can see carpenters,Abba,
Neil Diamond, Kenny Rogers, and a whole lot more i dont think ive ever heard of...
[im talking about the pictures of the artists that show up now].

Looks like KAAM is going More Oldies than Nostalgia...

http://www.kaamradio.com/

It's been like that
 
Things are looking up for 770, Jesuit high school football returns in a few weeks. I'm told that air time charge to the guys doing the game is obscene.
 
317C50KW said:
Things are looking up for 770, Jesuit high school football returns in a few weeks. I'm told that air time charge to the guys doing the game is obscene.

Are they going to change the weekend programming and put music on?
 
New website, same format

The website has changed but the format has not -- still a mix of standards and soft oldies mostly from the '50's, '60's and early '70's.

It seems more oldies were added during the time Chuck Brinkman was there.

But it is certainly not a clone of KLUV or even Platinum. Not when you still air "Big Band Jump", "Sounds of Sinatra", "Music from the Movies and Herman Bockelmann.

KAAM's ratings have been on a downhill slide for several years now.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
 
Re: New website, same format

oldmanradio said:
The website has changed but the format has not -- still a mix of standards and soft oldies mostly from the '50's, '60's and early '70's.

It seems more oldies were added during the time Chuck Brinkman was there.

But it is certainly not a clone of KLUV or even Platinum. Not when you still air "Big Band Jump", "Sounds of Sinatra", "Music from the Movies and Herman Bockelmann.

KAAM's ratings have been on a downhill slide for several years now.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams

In the mid 1980s, an oldies stations would be playing 50s and 60s music (20-30 years old music) and a nostalgia station playing 30s, 40s, and 50s music (30-50 year old music) to target their respective 25-54 and 55+ demos.

Over the years, people have complained about KLUV not playing "real oldies" and KAAM adding 70s music. As 2010 nears, wouldn't an oldies be playing 70s and 80s music and a nostalgia station playing music primarily from the 50s, 60s, and 70s to appeal those same age groups today?
 
Re: New website, same format

txchipk said:
oldmanradio said:
The website has changed but the format has not -- still a mix of standards and soft oldies mostly from the '50's, '60's and early '70's.

It seems more oldies were added during the time Chuck Brinkman was there.

But it is certainly not a clone of KLUV or even Platinum. Not when you still air "Big Band Jump", "Sounds of Sinatra", "Music from the Movies and Herman Bockelmann.

KAAM's ratings have been on a downhill slide for several years now.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams

In the mid 1980s, an oldies stations would be playing 50s and 60s music (20-30 years old music) and a nostalgia station playing 30s, 40s, and 50s music (30-50 year old music) to target their respective 25-54 and 55+ demos.

Over the years, people have complained about KLUV not playing "real oldies" and KAAM adding 70s music. As 2010 nears, wouldn't an oldies be playing 70s and 80s music and a nostalgia station playing music primarily from the 50s, 60s, and 70s to appeal those same age groups today?

Yes.

For example, a decade ago, KAAM played a lot of big band music. That has almost disappeared except for "Big Band Jump" which I mentioned.

In my opinion, KLUV has been too slow to add '80's music.

If KAAM were on FM, it might do a little better.

Maybe.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
 
I've been here for 4 years. Their Arbitron share has dropped 50% in that time period, and they only had a .8 to start with. If you program oldies, you really do have to make sure your play list is kept current. That a significant portion of KAAM's listeners die every year is problematic for them, but it doesn't seem they care about that. They make no effort to attract replacement listeners on the back end.

It seems to me to be more important to figure out the age groups you want to attract. Say 55 and older. So if that were the case, you'd be adding hits from 1972 when the current 55-year old were 18. And on the other end, you be cutting back the number of plays of hits from the 1930s-1940s.

For an example, why doesn't KAAM play the Bee Gees?

And for whatever reason do they think Herman Bockelmann's amusing? And the guy on one of weekend evenings with the loose false teeth?

I guess they haven't given any thought to why their sponsors are nursing homes, hearing aid companies, hospice groups and the like. Looks to me like their sponsors recognize a value of Audience Death, and appeal to it.
 
The problem with KAAM (and for that matter most, if not all, music radio) - is the fanatical tendency to pidgeon-hole audiences by age - as if age has anything to do with musical tastes. It doesn't and never has. Case in point - does anyone 30 or older listen to the same music they listened to when they were 14?

And don't hand me that c--p, "Well, that's the way Arbitron does it."

Let's take the ever-important 25-54. What possible relevance does a 25 year old's tastes have in common with someone who's 50+?

Unless you're some 50+ Sugar Daddy trying to attract a sweet, young hot thing in her mid 20's showing her how "with it" you are - there is no relevance. I'll use myself as an example:

I was born in 1957, the year of Elvis, I grew up during the 60's & 70's. By all right, I should be all about everything from the Beatles to the BeeGees. In the 1980's, Country Music was the rage. Yet, the music I prefer is the music of the big band era. An era of popular music whose popularity ended in 1949 - eight years before I was born!

When I did the Big Band request show on Sunday nights on KAAM for THREE YEARS, my requests came in from listeners of ALL ages from the 80-something WWll veterans who you would expect to people in their teens and twenties who'd recently discovered the music. My youngest listener was 7. To be sure, there were less WWll generation calling, but they'd been replaced by others who, like me, discovered the music later.

I strongly disagreed with McCoy when he offered up that cacamamie tripe that someone who is 55 today was 18 in 1972 so we should be playing more 60's & 70's music, no '30's and a lot less 40's. POPPYCOCK!

And this other bit of prevailing "wisdom" that as the WWll generation dies out - so does big band popularity. MORE POPPYCOCK!

When the Dallas Symphony performs a program of Mozart to a capacity house at the Myerson - NOT ONE of the attendees is 300 years old saying, "You fellas play the Magic Flute just like Wolfy did when I heard it in Vienna in 1791!"

It's really very simple. Quality is quality is quality. The steak is better at Bob's Steak and Chop House than at a Western Sizzlin'. Logic dictates that music that had a broad appeal from the public in 1940 WILL find an audience in 2009. Greatness is perennial. Music is timeless. The key is the presentaion.

Which is just part of the reason this current incarnation of KAAM is sliding. The point of no return really came with the introduction of the dull-as-dirt info-merical - The Andrews Alert.

This programming blunder aired for over a year weekdays at 11:00 AM for 10 minutes, with a Friday infomercial from 11-11:30. Shortly after I was hired to do middays, mercifully Andrews Alert went away. But by then, the damage had been done. Even McCoy (AA not his idea) pointed out, "Can you imagine KVIL of KLUV interrupting their music formats in the middle of the day to run this thing?!"

In fact, as I said often to co-workers when I was there, "Tweaking the music instead of addressing the real problem (which is the weekend info-mericals & sports programming) is like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic!"

That and more vociferous comments on my part led to my firing. I may be out of a job - but I wasn't wrong. KAAM has lost listeners and sponsors who no longer got results. Is there any wonder why?

Music formatted stations overall are experiencing the same conditions to greater or lesser extents. Until they start to serve the public interest and listen to their listeners, the downward trend will continue.

CrBig Band
 
crbigband said:
The problem with KAAM (and for that matter most, if not all, music radio) - is the fanatical tendency to pidgeon-hole audiences by age - as if age has anything to do with musical tastes. It doesn't and never has. Case in point - does anyone 30 or older listen to the same music they listened to when they were 14?

And don't hand me that c--p, "Well, that's the way Arbitron does it."

Let's take the ever-important 25-54. What possible relevance does a 25 year old's tastes have in common with someone who's 50+?
None. But no one is seriously programming radio stations to appeal to 25 year olds AND 54 year olds. We're programming them for smaller 'cells' within that demographic, but that 25-54 arbitron breakout is the one that most advertisers care about, so that's the one that gets talked about.

I was born in 1957, the year of Elvis, I grew up during the 60's & 70's. By all right, I should be all about everything from the Beatles to the BeeGees. In the 1980's, Country Music was the rage. Yet, the music I prefer is the music of the big band era. An era of popular music whose popularity ended in 1949 - eight years before I was born!
And don't you think it's possible that you are the exception rather than the rule? Go see a 'classic rock artist' (pick one) and odds are the audience is late 40-s and 50's. Go see Counting Crows or Foo Fighters and odds are the bulk of the audience is in their 30's. "Fiddy-Cent" or some new rap artist? teens and 20's. Are there exceptions, sure, but IN GENERAL, musical tastes fit into generalized age groupings.

When I did the Big Band request show on Sunday nights on KAAM for THREE YEARS, my requests came in from listeners of ALL ages from the 80-something WWll veterans who you would expect to people in their teens and twenties who'd recently discovered the music. My youngest listener was 7. To be sure, there were less WWll generation calling, but they'd been replaced by others who, like me, discovered the music later.
Okay, how MANY 7 year olds do you think you had listening? It's called BROADCASTING for a reason- you're trying to get as BROAD an audience as you can. Which means playing music that is going to appeal to as many people as possible.

I strongly disagreed with McCoy when he offered up that cacamamie tripe that someone who is 55 today was 18 in 1972 so we should be playing more 60's & 70's music, no '30's and a lot less 40's. POPPYCOCK!
If you're trying to appeal to as broad an audience as you can, it's not poppycock.

And this other bit of prevailing "wisdom" that as the WWll generation dies out - so does big band popularity. MORE POPPYCOCK!
In the early 90's KAAM used to do big band concerts-when was the last time you heard about the Benny Goodman band, the Tommy Dorsey orchestra, etc etc touring? When was the last gig that Glenn miller did in this town? (and yes, i know he's dead, that's the point) And If I remeber correctly, KAAM's ratings now are nowhere close to what they were getting when they were originally on 1310.
What evidence do you have, (besides anecdotal evidence), that big band popularity is on the rise? Is "Sing Sing Sing" topping the itunes charts?

When the Dallas Symphony performs a program of Mozart to a capacity house at the Myerson - NOT ONE of the attendees is 300 years old saying, "You fellas play the Magic Flute just like Wolfy did when I heard it in Vienna in 1791!"
Is this teh Dallas Symphony that requires underwriting from the city, massive corporate funding, and a taxpayer subsidized concert hall to stay in buisness?

It's really very simple. Quality is quality is quality. The steak is better at Bob's Steak and Chop House than at a Western Sizzlin'. Logic dictates that music that had a broad appeal from the public in 1940 WILL find an audience in 2009. Greatness is perennial. Music is timeless. The key is the presentaion.
And here you're making the very un-sustainable argument that big band music is 'better' than other music. Music is like art, in that beauty is in the eye/ear of the beholder. You may THINK it's better, and I may think that 50's doo-wop or 60's pop is better. Neither one of us is "right". There is no right when it comes to art, only opinion.

This programming blunder aired for over a year weekdays at 11:00 AM for 10 minutes, with a Friday infomercial from 11-11:30. Shortly after I was hired to do middays, mercifully Andrews Alert went away. But by then, the damage had been done. Even McCoy (AA not his idea) pointed out, "Can you imagine KVIL of KLUV interrupting their music formats in the middle of the day to run this thing?!"
But if big band popularity is on the rise, why did you guys have to resort to airing infomercials in a prime daypart?

In fact, as I said often to co-workers when I was there, "Tweaking the music instead of addressing the real problem (which is the weekend info-mericals & sports programming) is like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic!"
Most radio stations get the bulk of their listening M-F 6a-Mid. If you really think that your problem was weekend infomercials and weekend sports, maybe you don't know as much about radio as you think you do.

That and more vociferous comments on my part led to my firing. I may be out of a job - but I wasn't wrong. KAAM has lost listeners and sponsors who no longer got results. Is there any wonder why?
KAAM has been losing listeners and advertisers for 20 years because the station has a limited musical appeal, and an undesirable audience from most advertisers perspective.

Until they start to serve the public interest and listen to their listeners, the downward trend will continue.
How does playing music, any music, serve the "publics" interest in any way? Or to put it another way, if playing big band music is somehow in the publics interest, why is playing rock music, or rap music, or the 'best mix of the 80's 90's and today' also not in the publics interest?
 
Little1 -

Your last post was a regurgitation of well-worn and accepted "radio-speak" that, is obtuse and passe (assuming that there was ever any wisdom to it in the first place. As with your post, I shall take your refutations (is that a word?) one at a time:

Pardon my ignorance, a 25-54 breakout? Is that like a prison break for all convicts in their prime?

I'm the exception not the rule - I appreciate the fact that you find me exceptional - I am. But my point simply was that a person's taste in all things change as they grow and develop. What they liked in their early teens they might not like in their 30's. When you were a kid you enjoyed peanut butter & jelly sandwiches. When was the last time you had one?

Broadcasting. What's that? Is that like casting for Broads? That's why I became a big band leader.

Last time big bands toured: Both the Miller & Tommy Dorsey bands appeared in the Dallas area in the last year.

Evidence of Big Band's popularity: What evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) do you have that they're not?

Dallas Symphony is subsidized - Yes it is. And while I can't afford to attend as much as I'd like, everytime I've attended a concert, the Meyerson was packed. So their ability to draw cannot be in question.

Big Band Is Better - I'm glad you think so. I never said that nor did I mean to intimate that. My point is simply that just because a recording or genre of music reaches a certain age doesn't mean it loses it's relevancy.

Informercials on the weekday KAAM was paid nothing for Andrews Alert. This was a show that was produced daily at the owner's behest because he thought the listeners should hear her message and would attract advertisers. Guess how that turned out?

Weekends don't matter - They may not to national advertisers or anyone who worships at the altar of Arbitron. But on Adult Standard format stations, a prime component of the Arbitron is time spent listening. This is a bedrock when you're talking about the weekends, especially retirees.

Limited Appeal Forgive my ignorance, but I don't know what that means. Big band music has limited appeal? Of course it does. So does every other radio format and musical genre. In broadcasting - or casting for broads - the more people you reach, there's bound to be someone that doesn't like or appreciate what you do. I'm sure you've been personally subjected to that many times.

Music serving the public interest There was a time in the good ole US of A that the FCC mandated the imperative of serving the public interest. Today in DFW, most WBAP's programming is syndicated. Hannity and Limbaugh and the rest can talk all they want to about free speech. But it's really about lining their own pockets with gold. They and Stern and Imus wouldn't be making the money they're making if they were only heard in their home markets. If that were the case, then WBAP (and the rest) would have to come up with local programming that would create jobs, Program Directors who would have to get innovative and creative and their account execs would have to go out and find local sponsors for this programming. Successes and failures would then be determined by the whims and proclivities of the local listener which is how it was and in my not so humble opinion - how it should be.

Have a nice day!

CrBig Band
 
There is one banned song on KAAM. It is the Limbo Rock by Chubby Checker. It is banned because it says "how low can you go" and it strikes too close to home for them.
 
Actually, all Harry Belefonte recordings were banned from KAAM. Why?

Because he made disparaging comments about George W. Due to this his recordings were pulled.
 
crbigband said:
Little1 -

Your last post was a regurgitation of well-worn and accepted "radio-speak" that, is obtuse and passe (assuming that there was ever any wisdom to it in the first place. As with your post, I shall take your refutations (is that a word?) one at a time:
yes I'm "regurgitating" passe radio speak. And I'm gainfully employed in radio. What's your employment status right now? Think the fact that you're unable tro succeed in radio mightbe coloring your opinion of the medium?

Pardon my ignorance, a 25-54 breakout? Is that like a prison break for all convicts in their prime?
If you don't understand the term break out, your ignorance is greater than I believed.

I'm the exception not the rule - I appreciate the fact that you find me exceptional - I am. But my point simply was that a person's taste in all things change as they grow and develop. What they liked in their early teens they might not like in their 30's. When you were a kid you enjoyed peanut butter & jelly sandwiches. When was the last time you had one?
I don't find you at all exceptional. And peoples taste MAY grow and develop. Or it may stay EXACTLY the same. I had a PB&J for lunch last Friday. Is that all your argument consists of?

Broadcasting. What's that? Is that like casting for Broads? That's why I became a big band leader.
Those that can, do.

Last time big bands toured: Both the Miller & Tommy Dorsey bands appeared in the Dallas area in the last year.
And they played to what size audience? Admit it, big band is nowhere near as popular as other types of music.

Evidence of Big Band's popularity: What evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) do you have that they're not?
You're the one arguing that big band popularity is not dying out as the WW2 generation dies out. If you have any evidence to back up that opinion, please share it. Otherwise, we can all realize that that statement is 'poppycock'.

Dallas Symphony is subsidized - Yes it is. And while I can't afford to attend as much as I'd like, everytime I've attended a concert, the Meyerson was packed. So their ability to draw cannot be in question.
It's not their ability to draw, it's their ability to be a successful buisness that I'm questioning. Much as I'm questioning the ability of KAAM to be a successful buisness playing big band music and ignoring music from the 70's. the symphony succeeds by leaching off of taxpayers. If you can figure out a way for KAAM to also get subsidized by my tax dollars you might have a successful buisness model. But right now, you don't.

Big Band Is Better - I'm glad you think so. I never said that nor did I mean to intimate that. My point is simply that just because a recording or genre of music reaches a certain age doesn't mean it loses it's relevancy.
But does it lose it's relevance to a broad-based audience, which you need to support a radio station commercially? Are Scott Joplin rags still revelant? Sousa marches? Why shouldn't that type of music genres get exposed instead of big bands? Or is the fact that you're a big band leader coloring your thinking?


Weekends don't matter - They may not to national advertisers or anyone who worships at the altar of Arbitron.
If you are (or were) working for a commercial radio station, you're almost forced "to worship at the altar of arbitron". Sure there's a certain amount of money to be made in direct sales, but even direct sales are made much easier with good ratings. But just to clarify, I didn't say weekends don't matter, you did. But again, just so we're all dealing with facts, do you have any evidence about KAAM's weekend listening? can you compare the M-F 6a-Mid ratings versus the M-Su 6a-Mid ratings? That's an easy way to see what effect your weekend programming is having...


Limited Appeal Forgive my ignorance, but I don't know what that means. Big band music has limited appeal? Of course it does. So does every other radio format and musical genre. In broadcasting - or casting for broads - the more people you reach, there's bound to be someone that doesn't like or appreciate what you do. I'm sure you've been personally subjected to that many times.
In the June trend/book, KAAM barely registered and tied for 47th place with adults 25-54. KPLX came in first. Are you seriously suggesting that country music has limited appeal? If so how do you explain that musical genre ranking first in the market? Or is country also have limited appeal but some pigs are more equal than others?

Music serving the public interest There was a time in the good ole US of A that the FCC mandated the imperative of serving the public interest. Today in DFW, most WBAP's programming is syndicated. Hannity and Limbaugh and the rest can talk all they want to about free speech. But it's really about lining their own pockets with gold. They and Stern and Imus wouldn't be making the money they're making if they were only heard in their home markets. If that were the case, then WBAP (and the rest) would have to come up with local programming that would create jobs, Program Directors who would have to get innovative and creative and their account execs would have to go out and find local sponsors for this programming. Successes and failures would then be determined by the whims and proclivities of the local listener which is how it was and in my not so humble opinion - how it should be.

Hold on, you said music stations were on a downward trend because they weren't serving the public interest of listening to their listeners. Now you bring up WBAP? WBAP isn't a music station.

But all right, I'll play along. The FCC STILL mandates that stations serve the public interest. If you don't like HOW they do it, fine, but that requirement is still there. But your nonsensical paragraph above still doesn't explain how a station playing music, or even how a station being programmed locally "serves the public interest". Since you brought up WBAP, how does having Mark Davis on locally serve the public more than having Rush on via satellite? Especially if Mark doesn't talk local topics and focuses on national news? Aren't stations, whether airing local or syndicated programming, still at the mercy of local audiences?
 
Little1 -

Okay, Okay! You're absolutely right and employed (so you say), and I'm absolutely wrong and unemployed. Good for you, bad for me. I'm ignorant of everything having anything to do with broadcasting and radio and it's just sheer, dumb luck on my part that any radio station ever hired me at all in the last 20 years. My career in broadcast radio is over and yours is thriving.

I've devoted the last 30 years to bringing big band music to receptive audiences both on the bandstand and on radio where I could. I'm Cary Richards and the whole wide world can know it - and you are... that's right - ANONYMOUS.

You seem to delight in kicking others when their down, I've read other posts on other threads and I am in good company indeed. Congratulations! Whatever else you do in radio you have certainly mastered the "Art of the Cheap Shot".

You have my permission to go on being right... and anonymous.

Cheers!
Cr Big Band
 
I'm of the opinion that radio needs to re-examine itself. How many receivable signals are there in the DFW area? 60, or maybe more? I no longer live there, so I haven't counted recently. I'm sure it is a lot.

The point is, not everyone can be "Number 1." The market is simply over-saturated with formats that sound more or less the same. That is not good. There is little point in attempting to compete with the ratings giants who do whatever it is they do very well. A small station is unlikely to win that war. I’m not sure why so many even bother.

With all the other means of entertainment, Internet, ipods, cell phones, satellite, peer-to-peer file sharing, Face Book, Twitter, even Hd-2 channels, etc, the market is eroding and further fragmenting. The only way survive for most stations is to pick a niche and do it really, really well.

A very wise businessman gave me some sage advice many years ago. It was simple. “Pick something that people want, and don’t do what the big guys are doing.” Over the years, it has worked for me. It might for you as well.

KAAM has an interesting niche. I operate a similar format in my area, which does well, despite a "challenged" signal. (We are working to fix that problem.) The difference is we try not to do things that alienate our audience. That includes watching what we play, and making sure that it "fits" the expectations of our core audience. Admittedly, the almighty dollar does come into play, and you will hear college and high school sports on my station. I'd rather not do it, but it is an economic necessity. I get both complaints and compliments about it. All in all, it has been a positive experience, bringing many new listeners who didn’t know we existed.

The complaints come from the hard core music fans. I explain that something has to pay for their indulgences. Usually, they are OK with that. The interruptions are not that frequent, and usually come at non-prime times, like Friday evening. Since we are the only station of our kind for well over 100 miles, I'm reasonably confident that they will come back when regular programming resumes. So far, that has been the case.

KAAM, on the other hand, tends to be unlistenable to most of their core fans all weekend long. That is a long time, and doesn't do a lot to encourage station loyalty. You will either find something else to listen to, or simply turn the radio off. Standards stations never do huge numbers, but they can (and usually do) have very loyal audiences. You can make a decent living if paying your stockholders a large dividend is not a big part of your business plan.

I believe that KR makes a lot of valid points about KAAM, which are equally valid for most other Standards stations. Good music is good music, and some people will recognize that. The problem is when you intentionally do things that make it difficult for your listener to stay loyal, then you have a problem. I think KAAM has done a pretty good job of alienating a lot of would-be listeners.
 
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