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Radioman40

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Seems like everyone I talk to lately, for the most part, are against new technology and feel it won't last very long. For instance, Satellite Radio, HD Radio, IPods etc...
That's all well and good, but do these people feel technology should stay exactly like it is now? Whether these folks like it or not the face of technology is changing and of course not all new things that come along will last, but certainly it will change like it or not!


That's my two cents!
What do you think?
 
> What do you think?

All change is inherently evil.

FM should never have happened; too much risk of diminishing the value of AM stations.

TV should never have happened; sure to drive movie theaters out of business with great loss of usher jobs.

Radar never should have been allowed to happen. Sure, it may have saved Britain in WW-II but look at all the people who have had to pay big speeding fines because of it.

Viagara should have been banned. Too many people already and those already here are already having too much fun.

And The Internet? Algore shoulda busted his head before he discovered it. Way too much time wasted and too much money being spent on carpal tunnel treatments.
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> Seems like everyone I talk to lately, for the most part, are
> against new technology and feel it won't last very long. For
> instance, Satellite Radio, HD Radio, IPods etc...
> That's all well and good, but do these people feel
> technology should stay exactly like it is now? Whether these
> folks like it or not the face of technology is changing and
> of course not all new things that come along will last, but
> certainly it will change like it or not!
>
>
> That's my two cents!
> What do you think?

I would have replied sooner had it not been for my dial up service. At least i had my 8 Track to keep me company...

The fools who call the shots now won't run ad's for satellite because it's competition but can't run enough ad's for TV, which draws far more listeners away. I welcome HD radio but expect it to suck because it's programmed by the same idiots who have determined we need to hear "Don't You Forget About Me" on every station because research dictates it. Meanwhile, while complaining about how the younger demo won't tune in because of digital music, the promo departemnt continues to give away iPods!
 
> Seems like everyone I talk to lately, for the most part, are
> against new technology and feel it won't last very long. For
> instance, Satellite Radio, HD Radio, IPods etc...
> That's all well and good, but do these people feel
> technology should stay exactly like it is now? Whether these
> folks like it or not the face of technology is changing and
> of course not all new things that come along will last, but
> certainly it will change like it or not!
>
>
> That's my two cents!
> What do you think?

I think they should've fully developed and marketed analog AM Stereo, and stopped there.

But more seriously, I have no problem with newer technology making inroads, but don't see why it has to make older technology obsolete. I would like an HD Radio receiver that also has analog C-Quam AM Stereo, since both of those modes are still currently on the air, but I know one will never be manufactured.
 
Faster, cheaper, smaller...

> Seems like everyone I talk to lately, for the most part, are
> against new technology and feel it won't last very long. For
> instance, Satellite Radio, HD Radio, IPods etc...

Who are you talking to? Everyone over 60? I can't decide if you're mocking NYRMB or being Sirius. Apple is selling a MILLION iPods a week, and those are MILLIONS of listeners who have given up on radio. Satellite radio users haven't given up on the idea, but they're effectively gone from the pool of potential listeners.

HD Radio may or may not work. From the people I talk with, it's not the signal quality, FM is fine. It's the distance which the signal fails (mostly when discussing FNX, Rock101, and occasionally AAF and Emerson).

If the radios are hundreds of dollars more than a ghetto Sony radio, they're not going to sell. The market for high quality audio has already found iPods (FLACs, whatever), Satellite, massive CD collections, etc. HD Radio may be too late already.

> That's all well and good, but do these people feel
> technology should stay exactly like it is now?

Faster, cheaper, smaller...

What isn't going to change is people are now used to free / mobile music on their computers, and since they have to have a computer for work/school/etc radio has an even smaller place in their lives.

> Whether these
> folks like it or not the face of technology is changing and
> of course not all new things that come along will last, but
> certainly it will change like it or not!

CC may have wisely lowered spot loads, but they're still too high across the board. I tried to listen to Michael Graham and I was turned OFF by the horrible style of taking a caller's first few sentances, replying and then instead of going back to the caller goes to another one. Then spots, repeat.

CASTLE GRAPHICS, ENOUGH, HOLY SH_T STOP FOR A WHILE!

> That's my two cents!
> What do you think?

ARE YOUR BOWEL MOVEMENTS IRREGULAR?

I think I'm gonna add spot lines in each of my posts for a while.
 
> Seems like everyone I talk to lately, for the most part, are
> against new technology and feel it won't last very long. For
> instance, Satellite Radio, HD Radio, IPods etc...
> That's all well and good, but do these people feel
> technology should stay exactly like it is now? Whether these
> folks like it or not the face of technology is changing and
> of course not all new things that come along will last, but
> certainly it will change like it or not!
>
>
> That's my two cents!
> What do you think?
>


I just bought an iPod a few weeks ago, i fell in love with the thing right away. I just installed a new stereo in my car and sprang for the ipod adapator so i can plug my iPod right into the deck. Again, I fell in love with that right away as well. Right now I am in the process of transfering most of my cd collection onto the iPod so I don't have to carry around cd's in my car.

That being said, no way I could ever give up on radio. There's just something about the interaction. Hopefully most people understand that.
 
> > What do you think?
>
> All change is inherently evil.
>
> FM should never have happened; too much risk of diminishing
> the value of AM stations.
>
> TV should never have happened; sure to drive movie theaters
> out of business with great loss of usher jobs.
>
> Radar never should have been allowed to happen. Sure, it
> may have saved Britain in WW-II but look at all the people
> who have had to pay big speeding fines because of it.
>
> Viagara should have been banned. Too many people already
> and those already here are already having too much fun.
>
> And The Internet? Algore shoulda busted his head before he
> discovered it. Way too much time wasted and too much money
> being spent on carpal tunnel treatments.
>

This (Les's) is the most important post about HD I've read on here yet!!

New technology will come along, but it's only gonna make the game more interesting... nothing's going to disappear and everyone's not going to stop listening to the radio. Think about how much TV people watch... when tv came along (especially cable tv) did radio disappear? Nope.

Worry not, just enjoy and start begging for a job doing some work for one of the HD channels :)
 
Re: Faster, cheaper, smaller...

> > Seems like everyone I talk to lately, for the most part,
> are
> > against new technology and feel it won't last very long.
> For
> > instance, Satellite Radio, HD Radio, IPods etc...
>
> Who are you talking to? Everyone over 60? I can't decide
> if you're mocking NYRMB or being Sirius. Apple is selling a
> MILLION iPods a week, and those are MILLIONS of listeners
> who have given up on radio. Satellite radio users haven't
> given up on the idea, but they're effectively gone from the
> pool of potential listeners.


If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times...don't exaggerate! A million Ipods a week? Yeah, right. At that rate everyone in the U.S. would have at least one by now (not even counting competing mp3 players)...I know lots of people (myself included) who don't have one, and are unlikely to buy one anytime soon. Indeed, I read an article recently that Ipod burnout has begun...people who have them are using them less and returning to...gasp!..radio. Ipod=Walkman of the '00s. That's all it is...another gadget.

Satellite radio is not likely to go away, but what's gonna happen to subscriber growth once they stop subsidizing receivers? As it is, not everyone thinks it's worth $13/mo (likely to increase if either service wants to be profitable). It's another choice, but not for everyone.

>
> HD Radio may or may not work. From the people I talk with,
> it's not the signal quality, FM is fine. It's the distance
> which the signal fails (mostly when discussing FNX, Rock101,
> and occasionally AAF and Emerson).
>
> If the radios are hundreds of dollars more than a ghetto
> Sony radio, they're not going to sell. The market for high
> quality audio has already found iPods (FLACs, whatever),
> Satellite, massive CD collections, etc. HD Radio may be too
> late already.

So-called HD radio is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. FM sounds just fine to most people (indeed...to people used to 128k mp3s it's downright high fidelity) already. Digital AM is a turkey. No one is gonna replace every radio they own just to hear stations they can already hear.

>>
> What isn't going to change is people are now used to free /
> mobile music on their computers, and since they have to have
> a computer for work/school/etc radio has an even smaller
> place in their lives.
>

Maybe it's generational, but I don't see a computer as a mobile music machine. Tinny little 3" speakers don't cut it for me, and unless you have a professional audio card, it sounds pretty bad running thru a good stereo amp & speakers...way too much hiss for my ears. "Free" music is getting harder and harder to find. The golden days of file sharing are over. Listening to a web stream is a novelty, but not something I'd do on a regular basis...they don't generally sound very good and is more bother than it's worth. Again, it's another choice...the pie is being cut into more pieces.
It's like the auto industry...GM will never have a 60% market share again, but neither will anyone else.
 
>
> I think they should've fully developed and marketed analog
> AM Stereo, and stopped there.
>
> But more seriously, I have no problem with newer technology
> making inroads, but don't see why it has to make older
> technology obsolete. I would like an HD Radio receiver that
> also has analog C-Quam AM Stereo, since both of those modes
> are still currently on the air, but I know one will never be
> manufactured.
>

Aren't there technical reasons to make AM-HD & AM stereo mutually exclusive?

Alas, analog AM stereo doesn't solve the biggest problem AM has...ever-increasing amounts of electrical noise. Most people aren't gonna put up with that.
 
> Worry not, just enjoy and start begging for a job doing some
> work for one of the HD channels :)

As I used to tell the saffron-robed baldies in the mall parking lot:

"Don't beg; you're old enough to STEAL."
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Re: Faster, cheaper, smaller...

> > Apple is selling a
> > MILLION iPods a week, and those are MILLIONS of listeners
> > who have given up on radio. Satellite radio users haven't
> > given up on the idea, but they're effectively gone from the
> > pool of potential listeners.
>
> If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand
> times...don't exaggerate! A million Ipods a week? Yeah,
> right.

Apple had their best quarter in their history.

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2148886/apple-sells-million-ipod

Apple shifts a million iPods a week

Jobs reports best quarter in Apple's history

Iain Thomson, vnunet.com 19 Jan 2006

Apple's figures for its most recent quarter have shown that the company sells over a million iPods a week.

Apple shipped 1,254,000 Macintosh computers and 14,043,000 iPods during the last quarter of 2005, representing 20 per cent growth in Macs and 207 per cent growth in iPods over the year-ago quarter.

"We are thrilled to report the best quarter in Apple's history,” said chief executive Steve Jobs.

"Two highlights of an incredible quarter were selling 14 million iPods and getting ready to launch our new Macs with Intel processors five to six months ahead of expectations.

"We are working on more wonderful products for 2006, and I can't wait to see what our customers think of them."

International sales accounted for 40 per cent of the quarter's revenues.

http://www.google.com/search?q=million+ipods+a+week&hl=en&hs=rs2&lr=&safe=off

> At that rate everyone in the U.S. would have at
> least one by now (not even counting competing mp3
> players)...I know lots of people (myself included) who don't
> have one, and are unlikely to buy one anytime soon. Indeed,
> I read an article recently that Ipod burnout has
> begun...people who have them are using them less and
> returning to...gasp!..radio. Ipod=Walkman of the '00s.
> That's all it is...another gadget.

I'd love to see this "iPod burnout" article you're discussing. It sounds like wishful thinking to me. If anything, Apple customers are "first adopter types" who likely bought an early model and one of the newer flash-memory based models.

> Satellite radio is not likely to go away, but what's gonna
> happen to subscriber growth once they stop subsidizing
> receivers? As it is, not everyone thinks it's worth $13/mo
> (likely to increase if either service wants to be
> profitable). It's another choice, but not for everyone.

If so, will AM/FM station drop some spots?

JOIN THE RADIO INFO WINE CLUB, WE'LL BE BACK TO THE ROCK NEXT!

> So-called HD radio is a solution to a problem that doesn't
> exist. FM sounds just fine to most people (indeed...to
> people used to 128k mp3s it's downright high fidelity)
> already. Digital AM is a turkey. No one is gonna replace
> every radio they own just to hear stations they can already
> hear.

JOIN THE RADIO INFO WINE CLUB, HERE'S SOME METALLICA

128k MP3s are slowly decreasing in use in favor of better, loseless formats. My entire collection is 384k MP3s, so I can fit many albums on an MP3 CDR in my car, and I can't tell the different between those and the original CDs themselves.

> Maybe it's generational, but I don't see a computer as a
> mobile music machine.

Think of dorm rooms, tight space, laptops with headphone in class, etc.

> Tinny little 3" speakers don't cut it
> for me,

College students aren't using the GARBAGE speakers that come with the computers, they get basic $50-$150 sets.

> "Free" music is
> getting harder and harder to find. The golden days of file
> sharing are over.

Not at all. With BitTorrent websites I can get FULL album sets of many popular bands just by leaving the computer on overnight. If the files are bad, the website will usually have other user's rating that that's the case. If the RIAA / MPAA trys to put garbage up few people with end up with it, unlike the case with old style Napster (and similar services) the user rating stops it from spreading.

> Listening to a web stream is a novelty,
> but not something I'd do on a regular basis...they don't
> generally sound very good and is more bother than it's
> worth. Again, it's another choice...the pie is being cut
> into more pieces.

I agree, I don't bother with streams, but podcasts are good!

> It's like the auto industry...GM will never have a 60%
> market share again, but neither will anyone else.

Yeah, but AM/FM is heading toward Daewoo relevance.

MORON LANDSCAPING CAN KEEP THE GROUNDS OF YOUR HOME OR BUSINESS IN TOP SHAPE. CALL 555-GRASS.
 
> >
> > I think they should've fully developed and marketed analog
> > AM Stereo, and stopped there.
> >
> > But more seriously, I have no problem with newer technology
> > making inroads, but don't see why it has to make older
> > technology obsolete. I would like an HD Radio receiver that
> > also has analog C-Quam AM Stereo, since both of those modes
> > are still currently on the air, but I know one will never be
> > manufactured.
> >
>
> Aren't there technical reasons to make AM-HD & AM stereo
> mutually exclusive?

Yes, AM doesn't have enough available bandwidth for a station to transmit in both modes simultaneously. Any AM stations that were broadcasting in analog AM Stereo had to shut it off when they went to HD.

However, there are some holdouts, such as locally WJIB 740 and WLYN 1360, who have so far decided to buck the trend and stay with analog AM Stereo, and a receiver could be manufactured to receive both modes. It could probably even be made to automatically switch to either AM HD Digital or analog AM Stereo depending on which mode it detects in the signal it's tuned to. That would be cool!

> Alas, analog AM stereo doesn't solve the biggest problem AM
> has...ever-increasing amounts of electrical noise. Most
> people aren't gonna put up with that.

True, you have to be in an environment where you're getting clean reception. WJIB comes in quite well days, and still fair at night, in wideband AM Stereo here in Somerville.
 
> New technology will come along, but it's only gonna make the
> game more interesting... nothing's going to disappear and
> everyone's not going to stop listening to the radio. Think
> about how much TV people watch... when tv came along
> (especially cable tv) did radio disappear? Nope.

However, some technology did disappear when Cable and Satellite TV became popular. Whatever happened to over-the-air subscription TV, with scrambled signals that required a decoder? Remember "StarCase" on Channel 68 in the late 70's? There was also one on Channel 27 for a while as I recall.
 
another_radio_dude said:
> Seems like everyone I talk to lately, for the most part, are
> against new technology and feel it won't last very long. For
> instance, Satellite Radio, HD Radio, IPods etc...
> That's all well and good, but do these people feel
> technology should stay exactly like it is now? Whether these
> folks like it or not the face of technology is changing and
> of course not all new things that come along will last, but
> certainly it will change like it or not!
>
>
> That's my two cents!
> What do you think?
>


I just bought an iPod a few weeks ago, i fell in love with the thing right away. I just installed a new stereo in my car and sprang for the ipod adapator so i can plug my iPod right into the deck. Again, I fell in love with that right away as well. Right now I am in the process of transfering most of my cd collection onto the iPod so I don't have to carry around cd's in my car.

That being said, no way I could ever give up on radio. There's just something about the interaction. Hopefully most people understand that.
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Radioman40 said:
Seems like everyone I talk to lately, for the most part, are against new technology and feel it won't last very long. For instance, Satellite Radio, HD Radio, IPods etc...
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It's not that people are against new tech. We just don't like it when some of the new tech proponents, like iNiquity, pee on our legs and try to convince us it's raining.

The biggest problem with new tech is that it becomes old much too quickly. Things move too fast these days.
 
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