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New lineup

May 4
http://www.siriusxm.com/servlet/Sat...6166462&p=1283876166981&pagename=SXM/Wrapper#

>>What's more, we're making many of the channel numbers consistent whether you have a Sirius or an XM radio. That's great news for our listeners — especially those with both Sirius and XM radios. Now customers will only have to remember a single channel number for their favorite programming.

XM Lineup:
http://www.siriusxm.com/channelupdate?packedargs=pkg=XMRO-SA&cat=all

Willie's Place and Roadhouse are merging. Country stations moving to chs 56-62.
Sirius XMHits 1 will be on channel 2. "Top 20" on Channel 3.
 
Also, EnLighten (southern gospel) is being exiled to online-only, and the only conference specifically identified in the sports play-by-play channels is the SEC; possible sign of rights-fee turmoil with the other conferences. It looks like the full BBC World Service will be on both platforms; Sirius has been carrying a cheaper, stripped-down version called BBC World Service News but the "News" is no longer part of the channel's name on the Sirius lineup card.

All the Clear Channel properties remain only on XM, as do the XM-only music channels Village, Groove and Cinemagic. Major League Baseball play-by-play continues to be unavailable to Sirius subscribers under any plan; SiriXM said it was "working on" this issue before the season started, but it looks like MLB still wants too much money.

Three cities on each traffic/weather channel (except for the only cities that matter to Karmazin and Greenstein: NY and Hollywood, I mean Los Angeles) makes a barely useful service a total joke. Now you're almost certain to get the info you want the hear faster on your local "Traffic on the 8's" station than you will if you try Sirius XM.

Note that all this consolidation is being done to make room for the leased channels that Karmazin had to accept to get approval for his monopoly, but there's no mention of them on the lineup cards. Mel dragged his feet on these channels for nearly 3 years, now he's apparently consulted his crack team of lawyers and decided he can get away with simply taking these outside programmers' money and hiding their channels with no publicity whatsoever. Slimy, but sadly typical.
 
CTListener said:
All the Clear Channel properties remain only on XM,
Yep, CC's contract is with XM pre-merger.

XM-only music channels Village, Groove and Cinemagic.
XM subs get the better deal. In return, Sirius subs can pay extra for 'Backseat TV.'

Three cities on each traffic/weather channel (except for the only cities that matter to Karmazin and Greenstein: NY and Hollywood, I mean Los Angeles) makes a barely useful service a total joke. Now you're almost certain to get the info you want the hear faster on your local "Traffic on the 8's" station than you will if you try Sirius XM.
Yep. Bothering with these highly annoying channels only makes sense in markets with no fulltime traffic source.

Note that all this consolidation is being done to make room for the leased channels that Karmazin had to accept to get approval for his monopoly
Sh'yeah, it's a 'monopoly' if you ignore internet, cell phones and every other audio delivery system. Some 'monopoly.' No wonder that stock's cleaning up.

Mel dragged his feet on these channels for nearly 3 years, now he's apparently consulted his crack team of lawyers and decided he can get away with simply taking these outside programmers' money and hiding their channels with no publicity whatsoever. Slimy, but sadly typical.
Who could blame Sirius XM if they did bury the extortion channels. The 'slimy' operatives here are at the FCC, commandeering bandwidth that you and I pay for, for their B.S. political prerogatives. I hope those channels sink in obscurity from Day 1. Maybe the power hungry infants at the FCC will be forced to face reality the next time they play political poker with spectrum. Consumers always end up the losers when this crowd gets involved. Think 'net neutrality.' I'm surprised they didn't force satellite to bundle HD receivers in with the satellite and make us pay extra for that.

Now I have to go inform my elderly relatives that they have to learn new channel numbers (no presets for them - they still tune by hand).
 
musichead1029 said:
CTListener said:
All the Clear Channel properties remain only on XM,
Yep, CC's contract is with XM pre-merger.

XM-only music channels Village, Groove and Cinemagic.
XM subs get the better deal. In return, Sirius subs can pay extra for 'Backseat TV.'

Three cities on each traffic/weather channel (except for the only cities that matter to Karmazin and Greenstein: NY and Hollywood, I mean Los Angeles) makes a barely useful service a total joke. Now you're almost certain to get the info you want the hear faster on your local "Traffic on the 8's" station than you will if you try Sirius XM.
Yep. Bothering with these highly annoying channels only makes sense in markets with no fulltime traffic source.

Note that all this consolidation is being done to make room for the leased channels that Karmazin had to accept to get approval for his monopoly
Sh'yeah, it's a 'monopoly' if you ignore internet, cell phones and every other audio delivery system. Some 'monopoly.' No wonder that stock's cleaning up.

Mel dragged his feet on these channels for nearly 3 years, now he's apparently consulted his crack team of lawyers and decided he can get away with simply taking these outside programmers' money and hiding their channels with no publicity whatsoever. Slimy, but sadly typical.
Who could blame Sirius XM if they did bury the extortion channels. The 'slimy' operatives here are at the FCC, commandeering bandwidth that you and I pay for, for their B.S. political prerogatives. I hope those channels sink in obscurity from Day 1. Maybe the power hungry infants at the FCC will be forced to face reality the next time they play political poker with spectrum. Consumers always end up the losers when this crowd gets involved. Think 'net neutrality.' I'm surprised they didn't force satellite to bundle HD receivers in with the satellite and make us pay extra for that.

Now I have to go inform my elderly relatives that they have to learn new channel numbers (no presets for them - they still tune by hand).

It's a satellite radio monopoly; the other media you mention are irrelevant in the eyes of the FCC as they are not satellite radio. And all the markets served by Sirius XM's traffic channels have full-time traffic info sources. They are all big cities. There really is no reason for the channels to stay except to keep Sirius XM's partners/investors in the auto industry happy.
 
CTListener said:
It's a satellite radio monopoly; the other media you mention are irrelevant in the eyes of the FCC as they are not satellite radio.
I'm talking about the real world, not the FCC. I guess if someone worked for the FCC, they might be upset about being ignored by satellite radio. Anyone else would likely view Sirius XM's minimal compliance with the FCC's anti-consumer meddling as a practical and laudable approach.

And all the markets served by Sirius XM's traffic channels have full-time traffic info sources. They are all big cities. There really is no reason for the channels to stay except to keep Sirius XM's partners/investors in the auto industry happy.
Not true. Conspiracy theories aside, WBAL in Baltimore carries Orioles games. If you want a traffic report during the games, you're going to need an alternate resource. Same thing in New York when WCBS is running the Yankees and you need suburban traffic info. This will be the case in any market where the news outlet carries sporting events.
 
musichead1029 said:
CTListener said:
And all the markets served by Sirius XM's traffic channels have full-time traffic info sources. They are all big cities. There really is no reason for the channels to stay except to keep Sirius XM's partners/investors in the auto industry happy.
Not true. Conspiracy theories aside, WBAL in Baltimore carries Orioles games. If you want a traffic report during the games, you're going to need an alternate resource. Same thing in New York when WCBS is running the Yankees and you need suburban traffic info. This will be the case in any market where the news outlet carries sporting events.

New York has WINS, so a big FAIL there, sorry.

Besides, I was thinking about morning and afternoon drive, when most people need traffic reports. Baltimore doesn't have CHR, AC or country stations airing traffic reports? Here in market No. 50, Hartford, you can get traffic in the morning and afternoon on at least a half dozen stations, not just news/talk WTIC-AM. The "alternate resource" for traffic emergencies during non-peak hours (which is when WTIC is carrying Red Sox or UConn games) is called FM.
 
musichead1029 said:
I'm talking about the real world, not the FCC. I guess if someone worked for the FCC, they might be upset about being ignored by satellite radio. Anyone else would likely view Sirius XM's minimal compliance with the FCC's anti-consumer meddling as a practical and laudable approach.

The real world is the one the FCC is making rules in, not the utopian, libertarian, "all government is bad" world in which you apparently want to live. I don't blame Karmazin for only grudgingly going along with the FCC's terms for forming his little monopoly; after all, failure to merge would probably sink both companies within a few years, and Sirius XM's execs need to keep pocketing big salaries to pay for ther retirements in Cancun or Switzerland or some other tax haven. But I'm sure the outside entities that are taking advantage of this opportunity to get their viewpoints heard on a national satellite radio service can't be happy that the old snake oil salesman is still looking for loopholes. It's hard to believe SiriXM told the applicants in advance, "Look, we don't want you here, so don't expect us to tell our subscribers that you even exist." Nobody would apply, and SiriXM would be in trouble with the regulators again. So instead we have this announcement and new lineup cards with nary a mention of the leased channels. Infantile playground tactics, if you ask me.
 
Why doesn't Sirius add Pop2K to their "decade" lineup? And why are they still charging extra for access to The Virus on Sirius? IMO, Opie and Anthony>Howard Stern
 
CTListener said:
musichead1029 said:
WBAL in Baltimore carries Orioles games. If you want a traffic report during the games, you're going to need an alternate resource. Same thing in New York when WCBS is running the Yankees and you need suburban traffic info. This will be the case in any market where the news outlet carries sporting events.
New York has WINS, so a big FAIL there, sorry.
No apology necessary. I don't know if you're familiar with the New York market visa vis CBS's news stations. WCBS concentrates on news and traffic for the NYC suburbs, WINS concentrates on the city. WBBR is a mixed bag, sometimes pre-empting its traffic when their canned programming from the TV side doesn't provide a break. So if you want traffic for the suburbs, WCBS is your station. Sirius XM's traffic has detailed coverage for the city and the suburbs 24-7, so there is value there.

Besides, I was thinking about morning and afternoon drive, when most people need traffic reports. Baltimore doesn't have CHR, AC or country stations airing traffic reports? Here in market No. 50, Hartford, you can get traffic in the morning and afternoon on at least a half dozen stations, not just news/talk WTIC-AM. The "alternate resource" for traffic emergencies during non-peak hours (which is when WTIC is carrying Red Sox or UConn games) is called FM.
If I'm driving through a city outside of morning and PM drive (for example, traveling on the weekend) and I need traffic, I'd rather punch up the satellite, even if I have to wait a bit, than search the terrestrial dials for 20 minutes. In Baltimore, I know WBAL has regular traffic casts when they're not pre-empted by sports. In Hartford, I'd check WTIC. I use them as backups to the satellite to check for updates. But you can't rely on them 24-7. So I think the traffic channels, even in their reduced capacity, are good to have, especially outside of the drivetimes.

CTListener said:
The real world is the one the FCC is making rules in, not the utopian, libertarian, "all government is bad" world in which you apparently want to live. I don't blame Karmazin for only grudgingly going along with the FCC's terms for forming his little monopoly
Actually, as a consumer, what you call the 'libertarian' world is the real world. The FCC does nothing for me as a consumer other than bleeding value from a service I'm paying for under the guises of "monopoly" (which, as we've already discussed, it isn't), "fairness" and "diversity" (political constructs, neither of which are actually provided to the consumer). And the salaries and perks of Sirius' executives that you seem concerned about for some reason don't directly affect the consumer either.

Perhaps if you're a Sirius stockholder this might be of some importance. If you work in the industry, the FCC's agenda might be significant. If you work for the government, characterizing a private sector business in terms of class warfare might seem attractive, if not paranoid. But as a consumer, the end product is all that matters. Sirius is providing a product I elect to pay for as a consumer. The FCC is impeding the delivery of that product. In that equation, obviously I side with Sirius. Nothing complicated there.

That said, I'm no fan of Mel Karmazin. He ruined XM, dumbing down the playlists and getting rid of two of my favorite channels, Cross Country and Fine Tuning. A pox on him and his business plan that left no room for me, the listener that wants more than Sirius' FM-grade repetition. His degradation of the service is such that I use it only as a backup if I don't have internet radio available. If I found it necessary to cut my budget, XM would be one of the first things to go. That wasn't the case before the merger.

It's hard to believe SiriXM told the applicants in advance, "Look, we don't want you here, so don't expect us to tell our subscribers that you even exist." Nobody would apply, and SiriXM would be in trouble with the regulators again. So instead we have this announcement and new lineup cards with nary a mention of the leased channels. Infantile playground tactics, if you ask me.
You're making several unfounded assumptions. It's more likely the case that the FCC's approval of the leasing assignments wasn't complete in time to be included in the lineup change rollout. Sirius can easily update the lineup when the lease approvals are finally implemented. If I were Sirius, stuck with bandwidth-consuming programming that my paying customers didn't ask for, I'd still promote it as more channels and more variety.

And certainly lessees would apply regardless of Sirius' promotional efforts, knowing they could promote themselves as having access to Sirius XM's subscriber base, whether or not anyone actually listens (there's no way to accurately measure that outside of PPM markets).

But the channels themselves will likely end up at the bottom of the program guide in grey under the heading "Other", along with the Clear Channel-leased programming. I assume that, like Clear Channel, the political lessees will have the option of running commercials. Satellite radio listeners don't like commercials. Outside of the talk and news channels, XM doesn't run commercials, and doesn't promote leased channels that have commercials. That's not likely to change unless otherwise required by the FCC.
 
Where, what, and whom are these new minority channels?
We know about the requirement, but where are they on this new Mayday list?
(SiriusXM does not have a Hartford Traffic & Wx channel)
 
ai4i said:
Where, what, and whom are these new minority channels?
We know about the requirement, but where are they on this new Mayday list?
(SiriusXM does not have a Hartford Traffic & Wx channel)

The leased channels are described at http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/90269/fcc-announces-leased-channel-operators-on-sirius-x.

They are, per several posts at Xmfan.com, not ready to air yet, which makes sense as they were only awarded in mid-April. BYU's stations are expected to launch around late summer: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700128952/BYU-Radio-now-on-Sirius-XM-Satellite-Radio.html (Misleading URL; the timing of the expected launch is in the article.)

On the one hand, these channels don't interest me, and how they were mandated (as opposed to that they were) continues to annoy me. On the other, both Howard and BYU run quality radio operations and at least their channels will be highly professional.

My personal annoyance? We're still stuck at XM with the awful Canada 360, while Sirius has CBC. CBC hinted in the Canadian merger talks that their platform would be expanding (and they remain an equity partner in the merged company up north), but as of yet nothing. (This from an American who lives close enough to the border that he could get CBC Radio 1 before they moved most signals to FM. but can't get the FM signals.)
 
Thanks for posting those links.
The CBC went with the puppy dog because they cover all or most of Canada whereas XM only gets into southern Canada.

Oh, and my bad...it is scheduled for three days after the Mayday festivities.
 
Are our subscription dollars going to pay for these channels ability to construct facilities to use the SiriusXM platform? And where are all the other religious organizations going to put their channels when they get word the space has been made availible to this first group? K-Love anyone? This first step being taken is going to turn into a very very very very very very very slippery slope and Mel is going to regret having given in to the FCC, Congress, and these religious groups. What a can of worms!
 
ai4i said:
The CBC went with the puppy dog because they cover all or most of Canada whereas XM only gets into southern Canada.

... where 90 percent of the country's population is. Yes, XM has issues in Edmonton and Yellowknife and Whitehorse, but it does get there if you have a high location and a clear shot at the southern horizon. Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Hamilton, Windsor, Winnipeg, Vancouver and all the highways connecting them -- no problem.

I hope the CBC programming makes it over to the XM side. I've always thought it was quite cynical of XM to thrust a big middle finger at the CRTC by going ultra-cheap and ultra-low-quality on its Canadian programming, especially on the news side. But then, maybe XM had no choice -- Canada just doesn't have the population to support two high-quality national news and entertainment networks on radio.
 
Yes, 90% of the pop lives within a couple hundred kilometers of the southern border, but any regulator would always go with the one that covers the most and the best, including drving around those three provinces north of 60°.
 
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