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NEW SPORTS STATION

WNWV dropped the successful "Wave" format, because it was on its way to becoming not successful.

Moody Bible is not going to sell their full market signal they are so lucky to have unless they can get an equally strong signal in its place, along with ton of cash.

Why would CBS want to spend potentially big bucks on many or some local hosts when they would like to find a buyer and leave this market?
 
Here's a scenario that I don't think is likely to occur, but fun to talk about... What if someone wanted to go FM sports talk, but needed to do it on the cheap... meaning that they had almost 24/7 syndicated content with a few local, possibly brokered shows on the weekend?
 
johnbasalla said:
Why would CBS want to spend potentially big bucks on many or some local hosts when they would like to find a buyer and leave this market?

And as people ask me about these rumors, that's the one thing I can't get past.

CBS won't run a sports talker on the cheap. Heck, in Pittsburgh, their "Fan" station is live overnights!

So if someone does that on FM, that someone won't be CBS.
 
I say MWL 6-10 in the mornings as a hot talk show, like it is now, on an FM station that did sports the rest of the day and maybe 98.5 as well would be awesome. That's probably not even remotely likely though huh?

I gota chance to meet Maxwell tonight, and then hang out a little bit with Stansbury and Ribz and I think if they added Ribz as a full time member of the show he and Dan together have enough sports knowledge to be "go to" sports guys during regular discussion on the show, plus Max is a huge hockey fan; if they started say 92.3 in the Mornings 6-10 and also have a regular sports update from... um, well I forgot who does the sports updates coming out commercials for CBS radio that could work too.

On a related note, since CBS doesn't own any other stations outside of the Cleveland area, would it theoretically be possible for MWL to be syndicated in say Columbus on like GenX and The Frog in the Natti even though they are under different ownership? I think Rover did this when he was on in Memphis right?

I'd imagine it would have to be under a new contract if it were possible right?

Can you tell, I just really want these guys to do well? They really make my day better. Although Dan still wants to go back to afternoon hot talk lol, of course we were drinking when we were talkin about it, so that;s probably why. :)
 
dasfonzie said:
I say MWL 6-10 in the mornings as a hot talk show, like it is now, on an FM station that did sports the rest of the day and maybe 98.5 as well would be awesome. That's probably not even remotely likely though huh?

I gota chance to meet Maxwell tonight, and then hang out a little bit with Stansbury and Ribz and I think if they added Ribz as a full time member of the show he and Dan together have enough sports knowledge to be "go to" sports guys during regular discussion on the show, plus Max is a huge hockey fan; if they started say 92.3 in the Mornings 6-10 and also have a regular sports update from... um, well I forgot who does the sports updates coming out commercials for CBS radio that could work too.

On a related note, since CBS doesn't own any other stations outside of the Cleveland area, would it theoretically be possible for MWL to be syndicated in say Columbus on like GenX and The Frog in the Natti even though they are under different ownership? I think Rover did this when he was on in Memphis right?

I'd imagine it would have to be under a new contract if it were possible right?

Can you tell, I just really want these guys to do well? They really make my day better. Although Dan still wants to go back to afternoon hot talk lol, of course we were drinking when we were talkin about it, so that;s probably why. :)

I have to say, I disagree. I think they show sucks, I think each individual sucks, with Dan being the most tolerable of the bunch, but that isnt saying much. I used to listen on WMMS a bit, and tried them out in the morning when they first started, but I, like most of the rest of the city, has abandoned them.

I know from an inside source that there will be no FM sports station in the CBS cluster. BUt if there was, I, personally, think that MAX and his horrible show and crew would only bring it down.

Im sorry, I guess, Im just not a fan.
 
"Im sorry, I guess, Im just not a fan."


No need to apologize. That is bad radio. The people have no talent.
 
Capulet said:
"Im sorry, I guess, Im just not a fan."


No need to apologize. That is bad radio. The people have no talent.

Even for fans of the show, WNCX's total mismanagement of it upon their return made the situation worse.

However, if there ever was a sports station to launch, Maxwell and company could be moved there to burn off their contract and to free WNCX to install a replacement morning show. Contrary to what people would think, the morning slot wouldn't be my biggest worry for a sports format... enough of a staff needs to be assembled in the first place.

I must also state again that I don't believe that CBS will even engage in flipping one of their stations to sports.
 
Nathan Obral said:
I must also state again that I don't believe that CBS will even engage in flipping one of their stations to sports.

I'm getting fairly reliable rumblings that the chances of CBS mounting that fabled FM sports station in Cleveland are somewhere between slim and none, and slim just left town.
 
Nathan Obral said:
Capulet said:
"Im sorry, I guess, Im just not a fan."


No need to apologize. That is bad radio. The people have no talent.

Even for fans of the show, WNCX's total mismanagement of it upon their return made the situation worse.

However, if there ever was a sports station to launch, Maxwell and company could be moved there to burn off their contract and to free WNCX to install a replacement morning show. Contrary to what people would think, the morning slot wouldn't be my biggest worry for a sports format... enough of a staff needs to be assembled in the first place.

I must also state again that I don't believe that CBS will even engage in flipping one of their stations to sports.

yeah it's true, although Max has taken his share of responsibility but the writing is one the wall. they wont even let them go to 10 now. I'm personally (obviously) a huge fan, and have been listening to them since 2006, and if they were able to keep better contact with their fans in the time off (Dan did make updates online time to time but I guess according their previous contract couldn't divulge specific information until almost 2 months before they actually got back on air) AND come back with no music, just the same show they wer doing well with, I think they would be in the solid #2 or #3 slot for morning talk probably still behind Rover and Lannigan, just because 98.5 is not where they should be.
 
I'm gonna try to tie several threads together here.

OMW--in the Mighty Blog of Fun(tm)--seems to indicate that there's som legitimate smoke to the fire that is CBS turning one of their FMs (92.3) into an all sports station.

Now here's several scenarios that could happen...

1. Would CBS be willing to LMA the station to...GKB? Sounds far fetched, but not impossible.

2. Maxwell goes to 92.3 (in PMD) with Jeff Kinzbach taking over mornings on NCX?

3. Would CBS be an option to poach Jim Rome off of KNR, and air him 12-3?

OMW wouldn't say anything about it on the big blog if there wasn't some kind of meat on the bone, so let's see what happens.
 
As OMW mentioned in his blog post, It seems like one of the big factors in this rumor coming back from the dead was that CBS was unable to sell it's Cleveland Cluster. I think Rome has a better chance of landing on MMS since ownership is connected with CC.
 
AntDog152 said:
As OMW mentioned in his blog post, It seems like one of the big factors in this rumor coming back from the dead was that CBS was unable to sell it's Cleveland Cluster. I think Rome has a better chance of landing on MMS since ownership is connected with CC.

Makes sense...If you're gonna be stuck with the stations, may as well make the most out of them and not merely let them sit there and rot.

And I've long been a believer that MMS would be a perfect spot for Rome to fit between Rover and Cox in the man-cave format.

All I said was that if 92.3 does flip to sports, they'd put a feeler out for him (Rome would love to have the complete 3 hour show one 1 station instead of being split up).
 
vjm said:
I'm gonna try to tie several threads together here.

OMW--in the Mighty Blog of Fun(tm)--seems to indicate that there's som legitimate smoke to the fire that is CBS turning one of their FMs (92.3) into an all sports station.

Now here's several scenarios that could happen...

1. Would CBS be willing to LMA the station to...GKB? Sounds far fetched, but not impossible.

2. Maxwell goes to 92.3 (in PMD) with Jeff Kinzbach taking over mornings on NCX?

3. Would CBS be an option to poach Jim Rome off of KNR, and air him 12-3?

OMW wouldn't say anything about it on the big blog if there wasn't some kind of meat on the bone, so let's see what happens.

1. Very unlikely. Number one, the Karmazins and CBS would have a history of bad bad blood between them. Plus GKB wouldn't have the money to pull off getting a full-market FM, even while they need to do so (in five years, WKNR will need an FM in order to stay relevant). If they get an FM for WKNR, it will have to be via a total fire-sale, especially after grossly overpaying for 850 and 1540.

2. Very possible. At the very least, it gives CBS the opportunity to burn off Maxwell's one-year contract. But if the FM sports rumor actually was true, Max would have to go to morning drive... he's notorious for hating to talk sports. And it's Kinzbach's and CBS' call whether such a return to radio is possible, but that's a best case scenario for WNCX.

3. Maybe, but that's if they want to go into this whole FM sports thing. Either they want to do it, or they don't. There's no in-between.

And given CBS' past behavior insisting on a sell-off of this market, they'd have to actually flip 92.3 to sports before I even take it seriously. Like Missouri, they will have to "show me."
 
Nate--

About Rome/CBS, I asked that question assuming FM Sports Talk was the real deal.

They wouldn't bother with Rome otherwise.

Stone Cold Lock...in 6 months, either Rome will be back on KNR 12-3, or he'll be somewhere else on the dial, but the current arrangement WILL NOT be in place.

And Kinzbach would be a perfect match as AMD host at NCX...ya don't suppose they could bring Mr. Ferenc in as part of the deal...hmm...

If you're gonna do it, do it right.
 
Possible Weekday lineup:
5-9am Maxwell (Hot Talk)
9am-12pm Dan Patrick
12-3pm Les Levine
3-6pm Bruce Drennan (Completely left field but it would be a simulcast of the STO show)
6-8pm Perhaps a new Talent
8-Overnight Sporting News Radio
 
The thing that actually got this long-standing rumor on the blog was actually Radio-Info's own Tom Taylor's item this morning...where he's hearing a sports radio PD who recently left his job, without a destination announced, "may be" headed to Cleveland.

My own sources on the matter are still what they were - nothing. CBS Radio Cleveland has been especially quiet, and I've heard nothing of any "major signings".

But the combination of the Taylor on Radio-Info item, and the fact that those pesky rumors started popping up again out of nowhere in our inbox the past few days, prompted me to finally approach the item on the blog itself.

As stated on the blog, we have NO information that this is "about to happen". It was an interesting combination of rumblings and one report in a trade newsletter (and Tom is rather good, BTW).

Now that it's out there, tho...some questions.

1) Does the new station land on 92.3 or 98.5? The latter is certainly the most competitive signal, and if CBS is serious about this (again, if they do it at all), why not?

2) Would that be a swap with WNCX, moving it to 92.3, with Maxwell in PMD and someone like a Jeff Kinsbach in morning drive? Again, not even rumor of that in this corner, but why did Maxwell do that 92.3 PMD shift today? (How did that sound, BTW? I missed it for reasons I could not fix.)

3) Are we drawing up schedules that won't exist on this mythical sports station? Maybe CBS has one or two "stars" in mind, and a whole bunch of young/new names, and maybe even some imports? They've done that before with these stations.

Moving around Les Levine, Bruce Drennan (I don't see any STO simulcast) and names like Kendall Lewis and other unemployed/underemployed Cleveland sports radio veterans on the schedule chessboard may not be in the cards for CBS, and likely, not even poaching Rome from 'KNR.

Again, IF they do this.
 
CBS already has a sports show in Cleveland. Its Alan Fee on WQAL. All he ever talks about is sports.

Make a drinking game out of it. You'll be hammered by 7:30
 
As much as people talk badly about WKNR, they do have an established audience which IMO is impressive considering they don't have any of the pro sports teams, an they are on the AM side of the dial. This is not like earlier in the year when CC turned 106.5 into The Lake. An FM All-Sports format will not work for CBS unless they can get the Indians, Cavs, or the Browns especially with WKNR still around.
 
AntDog152 said:
As much as people talk badly about WKNR, they do have an established audience which IMO is impressive considering they don't have any of the pro sports teams, an they are on the AM side of the dial. This is not like earlier in the year when CC turned 106.5 into The Lake. An FM All-Sports format will not work for CBS unless they can get the Indians, Cavs, or the Browns especially with WKNR still around.

By the same token, WKNR is the only all-sports outlet in town. Yes, I know KNR2 is a station as well, but same operation, same branding, etc. They and WTAM are the only two relevant AM stations in the market. Plus Craig's M.O. since day one has been to run WKNR as a sports marketing platform - not as a traditional sports talk station - i.e., heavily downplaying the WKNR call letters as much as possible in favor of "ESPN Cleveland."

That's good in theory, but the content on WKNR has always been severely lacking. In other words, Craig is the direct opposite of his father: Mel's belief always had been "content first."

Take tRBS for an example. That show gets ratings in part because their primary competition is Rover (first two hours), Lanigan (the first hour), Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh (final hour). Let's be honest, the latter two are conservative talk shows with viewpoints that don't connect with the majority of the existing listener base in town. As a result, tRBS gets their good ratings mostly by default. Take from that what you will. IMO, if there was a true sports show in that slot - without the kayfabe format, teeny-bopper bumper music, or highly unlikeable characters - tRBS gets creamed.

CC was and always will be unlikely to establish a sports format on any of their FM sticks so as not to encroach on WTAM. Technically, WMMS with the "man cave" format already fills that void. If anything, WTAM will eventually be relayed on the FM dial... if they can ever get the 99.1 translator CP worked out.

CBS may also be operating under the belief that they can make a serious play for any of the big three teams - the Browns most likely to come up - and may feel it's worth it to take this gamble. Remember that when WKNR had their soft launch in 1990-91, they gambled similarly with the Indians PBP rights, and won when WWWE gave them up in 1992 (KNR's then-GM, Jim Glass, held a similar position at WWWE prior).

And CBS would have the massive advantage - if they feel the Browns rights are attainable - at having the FM signal in their position. For nearly two decades, NFL teams, by rule, favor having FM flagships for their teams. WKNR doesn't have that advantage unless they buy an FM to move WKNR onto. And we haven't even gone into KNR's horrid 1959-era night pattern, which makes that station a virtual non-starter for Indians and Cavaliers PBP rights, even if they wanted to get those.

At its' start, 92.3 can also make plays for the OSU rights, Cleveland State PBP, and the Monsters. And, I guess, go for that PBP gamble against CC.
 
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