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NEW PD IN WEST PALM BEACH
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omega said:
That FM is a Belle Glade market signal; it does not even have a 60 dbu signal over the West Palm Beach metro. This is a market of 1.3 million and WADC's new CP only covers 300 thousand with a 70 dbu signal... it is a real rimshot. The AM is not very impressive, either... 1 kw day and 103 watts at night on a bad, high-band frequency (although it covers lots more people than the dog FM).
The only thing nice about Belle Glade is that the same road you came in on can take you back to civilization.
David:
WAFC-FM has a CP to move from Clewiston to Palm Beach Gardens as a full Class A. Could this be what omega is referring to?
See here: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?list=0&facid=24230
WAFC-FM has a CP to move from Clewiston to Palm Beach Gardens as a full Class A. Could this be what omega is referring to?
See here: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?list=0&facid=24230
RadioGuy2004 said:
I have the maps on the CP... the 70 dbu of that station does not even approach the PB areas of greatest population, and it only covera about a quarter of the population of the market. A full Class A is still 6 kw at 100 meters, not 100 kw like the C's, All they have done is move the site from a location between Clewiston and Belle Glade to a site about a mile east of Belle Glade. It's a Belle Glade signal, not a Palm Beaches one.
There is an application to move Palm Beach Gardens, which does not appear to be a grant but an application.
Are you talking about WBGF-93.5 or WAFC-99.5?
BGF has a permit to move about a mile or so east of Belle Glade and go C3, while WAFC has a permit to go down from a C3 in Clewiston to an A, live from a stick smack dab in the middle of WPB with new COL Palm Beach Gardens.....
BGF has a permit to move about a mile or so east of Belle Glade and go C3, while WAFC has a permit to go down from a C3 in Clewiston to an A, live from a stick smack dab in the middle of WPB with new COL Palm Beach Gardens.....
David you might not be reading the map correctly but wafc 99.5 will have a great signal into the west palm market you might have to retract your self from your last comments you always seem to try to put a station down if its not a Univision Station. sad sad sad and with the new talents comming on board for these stations they should be good!
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You've been there too, David?DavidEduardo said:
It isn't a very impressive city.
Clewiston is only a little better, but at least has a decent restaurant, the plantation inn.
When on business in the area, I used to stay at the Holiday Inn Express in Clewiston or Okeechobee.
Now I stay in West Palm Beach. It's better there or in Fort Myers.
RadioGuy2004 said:
I am talking about 99.5, which has gone through a three-stepper. First, moving as an A to a place a mile east of Belle Glade, then a C3 with 12.5 kw between Clewiston and Belle Glade and now an application to become an A again but inside the WPB market. I can not see this as a grant. None of the outside sources I use, from BIA to a coverage mapping program with a database updated daily show this as a grant.
Of course, the FCC has messed up many a time, so there may indeed be a grant. If there is not, and until there is, theis staiton does not cover WPB.
omega said:
I see no grant on the FCC site, just an application to modify a CP (apparently the C3 south of the lake). Until there is a grant, and if there is one (many apps are not granted) this station does not cover WPB. If and when it gets a grant on its latest move, then it will, but only marginally as it is a Class A and will not cover much.
The top Spanish langauge station in WPB is generally WAMR from Miami, which gets about half the total Spanish language shares. With Clear doing Mia, they should take the WAMR shares easily due to signal advantages. A Class A will be at a real disadvantage to Mia, too.
By the way, I used to be a licensed PE, and designed and built a dozen AMs including a directional as well as a half-dozen FMs, one with a transmitter at over 13,000 feet AMSL. I can read maps, polar charts, and whatever else you want. Ask your buddy Daniel Omar.
David, what are the chances of this move going through, if it hasn't already started?
Who would getting shortspaced and who's losing LPFM/translator outlets??
Plus, what if the flip to Spanish is in fact, a deliberate rumor, and Glades is simply moving WAFC into WPB and keeping the format as is, ala Renda and WGNE-FM's move from Daytona to Jacksonville......
How would that affect WIRK and WKIS, but mostly WIRK? WOULD it have any effect?
Who would getting shortspaced and who's losing LPFM/translator outlets??
Plus, what if the flip to Spanish is in fact, a deliberate rumor, and Glades is simply moving WAFC into WPB and keeping the format as is, ala Renda and WGNE-FM's move from Daytona to Jacksonville......
How would that affect WIRK and WKIS, but mostly WIRK? WOULD it have any effect?
My guess is that wafc will be going spanish maybe not Regional Mexican but some spanish format i asked a freind of mine that works at glades in Clewiston and she told me the company is going to invest big bucks in bringing in good talent since this will be a good signal in wpb and from the maps ive been able to see it will be.
RadioGuy2004 said:
I don't have my full engineering mapping program on my laptop, and I am out for several weeks. But looking at the FCC data, it looks like this thing is just barely doable. It appears to have been granted in about May of 2007, but then there was opposition from "Clay" and the whole thing was started over; I can not tell if the grant was rescinded or simply held in FCC prurgatory pending the opposition from another station.
My only guess is that WAFC is waiting for this to be settled before investing in the move.
The signal is still only an A. While the WPB market can and has been served successfully by A's, I don't think one has ever been successful when going up directly against a C.
omega said:
Unless pigs have started flying, there is no such thing as a "good signal" from an A in a large metro. There are bad A's and mediocre A's, but there are no good ones.
omega said:
The company has no high billing stations. WWRF billed around $600 k in 2006, which ranks it 18th in the market, with less than 1/15th the billing of the #1 biller which bills more a month than WWRF does in a year.
And saying that a Class A FM has a small signal is hardly being negative... it is being realistic. If you do not cover 75% of the metro, they can not listen, can they?
omega said:
That is what is being reported as his new air name. Maybe he wants to distance himself from the issues that affected him in Dallas?
omega said:
Back to the subject... nobody cares about a guy who forced a Dallas station to change format.
The fact is, even if the CP is granted, WAFC is a class A can con not compete effectively with Clears Mia as it covers vastly less area and people.
ok i would not be so sure and i would even put some money into that a buddy of mine from Houston will be the new PD for these stations and i would be willing to put some money on this guy doing some major things even with a class A station....This guy is the guy that gave Omar his first break in radio its going to be interesting!
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