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DennisDubay

DennisDubay

Not sure if this is allowed or not, so if I'm breaking a rule please delete. Don't mean to "shake the boat".

I'm starting an internet only radio station, focusing on unsigned, independent music - however not opposed to putting on "mainstream" rock/alt/punk, etc. So if you have a show/podcast featured on the site, head on over to http://www.jadednoizeradio.com ... again, if this is not allowed, I do apologize.

Dennis
 
Why wouldnt it be allowed bud?

Yer not trying to profit from it :)

Thanx for the submission and GOOD LUCK with it!
 
The Dude said:
Why wouldnt it be allowed bud?

Yer not trying to profit from it :)

Thanx for the submission and GOOD LUCK with it!
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The Dude (Lebowski reference, I assume), wouldn't be almost impossible to make money on an internet radio station unless you are in with the big guns?
 
How can anyone, even the "Big Guns", make a profit? Look at .977 The Hitz Channel (see shoutcast dot com). Over 10 thousand listeners right now and one spot every half hour. SoundExchange fees would be 10K listeners times 10 songs per half hour times $0.0018 per performance = $180.00 per half hour. Add in the streaming costs and you'd have to get $300 to #400 per spot just to break even.
 
I doubt they're paying those rates but suspect they're running as part of the recent agreements that relate to % of revenue provided they're less than 1.25 million TLH etc (can't recall the exact numbers now can I!!)
 
Don't look now, but I bet 95% of those stations on Shoutcast are running illegally. I would be surprised if many of those 5% are making money. I really think LPFM and internet radio should be left unregulated for hobbyists. If they make money, shoot, they can afford to stream and buy music. Nobody loses. Otherwise, folks like me just ride under the radar thinking that their average of 10 or less listeners a day won't draw enough attention from greedy agencies/artists.
 
If using services like Live365 and LoudCity, they cover the royalties for you. I haven't seen any stations from there make any revenue, but some do get the word out and have seen a few web streams broadcast from local nightclubs and other places in their area but hey, power to them.
 
d21ofnj said:
If using services like Live365 and LoudCity, they cover the royalties for you. I haven't seen any stations from there make any revenue, but some do get the word out and have seen a few web streams broadcast from local nightclubs and other places in their area but hey, power to them.
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I'm licensed with LoudCity, and yes, there has been no revenue in the nearly 3 years I've been up with my station. I do it for the love of keeping my hand in the radio game after my terrestrial radio days. As long as I can do this without a huge financial burden, I'll keep at it.
 
One good thing about Live365 is more VIP listeners, less your monthly payments. I'm not sure if LoudCity does this, but they have a great deal with their packages.
 
This is just my personal opinion, but LIVE365's VIP business model, and the fact that if you want to continue to listen to any LIVE365 station, you eventually have to become a member (even though it has free memberships) is restrictive to the growth of its stations. Listeners just want to listen to the music. For the most part, they don't want to have yet another account and password to keep track of, and they also don't want to part with their hard earned money of which they most likely have in short supply. I've been with LIVE365 since 2001 and although they have the best operation and support and responsiveness, they also seem to have the most expensive packages, most restrictive (even beyond DMCA rules). Oh, and this actually isn't just my personal opinion, many broadcasters that have been with LIVE365 feel this way once they have compared it to other services like SWCast and LoudCity.

Don't misunderstand, I love LIVE365's well run organization and that they are very responsive to the broadcasters. Its just that they are too restrictive, too expensive, and they won't cover your license unless you use their proprietary streaming servers. Great for a one stop shopping and if you are a newbie, but not flexible with options like SWCast and LoudCity. I'm hoping they will think outside the box and become more open to licensing 3rd party shoutcast servers and be more competitive in pricing, but that hasn't happened yet.
 
Can't argue with what you said on Live365's restrictions, and from being with Live365 since 2006, there were the ups and downs of it, but at the same time, the service is great when it comes for support and q's. But by calculating with pricing, slots, and listeners with the 3 years on Live365, it did make my budget go on the red. I wish I'd do the smart thing earlier and invested in SPL, and had an account with LoudCity, but that's part of life.
 
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