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New station coming to Cincinnati

Re: First Came The Norwood Lateral...Now Introducing The Norwood FM “Pea-Shooter”...At What Price?

> > Since no one in Connersville raised a fuss, it would seem
> > that all the discussion about "keeping radio local" is
> moot.
> > Obviously, the "community" could care less.
> >
> The discussion is moot because informing the people in any
> valuable sense is dead, and the voice of the community has
> been silenced by the reality of powerlessness. I am in no
> way hating the players, or the game. Those who hate either
> one aren't players in it, or are not winning when they do.
> I believe what was being stated, has little to do with
> whether or not a fuss was raised, a point is moot, or if the
> community cares, but rather the glaring inconsistency
> between the stated mission (per the FCC)and purpose of radio
> and the execution of that mission.
>
> Here are the bare facts:
>
> 1. The "system", be it corporate or governmental gives less
> than a damn about the people as a whole. It only cares about
> REVENUE cloaked in the garments of community concern and
> service. If you pay 18M for WIFE, or 45M for WYGY, you don't
> do it to serve the community. You do it to sell advertising,
> and MAKE MONEY. It's a concept that escapes (or is
> diminished by) most of us creative types on the content side
> of radio, and every owner who has held ardently to the
> concept of true community service in spite of what it takes
> to get the revenue has gone broke in the last few years (or
> will in the next few).
>
> 2. A station does not care about its ratings (popularity
> within the community)at the end of the day. It cares about
> its performance on the balance sheet. If it were not so, why
> do overperfoming stations (revenue vs ratings) stay the
> course, and underperformers flip format? Smooth Jazz is
> dying all over the country not because the format has poor
> ratings, but because they cant seem to sell it. (Those of
> you who know me are aware that I am a SJ advocate.)
>
> 3. The Radio One purchase and relocation is VERY GOOD for
> Cincinnati. FM Urban AC??? It's been needed for a long long
> time in this market, and will not only boost profitability
> for the company, but 'serve' an underserved part of the
> community in terms of format. It is this argument that makes
> point 4.
>
> 4. "The people" only have a true say when politician's jobs
> are at stake. It really didn't matter if the people of
> Connersville made a fuss or not. The regulators only answer
> to the people in an election year, or when their power
> structure is in jeapordy as a result of massive revolt
> potential. In every other case...follow the money trail.(See
> Dubai Port Deal)
> Caveat: Money also heavily influences what choices the
> people have regarding their politicians.
>
> So maybe it is not the point of local radio, live radio, or
> the stated purpose of radio that is moot, but rather the
> people who are.
>
> With that I say....Welcome to the world of Capitalism.
>

Regulators are not elected and the FCC is a bi-partisan committee with either 3 Republicans and 2 Democrats or 2 Democrats and 3 Republicans.

I hope you are not saying capitalism is a bad thing as its the reason why we are prosperous and even typing this right now on our high speed internet.
 
Re: First Came The Norwood Lateral...Now Introducing The Norwood FM “Pea-Shooter”...At What Price?

>
> I hope you are not saying capitalism is a bad thing as its
> the reason why we are prosperous and even typing this right
> now on our high speed internet.
>
It certainly hasn't always been used responsibly for the consumers. You may using high-speed internet, but most folks aren't--despite promises and assurances service providers made during Telco 1996.

If there's no competition, then it isn't truly capitalism, now is it?<P ID="signature">______________
Let us live so that 100 years from now, someone may be proud of us.</P>
 
Re: First Came The Norwood Lateral...Now Introducing The Norwood FM “Pea-Shooter”...At What Price?

Please correct me (which I'm sure you will) if I'm misinformed but I thought the last word on the internet was that over half in the US were connected via high-speed. That's a fairly rapid increase in technology since those of us who throught 2400 baud was quick a little more than ten years ago.

Poor people aren't trying to get out of this country. The borders leak the other way with workers on the south and medical patients on the north. I'll take all the capitalism I can get.
 
"Super Oldies"

The suggestion (go up several notches in the thread where it says "New Station Coming To Cincinnati") is that they'd be targeting Cincy.


> I would agree if this was a Cincinnati or Dayton market
> station, but it's not. Go to Radio-Locator and type in
> Connersville, In. There's not a local oldies station that
> gets in there. That's not exact, but it gives a good
> indication. The large market stations don't get in there
> real well.
>
 
Re: "Super Oldies"

The FM at 100.3 that's moving to Norwood will be targeting Cincinnati. The AM left behind in Connersville at 1580 will not. It couldn't. The signal doesn't leave the county.
 
Re: First Came The Norwood Lateral...Now Introducing The Norwood FM “Pea-Shooter”...At What Price?

> > > Since no one in Connersville raised a fuss, it would
> seem
> > > that all the discussion about "keeping radio local" is
> > moot.
> > > Obviously, the "community" could care less.
> > >
> > The discussion is moot because informing the people in any
>
> > valuable sense is dead, and the voice of the community has
>
> > been silenced by the reality of powerlessness. I am in no
> > way hating the players, or the game. Those who hate either
>
> > one aren't players in it, or are not winning when they do.
>
> > I believe what was being stated, has little to do with
> > whether or not a fuss was raised, a point is moot, or if
> the
> > community cares, but rather the glaring inconsistency
> > between the stated mission (per the FCC)and purpose of
> radio
> > and the execution of that mission.
> >
> > Here are the bare facts:
> >
> > 1. The "system", be it corporate or governmental gives
> less
> > than a damn about the people as a whole. It only cares
> about
> > REVENUE cloaked in the garments of community concern and
> > service. If you pay 18M for WIFE, or 45M for WYGY, you
> don't
> > do it to serve the community. You do it to sell
> advertising,
> > and MAKE MONEY. It's a concept that escapes (or is
> > diminished by) most of us creative types on the content
> side
> > of radio, and every owner who has held ardently to the
> > concept of true community service in spite of what it
> takes
> > to get the revenue has gone broke in the last few years
> (or
> > will in the next few).
> >
> > 2. A station does not care about its ratings (popularity
> > within the community)at the end of the day. It cares about
>
> > its performance on the balance sheet. If it were not so,
> why
> > do overperfoming stations (revenue vs ratings) stay the
> > course, and underperformers flip format? Smooth Jazz is
> > dying all over the country not because the format has poor
>
> > ratings, but because they cant seem to sell it. (Those of
> > you who know me are aware that I am a SJ advocate.)
> >
> > 3. The Radio One purchase and relocation is VERY GOOD for
> > Cincinnati. FM Urban AC??? It's been needed for a long
> long
> > time in this market, and will not only boost profitability
>
> > for the company, but 'serve' an underserved part of the
> > community in terms of format. It is this argument that
> makes
> > point 4.
> >
> > 4. "The people" only have a true say when politician's
> jobs
> > are at stake. It really didn't matter if the people of
> > Connersville made a fuss or not. The regulators only
> answer
> > to the people in an election year, or when their power
> > structure is in jeapordy as a result of massive revolt
> > potential. In every other case...follow the money
> trail.(See
> > Dubai Port Deal)
> > Caveat: Money also heavily influences what choices the
> > people have regarding their politicians.
> >
> > So maybe it is not the point of local radio, live radio,
> or
> > the stated purpose of radio that is moot, but rather the
> > people who are.
> >
> > With that I say....Welcome to the world of Capitalism.
> >
>
> Regulators are not elected and the FCC is a bi-partisan
> committee with either 3 Republicans and 2 Democrats or 2
> Democrats and 3 Republicans.
>
> I hope you are not saying capitalism is a bad thing as its
> the reason why we are prosperous and even typing this right
> now on our high speed internet.
>

I am in no way suggesting that, as I stated in the opening paragraph.

"I am in no way hating the players, or the game. Those who hate either one aren't players in it, or are not winning when they do."

I am simply stating the facts. Interpretation is up to the reader. By the way, I did not suggest that regulators are elected.....but their boss, and the good folks who sign legislation that determines how they operate are. Would you be suggesting that the FCC is not political, and therefore is not impacted by those elected to public office on the national level? I would think not. Remember the word politics come from the greek "Poli" meaning many, and "Tics" meaning blood sucking creatures. Therefore, the notion that bi-partisan makes any real tangible difference is kinda like comparing murder to manslaughter...in either case the victim is just as dead.
 
Re: First Came The Norwood Lateral...Now Introducing The Norwood FM “Pea-Shooter”...At What Price?

> >
> > I hope you are not saying capitalism is a bad thing as its
>
> > the reason why we are prosperous and even typing this
> right
> > now on our high speed internet.
> >
> It certainly hasn't always been used responsibly for the
> consumers. You may using high-speed internet, but most
> folks aren't--despite promises and assurances service
> providers made during Telco 1996.
>
> If there's no competition, then it isn't truly capitalism,
> now is it?
>
I believe the phrase is MONOPOLY. :0)
 
Re: First Came The Norwood Lateral...Now Introducing The Norwood FM “Pea-Shooter”...At What Price?

> Please correct me (which I'm sure you will) if I'm
> misinformed but I thought the last word on the internet was
> that over half in the US were connected via high-speed.
> That's a fairly rapid increase in technology since those of
> us who throught 2400 baud was quick a little more than ten
> years ago.
>
> Poor people aren't trying to get out of this country. The
> borders leak the other way with workers on the south and
> medical patients on the north. I'll take all the capitalism
> I can get.
>


No correction here John. I think the whole notion of knocking capitalism came from not reading the caveat to my original post. Those who knock it typically are not full participants in it. By the same token, capitalism ain't perfect either....but what is?
 
move-ins

LOL Too many Oldies move-ins to keep track of.


> The FM at 100.3 that's moving to Norwood will be targeting
> Cincinnati. The AM left behind in Connersville at 1580 will
> not. It couldn't. The signal doesn't leave the county.
>
 
Re: First Came The Norwood Lateral...Now Introducing The Norwood FM “Pea-Shooter”...At What Price?

> >
> > I hope you are not saying capitalism is a bad thing as its
>
> > the reason why we are prosperous and even typing this
> right
> > now on our high speed internet.
> >
> It certainly hasn't always been used responsibly for the
> consumers. You may using high-speed internet, but most
> folks aren't--despite promises and assurances service
> providers made during Telco 1996.
>
> If there's no competition, then it isn't truly capitalism,
> now is it?
>

There is plenty of competition, especially in terms of high speed internet which is why prices have dropped well over 50% and speeds have increased 5x in the time period between 1996 and now. Time Warner, Cincinnati Bell, Verizon, Sprint, DirecTV(probably the worse choice), Adelphia, Insight, etc all have affordable high speed unlimited internet options. In 1996 the best connection being offered to consumers was a 28.8k dialup connection that ISP's charged on a per hour basis.

Capitalism and competition works...it doesn't make everyone happy (read UC out of NCAA) but it will make them better if they wish to survive...much like Darwin's theory. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by titoisradio on 03/14/06 02:45 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Believe what you want but...

> > I will never be convinced that Rodgers initiated this...

You vastly underestimated Dave Rodgers.

I know Dave -- quite well, actually -- and I can tell you that this has been on his desk for at least six years. As early as when I first met him in 2000, he was personally [really...he didn't hire a phalanx of flunkies and lawyers to do it all for him] researching any and all possibilities of making any of his stations more valuable. I have absolutely no doubt that this was originally his idea; Dave is perhaps the smartest and shrewdest bsuinessman I have ever met.

If you ever get the chance, ask him sometime to tell you the story of the piss-ant TV station that he used to own in Bristol, Connecticut, and how he sold to a couple of guys that had an idea for a cable sports start-up.
 
Re: "Super Oldies"

> The FM at 100.3 that's moving to Norwood will be targeting
> Cincinnati. The AM left behind in Connersville at 1580 will
> not. It couldn't. The signal doesn't leave the county.
>

...and at 5 watts at night, the signal doesn't even leave the property the tower is on. :p
 
Re: First Came The Norwood Lateral...Now Introducing The Norwood FM “Pea-Shooter”...At What Price?

IMHO...
Radio is doing what all technologies are doing, in the face of emerging and new media. It is changing. That is the natural progression of life. Yes, it's sad that Connersville is losing a station, but if it were really that much of a staple and that much of value to the community to begin with, they would have been in an uproar about it. And if it would have been that important to Rodgers Broadcasting, they would have sold the frequency only over their dead bodies. They obviously couldn't get enough profitability out of the stick to justify keeping it in lieu of a $17M(?) offer by Radio One. And if Rodgers wanted to keep it as Connersville, they would have balked at Radio One and sold it to a local owner or a corporate who would keep it in Connersville. Yes, owners do have that choice.

Besides, I've listened to 100.3 out of Connersville, mainly because it used to fight with the 100.3 for whom I used to work. Seems to me that the imaging, programming and general sound lacked a lot anyway. In today's digital age of voiceover talent working from their basements for next to nothing, and the internet carrying MP3s of great imaging back and forth, not to mention simple automation systems that do an incredible job merging in and out of satellite feeds, handling tracks of news and music, logging and billing, it's really not that tough to have a competitive station in a small town.

This is not about ownership and evil corporations. It's about technology doing what technology does. It's about profitability. And it's about a corporation with educated professionals (no, I'm not employed at Radio One) thinking through their decisions and going after a signal that they obviously thought was a viable purchase option. I personally think Rodgers Broadcasting is laughing all the way to the bank. But both parties have benefited from it and what's the loss in that? (Connersville losing their station? Oh, please. If they cared, they would have lynched someone over it.)
 
Re: First Came The Norwood Lateral...Now Introducing The Norwood FM “Pea-Shooter”...At What Price?

My point exactly...and there are still 5 stations less than 20 miles away from Connersville.<P ID="signature">______________
"Your right to know supersedes your right to exist"..Gary Burbank</P>
 
Re: First Came The Norwood Lateral...Now Introducing The Norwood FM “Pea-Shooter”...At What Price?

> IMHO...
> Radio is doing what all technologies are doing, in the face
> of emerging and new media. It is changing. That is the
> natural progression of life. Yes, it's sad that
> Connersville is losing a station, but if it were really that
> much of a staple and that much of value to the community to
> begin with, they would have been in an uproar about it. And
> if it would have been that important to Rodgers
> Broadcasting, they would have sold the frequency only over
> their dead bodies. They obviously couldn't get enough
> profitability out of the stick to justify keeping it in lieu
> of a $17M(?) offer by Radio One. And if Rodgers wanted to
> keep it as Connersville, they would have balked at Radio One
> and sold it to a local owner or a corporate who would keep
> it in Connersville. Yes, owners do have that choice.
>
> Besides, I've listened to 100.3 out of Connersville, mainly
> because it used to fight with the 100.3 for whom I used to
> work. Seems to me that the imaging, programming and general
> sound lacked a lot anyway. In today's digital age of
> voiceover talent working from their basements for next to
> nothing, and the internet carrying MP3s of great imaging
> back and forth, not to mention simple automation systems
> that do an incredible job merging in and out of satellite
> feeds, handling tracks of news and music, logging and
> billing, it's really not that tough to have a competitive
> station in a small town.
>
> This is not about ownership and evil corporations. It's
> about technology doing what technology does. It's about
> profitability. And it's about a corporation with educated
> professionals (no, I'm not employed at Radio One) thinking
> through their decisions and going after a signal that they
> obviously thought was a viable purchase option. I
> personally think Rodgers Broadcasting is laughing all the
> way to the bank. But both parties have benefited from it
> and what's the loss in that? (Connersville losing their
> station? Oh, please. If they cared, they would have lynched
> someone over it.)
>


YOU MY FRIEND ARE A GENIUS!!! Whether anyone likes it or not it's about REVENUE! Choices (including who to sell to), formats, live, or syndicated, the decisions are dictated by revenue and profitability....or the lack thereof.
 
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