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New Life for REELRADIO

With regard to youtube.com, I believe the site has made available a lot more unscoped airchecks than it used to. Some of those airchecks originated from reelradio.com (those are usually the best-sounding ones) while others have come from other sources.

There are a lot of issues with airchecks on YouTube. They're frequently uploaded at low bitrates (I've seen 128kpbs), so even if what the poster has is good quality, it's degraded by the time someone hears it online.

Oftentimes when the record companies lodge a complaint, instead of the aircheck disappearing, individual songs do---leaving three-minute holes inside the airchecks. Just silence.

The youtube.com account I have seen with the most unscoped fare is the one operated by "Real Radio Joe" though I have also heard rumors that some of his methods for obtaining some of the airchecks he posts may be unscrupulous at best.

"Retro (not Real) Radio Joe" is Joe Fazio, who was a REELRADIO member back in the day and has contributed to Dale Patterson's Rock Radio Scrapbook site.

I've heard more than rumors from people who've posted their airchecks elsewhere---say the Internet Archive or Mixcloud---and found them on Joe's YouTube page. Apparently Joe is under the impression that putting "from the (name) collection" is sufficient, but the people who say they weren't even asked sure don't think so.

Joe also posts the same airchecks multiple times (looks like every eight months to a year), not seeming to understand that YouTube is searchable and that once would be enough.
 
Well, I've gone to the new site (thanks, Michael Hagerty, for providing the link) but I cannot seem to be able to get any of the exhibits to play. They all say "Google Drive" when I click on the MP3 link but I don't have that.

Ted, you shouldn't need Google Drive. That is how the North Carolina Museum stores them, though.

I realize that your blindness means you "see" the site differently. But if you go to a collection, scroll down to exhibits, there should be a "play" button for each, and the exhibit should begin playing. If there's a way I can walk you through it, I'd be happy to.

In the meantime, it looks like the old site is still up (though I didn't try to play any exhibits from there) and I can still view the comments from the past there.

My understanding is that you can no longer play on the old site. It will remain up as Don Jennett and others use it to get the word to members about the new site. Apparently there won't be a comments feature, at least not soon, on the new site.

With regard to other sites getting reelradio.com exhibits, most of the exhibits I've seen on other sites that originated from reelradio.com are exhibits that are either big city radio stations or that are more than 15 years old or both. I can still cite several (though I won't list them here for fear of giving someone ideas) airchecks, both scoped and unscoped, that I have as yet to see anywhere else.

You may not be looking in all the places (there are a lot---as well as the truly unscrupulous who copied them, burned them onto discs and sell them on eBay.

As for the age, the newest thing on REELRADIO is now eight years old.
 
Well, I've gone to the new site (thanks, Michael Hagerty, for providing the link) but I cannot seem to be able to get any of the exhibits to play. They all say "Google Drive" when I click on the MP3 link but I don't have that.

Ted, try this. It's a direct link to a single exhibit, rather than a collection page.

FYI: There is a 2 to 5 second lag between the button being pushed and the audio beginning. Seems to be the way they re-did the files.

 
Ted, try this. It's a direct link to a single exhibit, rather than a collection page.

FYI: There is a 2 to 5 second lag between the button being pushed and the audio beginning. Seems to be the way they re-did the files.


Thank you, Michael, for your assistance. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get the file to play using a Windows 10 system with Firefox and my screenreader JAWS. The direct link you sent sent has the page with a frame inside the page that reads:

Displaying rwmkiqq120773-sc.mp3.

There are no buttons on the page at all. Thinking that the problem might be that I had MP3 files set to the wrong player (I had them playing in Windows Media player), I switched the player to the VLC player and tried again. No dice in either case.

I'm going to try to play the file again and see if I can find a direct link through Firefox and play the file that way. As I said, I have absolutely no idea what's going on but I am trying possible solutions as I can think of them.
 
Thank you, Michael, for your assistance. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get the file to play using a Windows 10 system with Firefox and my screenreader JAWS. The direct link you sent sent has the page with a frame inside the page that reads:

Displaying rwmkiqq120773-sc.mp3.

There are no buttons on the page at all. Thinking that the problem might be that I had MP3 files set to the wrong player (I had them playing in Windows Media player), I switched the player to the VLC player and tried again. No dice in either case.

I'm going to try to play the file again and see if I can find a direct link through Firefox and play the file that way. As I said, I have absolutely no idea what's going on but I am trying possible solutions as I can think of them.

Ted, I wish I could do more. The only thing that occurs to me is that these will play on any device. The audio does not need to be routed through a player like WMP or VLC.

What I see on my screen in that link, just in case it's helpful:

A box with the following text:

Robert W. Morgan, K-100/KIQQ Los Angeles, December 7, 1973 (scoped) (0:06:22)​

Scoped​


And then a narrow black strip. On the left is a white "play" arrow (without a label), to its right is the progress bar, with an oval button that moves as the aircheck plays (once it begins, time elapsed is displayed to the right of the progress bar).

Then comes the volume control, an oval button with a slider. Far left is mute, far right is full volume, which is the default when I go there.

Finally, there's an expander button that takes that black strip full-screen and gives options including saving to Google Drive (if you have it), downloading and opening with alternate players.

On the off-chance that it makes a difference, let me send you the link for the same exhibit, but opened to full-screen:

 
Thank you, Michael, for your assistance. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get the file to play using a Windows 10 system with Firefox and my screenreader JAWS. The direct link you sent sent has the page with a frame inside the page that reads:

Displaying rwmkiqq120773-sc.mp3.

There are no buttons on the page at all. Thinking that the problem might be that I had MP3 files set to the wrong player (I had them playing in Windows Media player), I switched the player to the VLC player and tried again. No dice in either case.

I'm going to try to play the file again and see if I can find a direct link through Firefox and play the file that way. As I said, I have absolutely no idea what's going on but I am trying possible solutions as I can think of them.


I finally got it to work, though it took some jumping (and trusting my gut) on my part. No, I wasn't able to find the direct link; however, I did hit the enter key when I was inside the frame (there is no button marked), Jaws went blank (it actually went into what is called applications mode, meaning I had no access to using the arrow keys, and, as I said, the screen went blank), I pressed the enter key again and, lo and behold, the exhibit began to play.

If there are any other blind people using screenreaders reading this (I'm assuming JAWS' main competitor, NVDA, also is reading in this way), you will need to jump through screens you will be unable to read to get the player to work.
 
Props to you for going lossless.

I settled on mp3s at 44.1khz sample rate and 320kbps bitrate after reviewing the practical differences between that and lossless and then considering space and expense. Best I could do.
That's an entirely reasonable balance between quality and resource consumption. One of my Linux programs describes that bitrate as "insane" but I don't need my applications to be judgmental! I use those parameters all the time.

I've tried various devices over the years for recording. Those that have a built-in FM radio that can then record directly on the device inevitably have some sort of limitation, aside from FM reception capability generally. For example, Sanza Fuze devices record in WAV format with a 24 kHz sampling rate, which limits frequency response to 12 kHz. For most FM stations, that's probably OK, and likely no worse than the limitations of cassette tapes of an earlier era, but it's still annoying to deal with. But at least that can be compressed further if needed. Some other devices that come out of the Chinese radio-industrial complex have limitations such as brickwall low-pass filters (ranging from 10 to 14 kHz) and, in one case, recording in MP2 format rather than MP3! Best results have come from Tascam recorders. I'm using the DR-05X and, most of the time, recording in WAV format. Battery life is not so great but better than its predecessor, the DR-07, which eats batteries for breakfast, lunch, and dinner all at once, but has more flexible input options. There always seems to be some kind of trade-off.

The Tascams give me good control over levels. I keep a peak limiter on, but at input levels where it rarely triggers. I can normalize levels in post-recording processing, which I do in the Audacity editor.

For most of the recordings I've made with the Tascam recorders, I've also saved the raw WAV files along with a log that indicates what's in each file. This requires an SSD of its own. I'm currently using Samsung T7 SSDs. They are amazingly fast. I also try to have multiple backups; the jury still seems to be out on the longevity of data stored on SSDs, though I've never run into problems.

I would love to use a newer compression format such as AAC or Ogg Vorbis (bonus: Ogg Vorbis uses the same metadata format as FLAC, but support seems limited to the open-source world), which could cut resulting file sizes by half compared to MP3, but MP3 seems to be the lowest common denominator that you can use on almost any platform.

My recent European batch consists mostly of recordings from DAB+, which have varying bitrates from 48 to 112 kbps (AAC), depending on country and allocation. I won't save lossless versions most of those because the broadcast source was already lossy. I feel similarly about HD subchannels and AM HD.

I haven't been good about keeping a catalog of recordings. Every processed recording gets tagged with metadata, so there is some degree of self-documentation. Someday, I'll bestir myself to write a script to read the metadata and compile it into a format that I can import into a spreadsheet. But that requires time, too, and my scripting skills are rusty.

I've been learning as I go along. Thus I'd like to re-do some of my earlier transfers from cassette tape, made more than five years ago by now, because I have a much better idea of how to get reasonable quality from the tapes than I did when I started.
 
Props to you for going lossless.

I settled on mp3s at 44.1khz sample rate and 320kbps bitrate after reviewing the practical differences between that and lossless and then considering space and expense. Best I could do.

You should reconsider going forward. Even a 320kbps MP3 is lossy and relies on psychoacoustic masking that can trick the ear into hearing everything, but it can't trick the archive into retaining whatever was lost in the process.

Storage is so cheap now. A 20TB hard drive barely costs over $200 in 2025. You can store over 34,000 hours of uncompressed WAV audio in that amount of space. If you really must compress to squeeze more in, then you could use FLAC and fit nearly twice as much onto the disk in a lossless file format.

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That's an entirely reasonable balance between quality and resource consumption. One of my Linux programs describes that bitrate as "insane" but I don't need my applications to be judgmental! I use those parameters all the time.

I've tried various devices over the years for recording. Those that have a built-in FM radio that can then record directly on the device inevitably have some sort of limitation, aside from FM reception capability generally. For example, Sanza Fuze devices record in WAV format with a 24 kHz sampling rate, which limits frequency response to 12 kHz. For most FM stations, that's probably OK, and likely no worse than the limitations of cassette tapes of an earlier era, but it's still annoying to deal with. But at least that can be compressed further if needed. Some other devices that come out of the Chinese radio-industrial complex have limitations such as brickwall low-pass filters (ranging from 10 to 14 kHz) and, in one case, recording in MP2 format rather than MP3! Best results have come from Tascam recorders. I'm using the DR-05X and, most of the time, recording in WAV format. Battery life is not so great but better than its predecessor, the DR-07, which eats batteries for breakfast, lunch, and dinner all at once, but has more flexible input options. There always seems to be some kind of trade-off.

The Tascams give me good control over levels. I keep a peak limiter on, but at input levels where it rarely triggers. I can normalize levels in post-recording processing, which I do in the Audacity editor.

For most of the recordings I've made with the Tascam recorders, I've also saved the raw WAV files along with a log that indicates what's in each file. This requires an SSD of its own. I'm currently using Samsung T7 SSDs. They are amazingly fast. I also try to have multiple backups; the jury still seems to be out on the longevity of data stored on SSDs, though I've never run into problems.

I would love to use a newer compression format such as AAC or Ogg Vorbis (bonus: Ogg Vorbis uses the same metadata format as FLAC, but support seems limited to the open-source world), which could cut resulting file sizes by half compared to MP3, but MP3 seems to be the lowest common denominator that you can use on almost any platform.

My recent European batch consists mostly of recordings from DAB+, which have varying bitrates from 48 to 112 kbps (AAC), depending on country and allocation. I won't save lossless versions most of those because the broadcast source was already lossy. I feel similarly about HD subchannels and AM HD.

I haven't been good about keeping a catalog of recordings. Every processed recording gets tagged with metadata, so there is some degree of self-documentation. Someday, I'll bestir myself to write a script to read the metadata and compile it into a format that I can import into a spreadsheet. But that requires time, too, and my scripting skills are rusty.

I've been learning as I go along. Thus I'd like to re-do some of my earlier transfers from cassette tape, made more than five years ago by now, because I have a much better idea of how to get reasonable quality from the tapes than I did when I started.

And further respect. I haven't actually recorded anything in...40 years. If you see KKHR, Los Angeles from May 9, 1984 or October 24, 1985, those are mine---recorded off the cable at my mom's house in Bishop so that I'd have something to listen to on the drive home (to Reno in '84 and Vegas in '85). Everything else has been stuff people either gave me, that I've traded for or that I've found available for download.
 
You should reconsider going forward. Even a 320kbps MP3 is lossy and relies on psychoacoustic masking that can trick the ear into hearing everything, but it can't trick the archive into retaining whatever was lost in the process.

Storage is so cheap now. A 20TB hard drive barely costs over $200 in 2025. You can store over 34,000 hours of uncompressed WAV audio in that amount of space. If you really must compress to squeeze more in, then you could use FLAC and fit nearly twice as much onto the disk in a lossless file format.

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Too late. I'm 69 years old and there's too much of it. I'm disinclined to spend $200 more on this.

And, re-doing what I already have won't improve it (you can't restore what was lost) . Frankly, the vast majority of the source material was 320kb MP3. Very few collectors/traders are still using physical media.

And after all, it's the human ear hearing it, and not what it looks like on a scope, that matters. Remember, we're dealing with recordings of AM and FM radio stations that imposed their own frequency and dynamic range limitations before it was ever captured on tape, disc or digital memory. And as Mark notes above, the limitations of cassette tapes (which probably account for 85-90% of all airchecks recorded between 1975 and 1995) are significant.
 
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Too late. I'm 69 years old and there's too much of it. I'm disinclined to spend $200 more on this.

And, re-doing what I already have won't improve it (you can't restore what was lost) . Frankly, the vast majority of the source material was 320kb MP3. Very few collectors/traders are still using physical media.

And after all, it's the human ear hearing it, and not what it looks like on a scope, that matters. Remember, we're dealing with recordings of AM and FM radio stations that imposed their own frequency and dynamic range limitations before it was ever captured on tape, disc or digital memory. And as Mark notes above, the limitations of cassette tapes (which probably account for 85-90% of all airchecks recorded between 1975 and 1995) are significant.
I bought my first cassette recorder with a built-in AM radio in either late 1965 or early 1966 at a duty free shop at the Panama City airport when on my way to Mexico. I recorded all the Top 40 stations in Mexico City and played them a lot to my staff at Radio Musical in Quito. I later went to Mexico City to record the tropical music stations to play for my Canal Tropical staff after I launched that station in 1966.

I ended up with a little collection of cassette recorders with radios as they kept making smaller and smaller ones with better audio... and FM.

Cassette tape - Wikipedia is an interesting read and seems, for Wikipedia, to be unusually accurate.
 
I bought my first cassette recorder with a built-in AM radio in either late 1965 or early 1966 at a duty free shop at the Panama City airport when on my way to Mexico. I recorded all the Top 40 stations in Mexico City and played them a lot to my staff at Radio Musical in Quito. I later went to Mexico City to record the tropical music stations to play for my Canal Tropical staff after I launched that station in 1966.

I ended up with a little collection of cassette recorders with radios as they kept making smaller and smaller ones with better audio... and FM.

Cassette tape - Wikipedia is an interesting read and seems, for Wikipedia, to be unusually accurate.

Radio/Cassette recorders absolutely existed at that stage, but in looking at airchecks specifically, there's a pretty typical breakdown:

Pre-1950: The vast majority are transcription discs, with a handful of wire recordings.

1950s: Reel to reel tape is the primary source, though I've seen transcription disc airchecks up to 1955. Most of the tapes were recorded by the talent, station or network itself. As Hi-Fi becomes more of a thing in the mid-late 50s, high-quality reel machines show up in homes and become a source of a lot of airchecks of FM "fine arts" programming (jazz, classical, folk, spoken word).

1960s: Reel to reel tapes from talents, station and networks continue, as do high-quality reel recordings which capture the beginnings of FM Stereo Multiplex broadcasting and the emerging formats as the FCC ends 100% simulcasts. A flood of cheap reel-to-reel machines with condenser mics, best suited to dictation, start ending up in the hands of kids and teens, who too often put a microphone next to a speaker and hit "record".

1970s: The reels from the source and from audiophiles continue, and some of the kids with the bad recorders graduate to good recorders with line inputs, but just as many move to cheap cassette recorders.

1980s: Not as many airchecks from the source anymore---throughout the 70s, stations have defaulted to skimmers for talent evaluation. Home reel-to-reel machines are past their peak. The boom in all-in-one rack stereo systems, including cassette decks, keeps a source of decent-quality home airchecks alive, but a lot of people buy cheap boomboxes instead, and way too many $1.99 drugstore blank cassettes get used.

1990s and beyond: Cassettes of varying quality, a brief spurt of high-quality airchecks using videocassettes at their highest speed, and then the various forms of digital.
 
Why didn’t the industry archive their own content. Do they just not care?

Not much. Gordon Skene is an audio archivist in Los Angeles who began his collection as a kid riding his bike down alleys in L.A. and checking out the dumpsters at the radio stations, finding incredible reels of discarded tape. He then worked out a "call me" deal with those stations when they needed shelf space.
 
Why didn’t the industry archive their own content. Do they just not care?
Because no one anticipated the unprecedented desire of the baby boomers for ephemera from their youth. And that's what all those DJ shifts were back then, disposable bits of audio entertainment featuring songs that for the most part were forgotten in less than a year.
 
Why didn’t the industry archive their own content. Do they just not care?
Thousands of radio stations were on the air even back in the 60's. Multiply everything by that.

Lets go back to the 60's and look at a smaller market station. Reel to reel tapes were generally up to about an hour, two hours if "flipped". A good tape deck for recording would be around $3,000 for a daytimer, there would be 6 to 8 reels a day at perhaps $4 to $5 a reel. So taping cost more than an entry level employee. And then there was storage. In just a year, you'd have a nice closet full of them. In 5 years, you'd need a separate room. m

Who would pay for that? And why? In, let's say, 1967, why would, for example, daytimer WCCW in Traverse City spend thousands each year on tape and more on storage for something nobody thought might be listened to.

Later, big stations often had a slow speed recording system to verify ad placements, content, and the like if needed. But they reused the tapes every month or so, and when worn, they tossed them. Now, some stations do the same with recording to the cloud or hard drives. In either case, they don't keep the files for longer than deemed legally necessary.
 
Because no one anticipated the unprecedented desire of the baby boomers for ephemera from their youth. And that's what all those DJ shifts were back then, disposable bits of audio entertainment featuring songs that for the most part were forgotten in less than a year.
I mean, that kind of condenses all of radio down to just Top 40. The same holds true of talk, news, MOR, Country and fine arts programming. And it's really no different than TV's failure to archive. NBC reused tapes, recording over most of the first decade of Johnny Carson on the Tonight Show. They didn't learn from that and in the late 70s, threw out most of their news file footage, thinking they wouldn't need it again. An NBC employee rescued it from the dumpster, rented a warehouse and made a nice living licensing the footage back to them on a per use basis.
 
Not much. Gordon Skene is an audio archivist in Los Angeles who began his collection as a kid riding his bike down alleys in L.A. and checking out the dumpsters at the radio stations, finding incredible reels of discarded tape. He then worked out a "call me" deal with those stations when they needed shelf space.
Often, tape reels ended up in production where they often got edited with a razor and tape. Tossed afterwards.

Or those agency spot reels got used by jocks for airchecks to send to stations in a bigger market!
 
Not much. Gordon Skene is an audio archivist in Los Angeles who began his collection as a kid riding his bike down alleys in L.A. and checking out the dumpsters at the radio stations, finding incredible reels of discarded tape. He then worked out a "call me" deal with those stations when they needed shelf space.

But most of the content on those reels is copyrighted music that the radio station didn't own. That's why the RIAA sued. People are listening and enjoying this music and the creators aren't getting paid. So throwing away those reels eliminated the liability. Personal collections aren't covered by such recording licenses. What you do in the privacy of your home is your business. But transferring that material back into the public revives that rights problem.

They didn't learn from that and in the late 70s, threw out most of their news file footage, thinking they wouldn't need it again. An NBC employee rescued it from the dumpster, rented a warehouse and made a nice living licensing the footage back to them on a per use basis.

Are you sure about that? The NBC News archive has been selling and licensing its content for over 40 years. Both video and audio. It's in 30 Rock. I've seen it. It's all catalogued. Same with CBS and ABC. If you look at the credits to any news documentary, you'll see credits given to the network archive departments.
 
Are you sure about that? The NBC News archive has been selling and licensing its content for over 40 years. Both video and audio. It's in 30 Rock. I've seen it. It's all catalogued. Same with CBS and ABC. If you look at the credits to any news documentary, you'll see credits given to the network archive departments.
Michael said "in the late 70s" so that would be more than 40 years ago.
 


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