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New Sportstalk Station?

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Hi all!!! Very insightful posts here. I keep hearing a rumor (more than a few times) that a new sportstalk station is being considered here in Buffalo. I promised not to say who is looking into it to anyone but it seems logical. After all, I know it wasn't the talent on GR that got them over a 4 share. Anyone else here anything about this or is it like peace in the Middle East?.....a case of wishful thinking.
 
Maybe on the Internet...

As WGR has discovered, a sports talk station without a major sports franchise isn't a real money-maker.

Here are your options:

1. You go syndicated, which means little local content and limited local advertising revenue.

2. You go local, and have serious expenses for air talent, reporters, producers, etc., and lots of dollars for contract rights to a major sports franchise.

3. You go WGR - serious dollars for (some) hosts, nickels & dimes for reporters, producer, etc., and lots of dollars for contract rights to a major sports franchise.

I don't see any serious attempt at sports programming that will really challenge WGR in this market.
 
Re: Maybe on the Internet...

SirRoxalot said:
As WGR has discovered, a sports talk station without a major sports franchise isn't a real money-maker.

Here are your options:

1. You go syndicated, which means little local content and limited local advertising revenue.

2. You go local, and have serious expenses for air talent, reporters, producers, etc., and lots of dollars for contract rights to a major sports franchise.

3. You go WGR - serious dollars for (some) hosts, nickels & dimes for reporters, producer, etc., and lots of dollars for contract rights to a major sports franchise.

I don't see any serious attempt at sports programming that will really challenge WGR in this market.

I'm sorry? What were the ratings for WNSA again?

There is no room for two sports stations in Buffalo.

If someone out there wants to do it "better" than WGR, I wish them all the best.

At best, it would force sports to vanish from WGR,(not likely) and at worst, whoever will realize they made a mistake, resulting in their station becoming something else after only a very short time.

I'm all ears, and I also apologize in advance if I'm wrong about having this "no room for two sports stations in Buffalo" opinion...
 
its a hooey idea UN-less you ARE a major sports franchise owner who would like to better control the content of the discussion re your franchise and you can expand your sponsorship opportunities to include in game spots and more...then syndication and your broadcasts may be something worth considering if you wanted to become the new sports "voice of reason"...just a thought.
 
Re: Maybe on the Internet...

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I'm sorry? What were the ratings for WNSA again?

There is no room for two sports stations in Buffalo.
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I remember WGR and WNSA being darn close in the ratings. Of course with the Sabres doing well and only one sports station WGR now has respectable ratings.....for the moment.

Is there room? Sure. Is there room for being successful? No, not really.

I could see Regent flipping WECK to Fox or Sporting News Radio full-time or maybe adding Sports Byline USA. Or could someone wrestle away ESPN from WGR by making an agreement to air ESPN 100% of the time thereby clearing Mike & Mike and Dan Patrick as well? I've seen it happen before.

Is there big money and ratings in it? No. But it would be arguably better than what WECK is doing now.
 
No room for two stations? Thats always been the thought of some but my contention is there is room for one really good one which GR is not. I suppose that Citadel, if interested, could simulcast on AM and use all the access rightsholders enjoy to establish themselves in the market. I know the Sabres are very hot but if the Bills ever return to playoff form, their sportstalk flagship would be ready for battle.

The challenge would be offering consistant quality local content. I'm sure their are people out there who could do radio better than GR (lets face it....it wouldn't be hard) for less than the so called "talent" on 550 make.

Just a thought
 
Quantity? Or Quality?

I'm beginning to detect some disatisfaction with the quality of GR-55's sports programming outside of the Sabres broadcasts (which they don't control)...

Back when both WGR and WNSA were both doing sports, they both had under a 3-share, which put them far down the food chain when it came to selling spots. WGR actually had the better ratings, even though WNSA had the Sabres.

Now that WGR has evolved into "The Best of WNSA" (i.e. the Sabres & Howard Simon) along with "The Best of the Old WGR" (i.e. Rome, Schopp, & the Bulldog), they have managed to screw it up to the point where the whole is LESS than the sum of the parts.

Last summer, without the Sabres, WGR sank to new lows. WNSA used to act as the "Voice of Reason" compared to the bomb-throwers at WGR. Without that, there isn't even the "what are those idiots saying NOW" reason to tune into WGR.

The Sabres are the ONLY reason to tune into WGR, especially if they're not on TV, or I'm in the car and can't watch the game on TV. Otherwise, there's more carping, whining, and dysfunction among hosts than you'll find in the average marriage counselor's office. Howard Simon is constantly interrupted by the inanity of Jeremy "Mr. Self-Important for no discernable reason" White, and no longer has the parade of truly interesting guests that he interviewed so well on WNSA. The Bulldog has devolved into the role "embarrassing idiot brother-in-law" to Mike Schopp's "I'm Mr. Mensa so I don't need people who really know something about sports on my show." The amount of non-sports blather uttered by them, and Brad "I'm a personality so I don't need to give real sports information" Riter, is truly appalling. We won't even talk about the legion of rookie sports reporters and "sportscast" readers that changes weekly.

The Lake actually has much better ratings than WNSA ever had - even with the Sabres. A second sports station in this town would like have a 2-share, arguably a number that's better than WECK or 'KB is pulling, but still not enough to sell airtime to the point of profitability.

WGR should be better than it is, and with the Sabres should be a consistent 5-share radio station. The last time that happened was sometime in the '90s when it was under the tutelage of a guy named Pastrick. I almost miss Chuck "The Blow-Hard" Dickinson - or at least the early version before his ego got massively out of control. There was a time that WGR was a pretty good sports station.

The current lack of programming savvy and/or control, the forays into non-sports subjects, and the focus on "controversy" instead of actual sports information and discussion by people who really know sports - be they hosts or guests - leaves me uninterested at best, and annoyed at worst.

I think that the desire for another sports station has more to do with dissatisfaction with WGR than the size of the available sports talk audience.
 
Re: Quantity? Or Quality?

SirRoxalot said:
Last summer, without the Sabres, WGR sank to new lows.

Well, that's a problem isn't it. From the end of the NHL season through the beginning of Bills training camp there's not much to talk about. Alan Pergament seems to think they should be talking about things like the NBA. ::) Yeah, okay Alan.
 
Good, local, ratings-generating talk radio requires talented hosts, board-operators, producers, as well as news and sports anchors. It's an incredibly expensive format to produce, whether it's news talk or sports talk. I doubt that any Buffalo AM radio station has the financial and personnel assets to challenge WGR, good, bad or indifferent as it may be. Nor does any other Buffalo AM have WGR's massive (daytime) signal which, while somewhat restricted at night, covers most of the MSA to the north and south. Taking on WGR would be like WHLD trying to take on WBEN... a fool's mission.

It aslo helps to have the rights to a local major league sports franchise. Sorry, but dear as they may be to Buffalo, the Bisons aren't major league. Their front office personnel, promotion efforts and play by play crew (past and recent past) are top notch, but the Bisons simply do not generate significant ratings, certainly nowhere near the numbers put up by the Bills and the Sabres.

This having been said, there's probably room for a sports feature show that features local high school and college sports on one of the AM teapots. But even this is a stretch. There are two other AM signals that have some punch, those being WHLD and WXRL, but neither of these stations blankets the market at night. WLVL, Lockport is, for all intents and purposes, a daytimer, much like WJJL, Niagara Falls-West Seneca.

These days, most guys between 15 and 30 can do a good job talking about sports in a pool hall or bar. They know the players, the coaches, the game, the stats and have a duffel bag full of personal opinions. It's an entirely different thing making that barroom banter work on the radio.

One more critical point about news or sports talk radio. It requires an immensely talented and thick-skinned corp of street-fightin' sales people who know how to get through client objections and the advertising agencies which are predisposed against buying talk radio because of strongly opinionated talk show hosts.

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Recently, I noticed WSPQ Springville chucked its sports format and replaced it with classic hits. The new format isn't bad, but WSPQ would be better served by targeting its format to music primarily from the 60's with a smattering of hits from of the 50's and 70's, rather than trying to mimic WHTT's 70's, 80's and even 90's mix. WSPQ should forget about playing music like Rod Stewart and Huey Lewis and instead feature classic hits from Elvis, the Everly Brothers, Four Seasons, Supremes, Temptations, Roy Orbison and the panoply of artists that comprised the British Invasion, such as the Stones, Beatles, DC-5, Kinks and the Who. It would also help if the station's website was properly updated to reflect the change in format.
 
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Radknoski wrote:
"Recently, I noticed WSPQ Springville chucked its sports format and replaced it with classic hits." [/quote]

WSPQ "Classic hit radio": (for those outside the listening range)
http://wspq.ath.cx:8000/
 
OMG! Not a bad station at all!
I havn't heard Beach baby (by first class) on the radio in years!
Thanks WSPQ!
OMG! It was the longer extended version too! Not the classic 45 that I'm used to hearing!

Thanks 1330 WSPQ! This station ROCKS!
 
Returning to the original topic...

The economics say "no" to any new sports station in Buffalo, or anywhere else that already has one.

It's a rare market that can even adequately support one fulltime, 24/7 sports radio station, let alone two. That one station needs to have at least one, preferably two major league teams' play by play on its schedule. When WGR and WNSA faced off, neither one could muster a consistent 2 share. It's no accident that now that WGR has the format monopoly, it's comfortably in the 4-share range. That's probably pretty close to the maximum total share for the format in Buffalo, and it's enough to support one station profitably, no more.

Rochester doesn't even have a fulltime sports station (WHTK is the closest but it has non-sports syndicated programming in both drivetimes). It could probably use one, but where would you find a signal with substantial full-market coverage that isn't already doing better with another format?

Syracuse has two sports stations, neither one of them a major factor or major money-maker.

Toronto couldn't support a second sports station, and CHUM Ltd. lost a bucket of money finding that out.

And even NEW YORK CITY doesn't really support two sports stations well...one of them (WFAN) is strong but has a non-sports morning show, the other one (WEPN) is gaining slowly but is still a rather marginal player in the market, there more to give ESPN a presence in Market #1 than to actually be a major audience magnet.

Sports is one of those formats that can support one station within a market rather well--but two in a market means one of them is going to struggle, and probably fail.
 
Bob1370 said:
Rochester doesn't even have a fulltime sports station (WHTK is the closest but it has non-sports syndicated programming in both drivetimes).

Actually, WHTK runs ESPN's Mike and Mike during morning drive and has for quite some time now. Don and Mike is their non-sports PM drive.
 
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