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Don't foget, CBS would have to spend money ( i.e. pay human beings ) to create sound to broadcast on a sports talk station. Their automated music computers do just fine in the " not having to pay a staff " plan.

Seems like they are doing just fine. If they want out so bad, how come they have not sold?
 
Here we go again.

The latest incarnation of this rumor has CBS actually picking up domains that could be used in conjunction with a sports talk flip, though I don't have any details on how that panned out.

I'm hearing nothing imminent out of the CBS building(s), though that could just mean it hasn't made it to me, yet.

The facts haven't changed, and they were posted earlier in this thread.

How much money does CBS want to spend in a market they are theoretically hoping to abandon one day, when the station sale market picks up?

Well, they threw some bucks at Maxwell for WNCX, but that's just one show.

As noted here, their Pittsburgh all-sports station is paired with a TV O&O. They could conceivably stay in Pgh, even if they slim down to two TV stations and two radio stations (that sports FM - KDKA-FM/93.7 - and heritage news/talker KDKA/1020) as an adjunct to their TV stations.

Here, they don't own their TV affiliate, 19 Basement News.

Make no mistake, CBS does very, very well with their FM sports stations..."The Ticket" is a monster in Detroit, atop both ratings and revenue.

But again, where do you put a CBS FM sports station? Which of the four stations gets blown up?
 
Capulet said:
Seems like they are doing just fine. If they want out so bad, how come they have not sold?
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The economy and radio station sales market tanked. Who buys these stations in 2011?

It appears to be getting better. But CBS, while repeating it wanted out of the non-top 10 markets, has also always made it clear they won't do a fire sale.
 
Nathan Obral said:
For the record, I don't see any station in the CBS or CC camp flipping to sports. WMMS (if they ever had the balls to poach Jim Rome) would be the closest thing, especially with the 'man-cave' motif. But that's about it.

It's a shame that this market has NO all-sports radio station whatsoever. The closest thing I can think of is WARF/1350 out in Akron. A real gosh-darn shame.
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I guess you don't count 850 or 1540 then.
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
Here we go again.

The latest incarnation of this rumor has CBS actually picking up domains that could be used in conjunction with a sports talk flip, though I don't have any details on how that panned out.

I'm hearing nothing imminent out of the CBS building(s), though that could just mean it hasn't made it to me, yet.

The facts haven't changed, and they were posted earlier in this thread.

How much money does CBS want to spend in a market they are theoretically hoping to abandon one day, when the station sale market picks up?

Well, they threw some bucks at Maxwell for WNCX, but that's just one show.

As noted here, their Pittsburgh all-sports station is paired with a TV O&O. They could conceivably stay in Pgh, even if they slim down to two TV stations and two radio stations (that sports FM - KDKA-FM/93.7 - and heritage news/talker KDKA/1020) as an adjunct to their TV stations.

Here, they don't own their TV affiliate, 19 Basement News.

Make no mistake, CBS does very, very well with their FM sports stations..."The Ticket" is a monster in Detroit, atop both ratings and revenue.

But again, where do you put a CBS FM sports station? Which of the four stations gets blown up?
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92.3 makes as much sense as anything.

They change formats and call letters the way most people change their socks.
 
vjm said:
Nathan Obral said:
For the record, I don't see any station in the CBS or CC camp flipping to sports. WMMS (if they ever had the balls to poach Jim Rome) would be the closest thing, especially with the 'man-cave' motif. But that's about it.

It's a shame that this market has NO all-sports radio station whatsoever. The closest thing I can think of is WARF/1350 out in Akron. A real gosh-darn shame.
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I guess you don't count 850 or 1540 then.
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WKNR is a sports marketing tool and, with tRBS, a poor man's "man-cave" motif.

KNR2 is a hobbyist internet station with a small daytime 1kW transmitter that has ZERO ratings.

Neither one of them are "all-sports stations."
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
Capulet said:
Seems like they are doing just fine. If they want out so bad, how come they have not sold?
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The economy and radio station sales market tanked. Who buys these stations in 2011?

It appears to be getting better. But CBS, while repeating it wanted out of the non-top 10 markets, has also always made it clear they won't do a fire sale.
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Especially after they gave up their three-station Denver cluster to Wilks Broadcasting for $19.5M. And CBS has - and still has - a TV O&O in that market!

If Denver was only valued at $19.5M (albeit right at the cusp of the 2008 economic collapse)... how much is the Cleveland cluster REALLY worth?
 
)... how much is the Cleveland cluster REALLY worth?
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good question........whatever someone wants to pay....?
 
gabigley1 said:
VODood said:
Do I think it will happen? No.
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Also, has The Ohio Media Watch taken an officially potion on this? It appears they think this will
not happen but have yet to post anything on their site about this rumor.
http://ohiomediawatch.wordpress.com/

If this were to happen, 92.3 would be blown up, not the other CBS stations.
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NCX, DOK, and QAL are all soild as a rock...if it ain't broke...

Now KRK has long been a guinea pig for "flavor of the month" formats, so flipping them is like the sun rising in the morning.

But if CBS wants to see if a format that is working in other cities can work here, why not give it a shot.

Maybe some competition would give KNR a kick in the pants, and make guys like Hammer and Ned a little uncomfortable, so they'd either pick their game up or need to be reshuffled.
 
Nathan Obral said:
vjm said:
Nathan Obral said:
For the record, I don't see any station in the CBS or CC camp flipping to sports. WMMS (if they ever had the balls to poach Jim Rome) would be the closest thing, especially with the 'man-cave' motif. But that's about it.

It's a shame that this market has NO all-sports radio station whatsoever. The closest thing I can think of is WARF/1350 out in Akron. A real gosh-darn shame.
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I guess you don't count 850 or 1540 then.
Click to expand...

WKNR is a sports marketing tool and, with tRBS, a poor man's "man-cave" motif.

KNR2 is a hobbyist internet station with a small daytime 1kW transmitter that has ZERO ratings.

Neither one of them are "all-sports stations."
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Totally agree. "sports marketing tool" is a perfect definition. I would not consider them an "all sports station". Just because they have SOME sports programing, doesnt make them an "all sports station".
 
gabigley1 said:
VODood said:
Do I think it will happen? No.
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Also, has The Ohio Media Watch taken an officially potion on this? It appears they think this will
not happen but have yet to post anything on their site about this rumor.
http://ohiomediawatch.wordpress.com/

If this were to happen, 92.3 would be blown up, not the other CBS stations.
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"An official potion?" What, me and the Primary Editorial Voice(tm) are warlocks all of a sudden? ;D

In all seriously, gabigley1, the two of us don't post rumors for the sake of posting rumors. And a rumor as wild as this isn't newsworthy *UNTIL* it actually takes place. What was posted on [the other radio chat site] was meant for the sake of discussion. The intents and missions of that site is completely and wholeheartedly different from OMW's.

And as to answer in advance about Twitter feeds: what I post on my own account does not reflect the same views of the Primary Editorial Voice(tm) or of the blog itself. I have no control over OMW's Twitter feed. Just the way the world works.
 
Even though it's licensed to Summit county, 98.1 could put a good enough signal over the Cleveland metro to be a contender, especially if they shut off the stereo subcarrier. I doubt CC would blow up WKDD to simulcast WHLO or WARF. I have to beleive that KDD out bills both of those stations several times over, so unless they were going to rutn it into a de-facto Cleveland move-in I don't see that happening.
 
John Baylor said:
Don't see anything in Akron or Canton flipping. I'm buying spots on the AMs running FSR for $2 vs. $75+ for WKDD. Have you listened to 1350? Psa, psa, psa, no way it's a money maker. WHBC switched to sporting News at night and it's the same thing, psa, psa, promo, psa.
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I've listened to 1350 at night for kicks and giggles, and indeed. Those local spot loads are almost entirely consisted of PSAs.

Same situation with WEOL here in Elyria... at night, a lot of those slots are either PSAs, station promos, or FSR 'make-goods.' That's been the case for nearly a whole decade.

And during the late 90s until a few years back, WKNR had --ZERO-- local ads whatsoever in overnights. It was either the raw ESPN feed or a string of station promos filling up the spot load.
 
Nathan Obral said:
"An official potion?" What, me and the Primary Editorial Voice(tm) are warlocks all of a sudden? ;D
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I am far from magical.

:D

I've talked about this on Twitter/FB today, but just as idle chatter based on Lance's item on the registrations.

At one point, I made it clear...just because domains have been (anonymously) registered doesn't mean CBS is flipping 92.3 to sports tomorrow, next week or ever.

There are rumors going around the market. I wouldn't call them particularly intense rumors, but they don't come from OMW, as I haven't addressed this on the blog itself, and not at all until the social media activity today.

To make it clear - I'm hearing no direct rumors out of either of the CBS Radio buildings, let alone any factual information.

There are points in favor of a flip, and points against it. I covered these on Twitter/FB this afternoon.

So, the verdict, as gabigley1 awaits anxiously? There's smoke, but the fire may just be some guy burning his leaves in a barrel.
 
Nathan brought up a good point about the 923TheFan.com registration...

CC owns "The Fan", the AM sports talker in Detroit (WDFN/1130) that's had its lunch, dinner and dessert eaten by CBS' "The Ticket" (since its move to 97.1), and CC also owns a 92.3 in Detroit.

It's urban contemporary "Mix 92.3", and it doesn't appear to be hurting with a quick look at the Detroit 6+ numbers.

But Nathan's point was that CBS would register "923TheFan.com" to pre-empt Clear Channel (though if they had an idea to move WDFN to FM, they could certainly come up with another domain name).

BTW, once again, Nathan is correct - this OhioMediaWatch account on R-I, the Twitter and Facebook accounts, are all only mine. Nathan only has "contributor" access to post on the blog, and his contributions are labeled "Secondary Editorial Voice".

Yes, I know no one cares, but now gabigley knows...the REST of the story!

(RIP, Mr. Harvey.)
 
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