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New PPMs

charles123 said:
jeffdfw said:
Why is CBS clinging to The Fan? It is obvious that nobody is listening... 105.3 = crap. They could probably broadcast cricket sounds and get better ratings. I would be very interested to see how the PPMs have "improved" since they canned Mondo & Dean. Wake me when it's over. ::)

I think it's time for "Gen-X Radio 105.3".

Good grief no!
 
MikeShannon914 said:
The big story I see here is that K-104 is about to drop out of the Top 10, first time since 1994 and only the second time since 1977!! I know, we're talking 6+ and not specific demos, but that Top 10 consistency of almost 33 years is based on 12+ numbers. Maybe this explains all the 'out-with-the-old, in-with-the-new' that Hyman is doing over there. Whether you're a fan of Ken Dowe or Michael Spears, those guys (along with fellow white boy Hyman) kept the momentum going for most of four decades.

So what's the deal? Erosion of listeners due to age? (They all grew up, or 'outgrew' the music and imaging?) Is it the format? (Has the rap/hip-hop audience eroded as well, and/or moving towards more mainstream AC/Urban? Are listeners tired of the hate?) Is the black listenership in general eroding, by not bearing enough children to keep the # of available potential listeners high? (And that's not some sort of racial jab; 'white America' is dealing with the same thing. And don't look to 97.9 to find the missing audience; they're suffering as well.) Or is this 18-34 crowd consumed with their iPods? Should KKDA consider becoming what 100.3 Jamz was, a station that crossed ethnic lines, played more pop crossover, and was more community-oriented? Or is Hyman or his new GM just out of touch? Someone else can quote the national trends to tell us if any of this is the case; I don't know. I'd also like to see what the size of the industry "pie" looks like today...what's considered the total amount of people in the 18-34 demo that listen to radio? Vs 5 yrs ago, 10 yrs ago, etc.

Umm just sayin' here, but you completely fail to mention the effect that the screwed up PPM methodology plays in this situation....and that doesn't even take into account the ludicrously small sample universe Arbitron's using these days to measure the urban demos. Lose just ONE meter, and you lose a huge percentage of your sample. So my opinion is that ANY of the ratings in the DFW market are worth less than the paper Arbitron overcharges for, and will remain so unless and until Arbitron develops a reasonable methodology AND a realistic sample universe.
 
little1 said:
Do you have ANY experience in selling or valuing radio stations, or are you pulling figures out of your rear-end. I just found a place http://www.radio4sale.com/forsale.php that has a station for sale for 9x trailing BCF (broadcast cash flow, in case you didn't know)

Looking at that site brings to mind a question that I always have whenever I see listings for radio stations for sale in rural small towns. Here are two listings from that page:

Amerius, Georgia
FM station with ALL new equipment, including the tower site which is owned. Seller will consider financing to an experienced broadcaster who will relocate to [run] the station him/her self. $295,000.


and

Radio station with real estate
This is the perfect owner/operator opportunity. The well-established radio station is profitable with a minimal sales effort. It is located in a beautiful small (15,000 pop) community in Northern New York along the St.Lawrence River. The downtown office/studio building is owned, as is the separate 4-acre tower site. Both are included in the asking price of just $390,000.


Lots of houses sell for such a price.

Unfortunately, the site does not indicate how powerful the stations are or what their coverage area is. Certainly a station in the Metroplex would not sell so low because of its population. My guess is that both of those stations are located in areas that are either marginal in terms of being able to support a station or where there are too many stations for the market to be able to support.

My question is this: forget about any value of the local market, could one even build a station from scratch for such a price? Certainly one could equip a studio with second hand equipment and furniture - which is, of course, what you are getting with the purchase price. But aren't towers pretty expensive to build? And isn't there quite a lot of engineering type work that has to be paid for before one can even pick a site and put one up?

I am just curious if anyone here would have an educated guess what it would cost to build a station of the likely size that is being advertised here from scratch - and let's assume that one is doing it on the cheap and using second-hand equipment whenever possible. And, if it is likely that those particular stations are tiny in terms of their coverage, approximately what do you suppose it would cost to build from scratch a small town station of similar power to the larger rim shots which are being directed at the Metroplex?

I know that there are many parts of the country where one rarely sees new houses because the resale value would immediately be significantly less than what it cost to build as a result of a glut of existing houses. Is that pretty much the same situation with regard to radio stations in certain parts of the country? Is it likely that radio stations that sell for such a price, as a business proposition, essentially have a negative market value and that the purchase price more or less reflects not much more than the value of the real estate plus what the owner might get if he were to sell off the equipment and tower piecemeal to someone willing to haul it away?
 
XTraneous said:
Umm just sayin' here, but you completely fail to mention the effect that the screwed up PPM methodology plays in this situation

How is the methodology screwed up? The final objectors to certain aspects of the methodology have withdrawn based on Arbitron's plans for things like addresse based recruiting.


....and that doesn't even take into account the ludicrously small sample universe Arbitron's using these days to measure the urban demos.

Actually, a sample is supposed to be a mirror of the universe.

In the case of a panel, if an "urban" (I am guessing you mean either African Americans or consumers of Urban formatted radio) panelist drops off or is kicked off for non-compliance, they are replaced by a similar person. There are stratification variables on age cell, geneder, ethnicity, geography, etc., in the PPM. If a Spanish dominant hosehold drops out, a replacement with the same characteristics is put in to replace them. A panel can be very close to mirroring the universe; a perfect panel does not require weighting, in fact.

Lose just ONE meter, and you lose a huge percentage of your sample.

One meter is less than 0.01 percent of the sample. And meters are not lost individualy, husholds/residence units are. So if a panel "family" drops out, a new unit of the same size is put in... so the change would be anywhere from one person (live alone) to five or six at a time.

So my opinion is that ANY of the ratings in the DFW market are worth less than the paper Arbitron overcharges for, and will remain so unless and until Arbitron develops a reasonable methodology AND a realistic sample universe.

The sample frame using address based recruiting like Houston does is as good a technique as ever has been developed for ratings. And the underlying panel based methodology is solid.
 
Actually there's 18.6 "Spanish" shares (6+) according to the ratings link right at the top of this page.

And everything I've read, like this
http://dallashispanictx.usachamber.com/custom2.asp?pageid=3049
The Hispanic portion of the total DFW population is expected to swell from 21.7 percent in 2000 to 55.6 percent by the year 2040. .
says the Hispanic population is growing. If the hispanic population is booming, and the African-American population is just static, wouldn't that possibly account for the increase in Spanish-language stations and the perceived decline inr atings of K104?

Or to put it another way, go to DFWradio archives and look at the top 10. And notice how long K104 has been there and when Spanish stations start to show up...For a long time (years) there's no spanish station in the top 10. Then it starts to flip around- KESS for a while, now KLNO. You can believe that there's no correlation, but there are 12 stations with Spanish formats listed on the ratings, totaling almost 19 shares. They have to have been taking that from SOMEONE.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
And your example is over a year old, AND from a market that's so potent and so apples-to-oranges from DFW that you can't really compare them fairly to each other.
Take DE's figure, that prices here are 35-40% of LA's. That 137 million would (at 40%) make it worth 52 million, right? Double your figure.
And you're right, we don't know what it might sell for. But didn't I read a coupleof days ago that Cumulus just got a billion dollars from some Venture Capital firm to buy stations? Bet they're looking to buy with that cash. A lot of other groups are still trying to pay down (or restructure) debt, but I wouldn't be suprised to see another round of station buying go on-

Even CBS and CC are horse-trading stations instead of buying anything outright. KKDA-FM may be well worth $100 million on paper, but if the highest bidder is $20 mil, and Hyman said, "best offer," then $20 mil would be the price. .
Have you read the papers? Probably easier to horsetrade then get financing. And why would an owner say "best offer"? He can wait a few years, let the markets bounce back, and get that 100 million (that it may be worth on paper)...
 
little1 said:
He can wait a few years, let the markets bounce back, and get that 100 million (that it may be worth on paper)...
I hope you meant that sarcastically. The market's NOT going to bounce back when it comes to radio stations. The industry's dying because radio wasn't proactive in finding ways to keep itself relevant and at the forefront. Once the older generation's died off, who's going to listen anymore? (And the industry thumbs its nose to that generation, anyway, by assuming they have no buying power.) And with some cars now coming out (purposely) with no radio, just a great speaker system with an iPod dock, or a wireless connection to Pandora (and coming up, wireless connections to a possible 35,000 web stations,) hey, it's only a matter of time. And take away the music (courtesy of the Performance Rights Act) and make it all talk - all the time.....double YAWN. Little1, I know you and many, many others still count on radio for your livelihood, and I understand why it's important to stay optimistic. But me personally (knee-jerker and answer-pulled-from-my-ass me, of course,) I see the writing on the wall. Now that's not to say that 'pulling out all stops' and going b@lls to the wall for the next ten years couldn't net someone a nice living in radio, but there's a finite ending here. (Ride a trend, make some money, and bail out...Not the best business model, but some folks do it that way.) Oh, sure, maybe radio will still be around in some form, but it won't be RELEVANT. In 10 years, turning on the radio will be more of a nostalgic thing...much like dragging out old yearbooks or that old 8-track player and reminiscing.

"Just sayin'". ;D

If radio had a bright future, why have salaries gone down? Ad rates? The pool of interested advertisers? Employee counts? INTEREST?
 
Radio is a proven moneymaker. Satellite is barely making a profit (after decades of losing money) and I see no reason to think that web radiois going to be any different.
And I get that you have reason to be negative- if I was out of a full time gig I'd probably be pretty bitter too. But that doesn't mean you're right.

You don't KNOW that radio is dead. Could it be in trouble? Sure. But radio is 2 things- a content provider and an advertising medium. But they've got a business model that works. We know how to make money in radio. Other content providers? XM/Sirius had to merge. Pandora is struggling to be profitable, and if they start streaming to millions of cars- well, someone has to pay for all that bandwidth. And some dude in his garage? He's doing it as a hobby and is going to have a darn hard time selling advertising on his internet radio station...

And if radio doesn't appeal to the younger generation, why is KISS still number 1 in the ratings? Why is The Wolf (which skews younger) beating KSCS (which skews older)??? If you've got any evidence thatradio is dying, bring it to the table and let's talk about it. But the fact that stations are trimming payrolls during an economic downturn isn't really that great a piece of evidence.

And where do you get your info that ad rates are going down? The pool of interested advertisers shrinking? I'd hate to think that this is just more fact-free, knee-jerk posting from you. Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but like I sad the other day, it helps if you're opinion is based on facts. Not made up opinions that may or may not have a basis in reality...
 
"In 10 years, turning on the radio will be more of a nostalgic thing...much like dragging out old yearbooks or that old 8-track player and reminiscing."

Are you kidding me? What a ridiculous statement. The Top 10 stations in DFW cume an average of 1,000,000 listeners a week. The top 10 18-34 stations cume about 400K listeners a week. The average age of Radio listener in DFW is only 41. Hardly sounds like a dying medium.

For someone with an abundance of Radio knowledge...I expect better rationale.
 
Nightpattern said:
For someone with an abundance of Radio knowledge...I expect better rationale.
Well, I know what I read in the trades, what the word on the street is, what other choices are coming down the pike, and what the reality is on the station level. Citadel's not bankrupt because they're stupid. (Well, then again...) Hey, if radio makes it AND is still relevant and viable in 10 years, no one will be happier about it than me. I just do a double-take when someone steps up to say how wonderful the radio industry is these days. I'm just not seeing things through the same rose-colored glasses. I've already stated my personal feelings. You don't have to agree.

Then again, maybe the issue is what you think of as "radio" vs what I think of. I still value live and local. I like music. I like to be entertained by someone who respects a listener's intelligence. I like some variety. I like my favorite jocks to love what they're doing, to be on-the-job long term and to be paid properly for their services. If I have to put up with spots, make the load light, and play ones that respect my intelligence (repeating an 800 number FOUR times in a row in the same spot speaks to morons.) If there's important news or major weather issues, I want to know about them. Oh, and make me feel a little connected to my local world, without talking about politics or something only appealing on a national level (talking about some funny billboard along Central Expwy beats chatter about "American Idol," BTW.) If I choose to listen to talk, just give me the facts and let ME decide what to think. I don't need a "spin" or to be talked down to...and I sure don't need to be told what the masses think and how "I" should be on board with it, too.

The "radio" you speak of in ten years will most certainly be 100% voicetracked, and/or syndicated, and will be perhaps 80% talk/opinion. Yeah, shortwave still exists, too...and the future version of "radio" will be as irrelevant.

Little1...I know you have me pegged as bitter over one negative "radio" circumstance, but read back over my 10 years of posts on this board. My personal outlook for radio has remained unchanged. Whether I'm in it or not, I just don't see this bright future you speak of, and I never have. I don't feel sh*t on by the industry; I've worked for ABCRN and BizRadio as well, and neither one of those even exist anymore. It's more about the path taken by the industry; the arrogance of assuming that, no matter how the corporations pilfer from it and rape it and dilute the product into something weak and brainless, radio WILL survive and people WILL listen or else. Regardless of my job situation, that's my PERSONAL view, and, unless something changes (ha,) that's how I'm going to keep feeling. Sorry if you find that upsetting.
 
I think you're all right to some extent. Radio isn't going to die, but it is going to be a much smaller, less relevant medium...imo of course.
 
satradio said:
I think you're all right to some extent. Radio isn't going to die, but it is going to be a much smaller, less relevant medium...imo of course.
keep in mind ALOT of things have come and gone since they announced Radio Is Dead and Radio is still here..
i'm kind of wondering if The Internet will be here 30 years from now, what about you?
 
little1 said:
Actually there's 18.6 "Spanish" shares (6+) according to the ratings link right at the top of this page.

12+ published elsewhere shows an average of just around 16 to 17 over the last 6 books; five years ago it was higher if not the same. My point is that Spanish language shares have not increased in the past few years.

The Hispanic portion of the total DFW population is expected to swell from 21.7 percent in 2000 to 55.6 percent by the year 2040. . says the Hispanic population is growing. If the hispanic population is booming, and the African-American population is just static, wouldn't that possibly account for the increase in Spanish-language stations and the perceived decline inr atings of K104?

The Arbitron maket, today, is 25.5% Hispanic based on Claritas / ACS data for 2009. There are many demographers who believe the ACS has slightly overestimated Hispanic populations to avoid the undercount of the annual estimates a decade ago. Most of the growth in the last 3 years has been from born-here second generation Hispanics, who are not big consumers of Spanish language media. The Mexican government estimates in 2 to 3 million the number of Mexicans who were in the US who have returned to Mexico due to the economy. In other words, the Spanish dominant group may be stable for some time but will not grow unless inbound migration returns. "Hispanic" does not mean "Spanish speaking" and you can look at more established places like Abuquerque and San Antonio, where less than a quarter of Hispanics are Spanish dominant.

If the population of the metro increases to 40% or 50% Hispanic some time in the future, the growth will be in second and third generation Hispanics who don't use much, if any, Spanish language radio.


Or to put it another way, go to DFWradio archives and look at the top 10. And notice how long K104 has been there and when Spanish stations start to show up...For a long time (years) there's no spanish station in the top 10. Then it starts to flip around- KESS for a while, now KLNO. You can believe that there's no correlation, but there are 12 stations with Spanish formats listed on the ratings, totaling almost 19 shares. They have to have been taking that from SOMEONE.

First, there was no decent format in Spanish on a decent signal until the last roughly 10 years... following 94.1 going to Spanish language broadcasting. Throughout the major Hispanic markets in the last 15 years, give or take, the of significant FM signals increased shares dramatically; those shares came in no small part from people who had nothing to listen to on the radio and thus did not use radio a lot...

The Spanish dominant percentage of the population in Dallas is actually a bit lower now than in recent years.
 
DavidEduardo said:
First, there was no decent format in Spanish on a decent signal until the last roughly 10 years... following 94.1 going to Spanish language broadcasting.

A little correction...KLNO 94.1 was not the first Spanish-language FM on a full signal in the market. In fact, you just have to rewind history on that signal. In the '80s, it was Spanish-language as KESS, KSSA-FM, and KOJO. The Spanish-language format and KSSA calls were moved to 1600 (previously talk KTNS) and 94.1 flipped to English contemporary Christian in July 1987 as "Cojo 94" (they wanted the KLTY calls previously used on 94.9 before it flipped to top 40 KHYI, but an AC in Kansas City...now the present day WDAF-FM 106.5...had them). When the KC station changed calls to KXXR in 1989, KOJO grabbed the KLTY calls, where they remained for a decade.
 
Mike says..."I still value live and local.  I like music.  I like to be entertained by someone who respects a listener's intelligence.  I like some variety.  I like my favorite jocks to love what they're doing, to be on-the-job long term and to be paid properly for their services.  If I have to put up with spots, make the load light, and play ones that respect my intelligence (repeating an 800 number FOUR times in a row in the same spot speaks to morons.)  If there's important news or major weather issues, I want to know about them.  Oh, and make me feel a little connected to my local world, without talking about politics or something only appealing on a national level"

Variety?  There's 55 rated Radio stations in this market.  I'd say that all the viable formats are well covered and there's even big signal stations for some of the fringe stuff (WRR, KXT)

Live and Local?  Plenty of live and local shows going on here everyday.  Most of the morning shows are live.  Even some of the midday and PM Drive shows are still live.  Not as much as we would all like.  But there are still lots of folks that love their jobs playing the hits these days. 

You want all your favorite jocks to be paid 6 figures but then again the station can't be running too many spots (to cover those salaries) oh...and the spots must all be "intelligent"...c'mon.

News and weather....you can't find any?  I believe almost all the morning shows here have a news component but if you need more there's always WBAP, KRLD or KLIF.  Severe weather? I think just about everyone here stops down for that..even the FM stations.

You wants things to be 19-- all over again.  Sorry....that's not going to happen.  But, don't run down the entire industry because things change.  Maybe Citadel is bankrupt but so was GM.  Is the automotive industry done?  Hardly.  It's re-tooling for the new world.  Which is what Radio is doing. 

The weather been nice lately.  Get in the car...roll down the windows....kick on the Radio and relax.  Life's too short.
 
satradio said:
I think you're all right to some extent. Radio isn't going to die, but it is going to be a much smaller, less relevant medium...imo of course.

I don't think terrestrial radio is going to go away anytime soon - and I actually think it will actually outlive broadcast television which I think is far more doomed in the short term. And I think there will always be a demand for most of the sort of programing that is currently being offered by radio and television.

But if one simply projects current and established technological trends out far enough into the future, I think is almost a given that the vast majority of today's broadcast type programing - be it on radio, television, satellite, cable or Internet radio - will eventually move to on-demand forms of delivery.

This transition is already well underway for television and has been ever since the introduction of programmable VHS recorders. The days of people rearranging their schedules and rushing home in order to sit in front of an electronic box to get their one and only chance to view a particular program is pretty much a quaint, and, for most people, a not so very fond memory. Broadcast and cable television survive because they are still the most efficient method of distributing the content to a wide audience. But it is certainly not the most convenient method from a consumer standpoint as remembering to set a recorder is a hassle and, if one forgets to set it, one is limited to a choice of only the programs that are on at that particular moment.

From a consumer standpoint, the most convenient method of accessing content is to be able to pick from ANY program without any time or day of week limitations and without having to anticipate and remember to record it in advance. Once the necessary bandwidth becomes widespread enough and cheap enough, that will be the obvious way people will choose to get most of the content they currently get on television. And they will have their choice of any episode of any program they want going back to the infancy of television and will be able to watch it based on their schedule, not some station or network's. The only thing that is stopping it from fully happening right now is the speed of technological development and deployment.

I think that trend will actually take much longer to take hold in radio programing despite the fact that the technological barrier is much smaller. And the reason why radio will survive longer is the same reason why television will die sooner: consumer convenience.

There is no greater fan of Internet content than myself - and there is precious little on modern terrestrial radio stations besides news/talk programing that is of any interest to me. But if I am taking short trips around town, I almost never bother with tuning in Internet stations on my smartphone or mess with an mp3 player. If I don't like what is on WBAP at the moment, I usually just shut the radio off. Messing with a smartphone or mp3 player and selecting the content I want is not something that is particularly easy or safe to do while driving. And while it is not all that difficult or time consuming, it is still a bit of a hassle to do when one gets into a car and is in a hurry to get going. Much easier just to turn on the radio.

Operating a radio is ridiculously simple - you simply twist a tuner or hit a preset and forget about it. A lot of people listen to the radio in a rather out of focus manner and simply use it as background noise or something to keep them company when they are driving. They are not exactly indifferent about what they listen to - but, on the other hand, they usually aren't all that picky either.

Someone who is EXTREMELY picky about the content he is listening to is probably ALREADY listening to CDs, mp3s, podcasts or Internet streams. For such a person, the minor hassle of bringing along CDs, downloading mp3s and podcasts or contending with clunky smartphone Internet radio aps is not a particularly big deal. But most people aren't all that picky, especially if they are not going to be in the car for very long. And most people listening to the radio at work don't even WANT to listen to programming that they find to be TOO compelling - otherwise, it will actually become a distraction.

Yes, tea drinkers can get dozens of varieties of much higher quality specialty teas at Central Market and even more at online tea merchants for not too much more money - but most people don't want to bother with the hassle and are perfectly content with the pedestrian mass market Lipton type stuff they pick up at Wal-mart. Yes, you can get tens of thousands of stations and far greater selection and quality on Internet radio - but most people don't want to go through the bother and are perfectly content with the pedestrian mass market type stuff on AM/FM.

Television will die sooner because people make a far greater investment of time and attention span into a TV broadcast - and, as a result, they are far more selective about what they watch and far more willing to invest a little bit of time and effort in weighing their options and making a decision. If you find daytime TV options boring, you are probably not going to suffer though them when you are home from work sick if you have better on-demand options open to you even if they do require a little bit of effort on your part to tune into. On the other hand, many people who drive home from work at 8:00 PM and listen to Laura Ingrahm on WBAP would probably prefer to listen to Rush Limbaugh instead - but how many to the degree that they would be willing to go through the hassle of downloading Limbaugh's podcast, even if it was available to them for free?

Because people tend to listen to radio while doing other things, the path of least resistance is very often to simply put up with what is on rather than seeking out alternatives. Since a TV program is more demanding of time and attention, people are necessarily more choosy.

What will eventually kill radio as we know it today will be when the day comes that accessing on-demand audio content will be as easy and convenient as it currently is to listen to the radio. That day will come when wireless broadband is dirt cheap and ubiquitous and our radios, televisions, telephones, mp3 players, video players and PCs will all morph into a single device the size of today's cell phones that can simultaneously plug into multiple peripherals such as monitors, keyboards, printers, audio systems and handsets on an as-needed basis. One of those peripherals, which will be the end for radio as we know it, will be an audio tuning device just as easy to operate as today's radios.

Someday, we will all be wirelessly connected at all times to a handful of huge music databases, most likely operated by performance rights organizations such as ASCAP or SoundExchange, where one can, for a small fraction of a cent, instantly access as many times as one wishes pretty much any musical recording that has been issued to the public since the 1890s.

Prefer for someone else to pick out the music for you? No problem - just open up a playlist that someone else has put together for you which will automatically stream the chosen recordings from the database. There will probably be a small industry of people who publish such playlists for every sort of musical taste imaginable. In such a world, why would an mp3 player or a music radio station ever be necessary for most people? Pandora is nothing more than a very crude and primitive step in that direction and it, too, will become obsolete.

Prefer a real live human disc jockey personality to introduce musical recordings and engage in chit-chat? No problem. Such programs will most likely still exist - but they will do so on an on-demand basis. Why waste a really good dj's talents and all of one's production expenses by limiting one's audience by geography and only to those are in a position to tune in at a particular time of day? By going on-demand, the program will be available around the world to listeners at any time of day. It benefits both consumer by making more choices available and the content producer by making a wider potential audience available.

Those same advantages for both consumer and producer will probably also cause most talk show type programs to find a way to adapt to on-demand delivery. Many such programs are already successfully aired on a time delay - so there is no reason why most cannot be made to work on-demand.

You are driving along on the freeway and wish to listen to your favorite talk show host. Just punch a pre-set and his most recent program will stream - or pick out the program from earlier in the week that you missed. Find yourself at your destination when the host is about to make an interesting point? Tune back in at the same spot when you get back in your vehicle. Want to listen to country music? Press a preset and the latest playlist file by some playlist writer you have subscribed to will instantly download and start playing. Want to catch up on the news or weather? Just press a preset and the most recent update of either will stream from your news organization of choice. Want a traffic report? Program the device to automatically interrupt whatever you are listening to if a traffic situation emerges along your route of travel.

When that day arrives, an AM/FM station will be little more than just another potential preset option that must compete with an endless number of on-demand preset options. When that day arrives, any type of programing that CAN be successfully consumed on-demand WILL move to on-demand. When that day arrives, all that will be left of radio and television type programing as we know it will be content that does NOT lend itself towards on-demand. For example, people prefer to watch sporting events live. How many people are interested in last week's game when they already know what happened? Same with BREAKING and UNFOLDING news coverage which, by its very nature, has a shelf life which expires almost immediately. THAT is the where the long term future of radio and television is - assuming that they will even have a long term future.

The question is, once everything that can be moved to on-demand has made that move, will there be enough demand for live programing to keep a station or channel supplied with around the clock content? And will there be enough demand to support the very expensive infrastructure needed to broadcast terrestrially? Or will such programing itself go "on demand" in the form of streams that are active and available only when specific sporting events or breaking news stories occur?

If I owned a TV station, I would be asking myself how I could create compelling local programing for the day when the national networks and syndicated programing distributors decide that there is more money to be made in distributing their content themselves on an "always-on" and "forever-on" basis rather than messing with a bunch of local stations each demanding their cut and only airing the content once at a specific time thereby limiting the number of potential viewers.

Radio will still be around for a good number of years. But the first stations to fade away will be those that carry little besides national and syndicated programing and cookie cutter music formats heard in every market. The producers of such content will be the ones who will have the most to gain when on-demand becomes widespread, convenient and viable. Such individual programs will become another preset that will compete on the listener's dial with the presets of the stations which once would have been their affiliates.

The stations that manage to remain standing will be those that are very live and very local. Those will be the only ones which have any chance at all of being able to compete with and stand out amongst the flood of extremely diverse and compelling on-demand options which will be every bit as convenient and effortless to access.

Anyhow, I have zero experience in radio beyond operating an amateur Internet station. I regard it as a serious endeavor - but that does not make it any less than amateur. I do not pretend for a moment that I am especially knowledgeable about broadcasting or the industry - because I am not. But I have eyes and an active mind and am observant. I have watched with delight and glee the emergence of the Internet and the flood of wonderful content that was previously unavailable to people like myself with unusual tastes and zero interest in today's pop culture offerings. All I am doing here is projecting existing trends that I, as an intelligent layman, have observed to their logical conclusion. That is the only way anyone can predict the future - to project existing trends. And, of course, there is never any guarantee that existing trends will continue or that new and radically different ones will not emerge. If something comes along that causes bandwidth prices (adjusted for currency inflation, of course) to significantly rise rather than fall then all bets are off and radio and television will have a new lease on life.
 
txchipk said:
First, there was no decent format in Spanish on a decent signal until the last roughly 10 years... following 94.1 going to Spanish language broadcasting.

A little correction...KLNO 94.1 was not the first Spanish-language FM on a full signal in the market. In fact, you just have to rewind history on that signal. In the '80s, it was Spanish-language as KESS, KSSA-FM, and KOJO.

Note the bold faced word in my statement. The KESS format was somewhere about 500 miles south of Dreadful on the road to Unlistenable. Neither place is to be confused with either Odessa or Lubbock.

I don't recall the KOJO calls for Spanish language; "Cojo" (there is no "K" in correct Spanish") means "limp" or "lame" and also the first person singlular of the verb "cojer" which is the "F" word in Mexican Spanish.
 
DavidEduardo said:
txchipk said:
First, there was no decent format in Spanish on a decent signal until the last roughly 10 years... following 94.1 going to Spanish language broadcasting.

A little correction...KLNO 94.1 was not the first Spanish-language FM on a full signal in the market. In fact, you just have to rewind history on that signal. In the '80s, it was Spanish-language as KESS, KSSA-FM, and KOJO.

Note the bold faced word in my statement. The KESS format was somewhere about 500 miles south of Dreadful on the road to Unlistenable. Neither place is to be confused with either Odessa or Lubbock.
Gotcha

I don't recall the KOJO calls for Spanish language; "Cojo" (there is no "K" in correct Spanish") means "limp" or "lame" and also the first person singlular of the verb "cojer" which is the "F" word in Mexican Spanish.

I think it still branded on air under KSSA. 94.1 changed calls from KSSA-FM to KOJO in March 1987. The actual change to contemporary Christian "Cojo 94" didn't happen until the July 4th weekend. They ran a loop of an announcer saying KSSA was moving to 1600 followed by English announcer saying the new format was coming (with a "Turn on the Light, FM94 KOJO" jingle).

It's been too long, but I think 1270 and 94.1 were co-owned back then (when you could only own one AM and one FM) by one member of the Rodriguez family and another family member bought KTNS 1600.
 
Old Jack said:
T4 In Rockwall said:
I wish CBS would buy The Ticket, that way The Ticket could be treated like the kings they are. Put money into a product and you'll make it back ten fold. They might be winning the ratings, but put them on a strong FM station and they are bound to make someone tons of money. When it all comes down to it, it's all about money.

No, no, no, no, never, never, never. never!

If CBS had owned the Ticket a few years back when the Greggo situation blew up, they would have fired Greggo, flipped the format, and tanked the whole damn thing.

The Ticket is better off with a dispassionate owner who will be a tad neglectful, but also leave them the heck alone and just enjoyed the money rolling in.
The only reason they would have flipped the format is if the ratings weren't up to par. This hasn't been that way at The Ticket in years.
 
satradio said:
I think you're all right to some extent. Radio isn't going to die, but it is going to be a much smaller, less relevant medium...imo of course.

agreed
Those jocks with jobs at the end of this or next year are going to be on all over the country I think too
 
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