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New Station for Hiawassee?

It looks like this one is from the batch of apps filed during the major change window last year...

I wonder if this means we'll see a flurry of new grants...
 
> It looks like this one is from the batch of apps filed
> during the major change window last year...
>
> I wonder if this means we'll see a flurry of new grants...
>

It'll be interesting to see if this station even gets on the air.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by radionut987 on 09/05/05 08:54 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> > It looks like this one is from the batch of apps filed
> > during the major change window last year...
> >
> > I wonder if this means we'll see a flurry of new grants...
>
> >
>
> It'll be interesting to see if this station even gets on the
> air.

I would expect that it'll get on the air. This one is owned by the guys at Bromo (consulting engineering firm in Atlanta)...Bill Brown and Gil Moor. <P ID="signature">______________
Jay Braswell - Moderator
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Range?

so in that kind of terrain, how far could it be heard?


> According to the FCC database, it appears that a new station
> is coming to the North GA Mountains in Hiawassee. It's on
> 1230 AM, so this means it can operate 1 kw ND day & night,
> right? The applicant is B & GRS Partnership. I read it in
> Friday's "FCC Daily Digest", which can be found here:
>
http:/> /hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-260824A2.txt
>
 
Re: Range?

Well you know us radio folks will tolerate a lot of static to listen to a particular station! For your general listener, I would GUESS that--based upon my assumption it will be 1kw ND day/night--there will be daytime listeners out to 20 miles, and that will be roughly cut in half at night. I think it will cover Towns and Clay(NC) countywide at night.
 
Re: Range?

I think your estimate is right on the money.

I just don't understand how on earth it'll ever pay it's bills...
 
Re: Range?

> I think your estimate is right on the money.
>
> I just don't understand how on earth it'll ever pay it's
> bills...

It may likely be a tough sell, especially for an AMer. But my inlaws live across the state line in Clay County, and with what I know about the area, it's got to be one of the worst areas for decent radio(and TV) reception. So, that is something in its favor. Towns County has a radio station, but it's a daytimer, and Clay County has no radio stations...Clay relates a lot to Towns and vice versa, so both will be getting its "own" radio station, capable of operating 24 hours. I know it's not the desired demos as far as big market radio is concerned, but there are many retirees with lots of money in both Towns and Clay counties around Lake Chatuge. Country(except maybe classic country) should not even be considered; I think oldies, standards, Gold-Based AC, or a Christian format may work here. Given this location in the Bible belt as well as in the mountains, I've always been surprised that no one has given some sort of Christian, or Southern Gospel format a real shot. The other Towns County station was previously Southern Gospel, so maybe it's not financially feasible in this area.
 
Re: Range?

Doesn't WCVP-AM in Murphy cover Clay County pretty well?

It could probably work at a couple bucks a spot, but it'll take a long time to pay for the build-out. It looks like there's about 10,000 folks in Towns County, and I have to admire people who'll make an investment in local radio in a town that size, even if it doesn't make a lot of fiscal sense.
 
Re: Range?

> Doesn't WCVP-AM in Murphy cover Clay County pretty well?

Yes, it does--except at night. Same goes for Murphy's other AM, WKRK. Little night signal from either of these beyond 5 miles outside of Murphy. WKRK does now stream, and has a fairly neat website. There is a Murphy FM, and it doesn't do bad, except the bays are on the WCVP-AM tower, which is somewhat tall--but still doesn't clear much of the nearby terrain--lots of multipath. The FM would be better on one of the many mountain/hilltops to choose from. So, yes Clay is served well by Murphy's AMs by day, and the lone FM at night. Hiawassee and Hayesville, though, are several miles closer versus the distance from Hayesville to Murphy. I was looking at the benefits of this station to Clay from this angle.
 
Re: Range?

> > Doesn't WCVP-AM in Murphy cover Clay County pretty well?
>
> Yes, it does--except at night. Same goes for Murphy's other
> AM, WKRK. Little night signal from either of these beyond 5
> miles outside of Murphy. WKRK does now stream, and has a
> fairly neat website. There is a Murphy FM, and it doesn't do
> bad, except the bays are on the WCVP-AM tower, which is
> somewhat tall--but still doesn't clear much of the nearby
> terrain--lots of multipath. The FM would be better on one of
> the many mountain/hilltops to choose from. So, yes Clay is
> served well by Murphy's AMs by day, and the lone FM at
> night. Hiawassee and Hayesville, though, are several miles
> closer versus the distance from Hayesville to Murphy. I was
> looking at the benefits of this station to Clay from this
> angle.
>

Folks, this is a Class C or what we used to call a Class IV AM.

It's true, that area probably has fewer viable radio signals than just about any area on the eastern seaboard. However, it also has the worst ground conductivity in the South. Instead of 20 miles daytime, we're talking 12 to 15 miles max in cars, maybe 10 miles in houses and at night, 5 to 7 miles in a car and maybe 5 miles in a house.

It is a growing area and someone knowing what they are doing could probably do about $10K a month, maybe $15K if they are a really good salesman and can bring in out of town dollars... but you would have to run it on the cheap to make any spendable profit.

The station at Young Harris has struggled, I think, almost from day 1 despite having fairly successful audience shares. Clay County has very little retail and yes, the Murphy stations have done well there with listenership, especially WKRK which still dominates the listening in Cherokee County, NC. In fact, at times, it has more audience that the other 3 local stations, WCVP AM/FM and WCNG, combined. It is a mystery why WCNG doesn't locate on a mountain top.

One of the issues one may face in the Hiwassee area and why the Young Harris never has done well, besides its signal problems, is the potential advertisers in Hiawasee have built their businesses without radio advertising. As a successful radio sales trainer once stated, "the truth is radio advertising is an intrusion on a business's profit." The point is...they built their business without radio advertising so why spend the money now. A new FM station can overcome that to a great extent but an AM startup...it can too..but it takes a good operator and lots of time...time and effort which may be spent better elsewhere. Another radio friend of mine says "never let your station fade." What that means is if a long time spender is not called on and stops spending advertising dollars with a station, it may find out it can make it without it. Of course, the radio station helped that business become successful over the years and develop a well known business.

I suspect that the owners of the new AM in Hiwassee understand it's a growing area and an area where many newcomers are moving. This might make a nice retirement business for one of those people.
 
Read this old thread with great appreciation for what Bill and Gil went through to get it on the air. They are great engineers and even better people. WNGM-AM (now WJUL-AM with a fil-in FM translator) has been a nice thing for us and for the area in 2012.

Our weekends are mostly local and its something I'm proud of. We've also made a big commitment to the local high schools. Only station to travel 300 miles to Kentucky for Hayesville High school's first football game. We've been accepted well, given that it will take years to be truly accepted.

Now that we've got 95.1 and will be a bigger part of the Murphy/Cherokee area, I must admit I'm just now finding out how important WKRK 1320 is to the Murphy community. They do seem to be well ahead of the other Murphy signals, despite the signal disparity. The Radfords are enormously respected by our mutual customers and listeners. The local newspaper is gaga over them which seems to be uncommon in the mountains. To prosper at that high frequency on a music format is impressive.
 
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