Bill and I were taking break along SR 50, around Aurora trying to find this dealership we needed to go to. A giant flatbed truck came driving up with what looked like a bunch of tower sections. Bill got out and looked, and sure enough it was radio tower parts all right. The driver got out and asked us where Dillsborough Road was. Neither of us knew because we are not from around here. Then another truck came up, and one more..all with tower pieces on it. The second driver had a GPS unit on-board and they went about 10 miles away from here we were to this giant clearing. We were listening to WDJO. Is this the site where WDJO will be going 50 thousant watts from? It was partially cleared out. One of the truck guys said the order came from an entertainment company called DARIUS LLP. He didn't know what that was..but this might be the new towers for WDJO or someone else all right. Holy crap there was probably enough for 4 or 5 towers.or so.
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New Towers Going Up?
- Thread starter HHalland
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Right location, Wrong station. It's WXGO moving from Madison, IN to Aurora,IN....
WXGO will still be on 1270 daytime only at 333 watts, 6 tower array. Directional.
Their transmitter site according to their construction permit is right off Lower Dillsboro Rd.
WXGO is oldies, but it's Satellite. I think Westwood One. Right now WXGO is in Madison...
with 1000 watts day 57 watts night. So why the move to Aurora? Another hop to somewhere
else? No we have an AM from Mountain Grove, Mo moving to Ripley, Oh so WAOL can go to
Amelia. BAM!!! Maybe WSCH fm in Aurora wants to move elsewhere? With little WXGO in
Aurora they can, time will tell about these moves. Stay tune!!! What about WHIO-FM and the
Cox move to Cinci, is this tied in? Or is it a Clear Channel, Cumulus conspiracy, once Thomas Bain owns
25% Cumumlus and their Clear Channel. Maybe we'll see some real swapping, or format adjustments.
Unless WDJO wants to cut a deal with First Broadcasting they're destiny lies at 1160.
WXGO will still be on 1270 daytime only at 333 watts, 6 tower array. Directional.
Their transmitter site according to their construction permit is right off Lower Dillsboro Rd.
WXGO is oldies, but it's Satellite. I think Westwood One. Right now WXGO is in Madison...
with 1000 watts day 57 watts night. So why the move to Aurora? Another hop to somewhere
else? No we have an AM from Mountain Grove, Mo moving to Ripley, Oh so WAOL can go to
Amelia. BAM!!! Maybe WSCH fm in Aurora wants to move elsewhere? With little WXGO in
Aurora they can, time will tell about these moves. Stay tune!!! What about WHIO-FM and the
Cox move to Cinci, is this tied in? Or is it a Clear Channel, Cumulus conspiracy, once Thomas Bain owns
25% Cumumlus and their Clear Channel. Maybe we'll see some real swapping, or format adjustments.
Unless WDJO wants to cut a deal with First Broadcasting they're destiny lies at 1160.
Elephant said:microbob...Did you read the post? He said they were in Aurora.
The Ripley station on 1180 is going to use the currnet WAOL tower as a folded unipole.
Elelphant
Ok I must have misread the post then. Sorry for the error :-[
WSCH doesn't have a CP that I'm aware of so, it can only be WXGO 1270 move-in to Aurora then. WDJO isn't going 50,000 Watts on 1160 so that isn't it
Elephant said:A lot of people are going to be shocked that this station is even getting built. I know I am. Why spend that much money on towers and land for this?
WOW! ...I CAN’T believe this one is even being built either! There must be some clandestine motive behind it that I’m completely-unequipped to “ferret”—or could it be that the “brokered programming” market in Cincy is “hot”—and needs another “bottom-feeder” as an outlet? I saw this array on paper; and it’s a “Mad DA-Scientist’s dream-come-true”!
microbob said:WDJO isn't going 50,000 Watts on 1160...
I can’t imagine WDJO getting 50kw [DAMN] with the restrictions in play on 1160—unless they have been photo-copying some of WXGO’s “mad-science”! IF-SO—it might make-it to Mansfield – but would remain barely-receivable in Rushville, Indiana!
An interesting note on this, did you know that there's an agreement to sell WSCH and WXCH? One of th enames in the buyer category is Lee Reynolds, the engineer who masterminded this WXGO and WGYV move to Aurora on that tower site. Could it be that there IS a plan to move WSCH out of Aurora and these little AMs give it service?
On another note, pretend that WXGO was dropped in your lap and you had to program it. What would you honestly do with it?
On another note, pretend that WXGO was dropped in your lap and you had to program it. What would you honestly do with it?
There's something exceptionally fishy going on where WXCH is concerned. It's well known that they must move to 102.9 to make way for WRKA's upgrade on 103.1. The question that no one will answer (and I'm the contract engineer for the place) is : Why do they have an application in for a whopping 500 watts at 14 meters, horizontal only in the new COL, Hope,IN? At one time they had a 6KW DA application that mysteriously was withdrawn. Time will tell...but there's certainly a story to be told here...if only someone will tell it. I believe that a full 6KW non directional would fit at the site that the 500 watts is being applied for. Is anyone in the know or have any juicy theories?Elephant said:An interesting note on this, did you know that there's an agreement to sell WSCH and WXCH? One of th enames in the buyer category is Lee Reynolds, the engineer who masterminded this WXGO and WGYV move to Aurora on that tower site. Could it be that there IS a plan to move WSCH out of Aurora and these little AMs give it service?
I'd LMA this AM and any near the edges of CINCY if I could get a good fair deal and My main source was as the operator of WDJO... Even a daytime only could help in highly % areas of 45 year olds, plus in the daytime... Just a out their thought...
Here's my cockamamie theory:
The further Northeast 1270 (WXGO) moves, the lower its power goes because of WXYT, 1270 in Detroit. Maps in their app show a horrid 330 watt signal beamed due east, designed to give minimum legal coverage to make Aurora the City of License. Would have a bit more power, and be hitting a lot more bodies if it went to Hebron or Burlington and beamed east.
So why Aurora? So that the existing Aurora station (Marty Pieratt's WSCH 99.3) can be moved. If WSCH can be made to go away, First Broadcasting's WAOL, Ripley, OH, already with a CP for Amelia, can perhaps move the signal further into Cincinnati while retaining Amelia as the COL.
Meanwhile, Pieratt's other area station, (WXCH 102.9), appears to be moving for no apparent reason to become a low-powered station for Hope IN, a suburb of Columbus Indiana (!), with a frequency change to 103.1. I'm guessing that is as far west as you could move that station without bumping into other 103.1's or adjacent channels and in that direction. And Cox, a major city broadcasting company, for some reason has an option to buy WXCH from the company that has an option to buy Pieratt's stations.
WXCH move seems legal because of low power (but not LPFM) religious station that started in Versailles a few years ago. (FCC online docs on this issue seem to be lacking, but it does show they rejected 3rd party objections to the move. one of which was from Cox IIRC.)
Meanwhile Cox is about to move 95.7 WHIO-FM from Piqua to Cincinnati (Sharonville) with engineering help from First Broadcasting, probably to sell it.
If they replaced WHIO-FM by buying 102.9 in Springfield, which has its transmitter there... they could move its transmitter into Dayton except for two little problems: Adjacent channel WEBN in Cinti and co-channel WXCH in Versailles. But if they bump up to 103.1, they solve the WEBN problem, and with WXCH moved west, and them rewarding the move by buying the station, they solve the co-channel problem through increased distance and reduced WXCH power.
This would allow 102.9 to become the new WHIO-FM.
This leaves it for WSCH to reemerge in some town that doesn't have a radio license. Maybe a small town near Piqua after WHIO-FM moves, or in NE KY in the area vacated by WAOL's signal.
So the scorecard is this:
I'm sure I must have made some technical or historical errors here, not to mention a bad guess or two. Station allocation has become one demented chess game, with small towns seeming to be the biggest losers.
The further Northeast 1270 (WXGO) moves, the lower its power goes because of WXYT, 1270 in Detroit. Maps in their app show a horrid 330 watt signal beamed due east, designed to give minimum legal coverage to make Aurora the City of License. Would have a bit more power, and be hitting a lot more bodies if it went to Hebron or Burlington and beamed east.
So why Aurora? So that the existing Aurora station (Marty Pieratt's WSCH 99.3) can be moved. If WSCH can be made to go away, First Broadcasting's WAOL, Ripley, OH, already with a CP for Amelia, can perhaps move the signal further into Cincinnati while retaining Amelia as the COL.
Meanwhile, Pieratt's other area station, (WXCH 102.9), appears to be moving for no apparent reason to become a low-powered station for Hope IN, a suburb of Columbus Indiana (!), with a frequency change to 103.1. I'm guessing that is as far west as you could move that station without bumping into other 103.1's or adjacent channels and in that direction. And Cox, a major city broadcasting company, for some reason has an option to buy WXCH from the company that has an option to buy Pieratt's stations.
WXCH move seems legal because of low power (but not LPFM) religious station that started in Versailles a few years ago. (FCC online docs on this issue seem to be lacking, but it does show they rejected 3rd party objections to the move. one of which was from Cox IIRC.)
Meanwhile Cox is about to move 95.7 WHIO-FM from Piqua to Cincinnati (Sharonville) with engineering help from First Broadcasting, probably to sell it.
If they replaced WHIO-FM by buying 102.9 in Springfield, which has its transmitter there... they could move its transmitter into Dayton except for two little problems: Adjacent channel WEBN in Cinti and co-channel WXCH in Versailles. But if they bump up to 103.1, they solve the WEBN problem, and with WXCH moved west, and them rewarding the move by buying the station, they solve the co-channel problem through increased distance and reduced WXCH power.
This would allow 102.9 to become the new WHIO-FM.
This leaves it for WSCH to reemerge in some town that doesn't have a radio license. Maybe a small town near Piqua after WHIO-FM moves, or in NE KY in the area vacated by WAOL's signal.
So the scorecard is this:
- SE IN loses two more of its radio stations, and its #1 rated simulcast, while gaining an AM that won't be audible two miles west of Aurora's western boundary, or in most of Greendale, and which won't gain any measurable audience in the Cleves area where the signal is beamed (though that must be there hope in having a better signal there than in Aurora). WRBI becomes the only station actually attempting to serve SE IN, unless you count the weak AM in Connersville, the religious station in Versailles, or Ohio licensed ClassX.
- Madison, IN loses one of its two radio stations, and what sounded like a pretty functional one.
- First Broadcasting gains a Cincinnati station, or an almost-Cincinnati station as WAOL moves west.
- Cox gains money from selling 95.7 in Sharonville to whomever they sell it to.
- Cox then buys 102.9 and turns it into 102.1, the new WHIO-FM.
- The new owner of WSCH moves it somewhere as a new station.
I'm sure I must have made some technical or historical errors here, not to mention a bad guess or two. Station allocation has become one demented chess game, with small towns seeming to be the biggest losers.
Does Lee Reynolds have some connection to EMF Broadcasting?
BOB...I thought I saw the K-Love connection somehwere, but now I can't find it. Some interesting ownership info though.
Check out the ownership information here:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=514992
Looks like Lee Reynolds and three of his family members are going to be owners of WSCH.
Even more intersteing, is the COX RADIO angle. Look at Section 3, paragraph C:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=514990
exradio...I would say that you are right about the COX connection.
Check out the ownership information here:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=514992
Looks like Lee Reynolds and three of his family members are going to be owners of WSCH.
Even more intersteing, is the COX RADIO angle. Look at Section 3, paragraph C:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=514990
exradio...I would say that you are right about the COX connection.
BobOnTheJob said:There's something exceptionally fishy going on where WXCH is concerned. It's well known that they must move to 102.9 to make way for WRKA's upgrade on 103.1. The question that no one will answer (and I'm the contract engineer for the place) is : Why do they have an application in for a whopping 500 watts at 14 meters, horizontal only in the new COL, Hope,IN? At one time they had a 6KW DA application that mysteriously was withdrawn. Time will tell...but there's certainly a story to be told here...if only someone will tell it. I believe that a full 6KW non directional would fit at the site that the 500 watts is being applied for. Is anyone in the know or have any juicy theories?
With regard to WXCH moving to Hope @ 102.9... it is indeed moving so that WRKA can move to the northeast of Louisville and go from an A to a C2. However, the 102.9 allotment in Hope was opened up by a recent move of WYGB "Korn Country" in Edinburgh. WYGB was formerly on 102.9 with a directional 3kW operation I believe, but they upgraded to a 6kW operation at 100.3 FM, the channel vacated by the move of WIFE from Connersville to Norwood, OH. So, I'm not sure if the WXCH 102.9 at Hope could go 6kW DA or not.
I hope to hear more on this developing story in SE Indiana. I was born and raised in Madison, where WXGO is. I think it's sad for WXGO to move to Aurora and throw flea power over a small and insignificant area in the tri-state region when it has been providing solid service to Madison (oldies, local news, HS basketball, Cincinnati Reds affiliate, etc.).
Also, with WXCH possibly being K-Love... I do know that WJLR 91.5 Seymour has a bit of trouble up in the Columbus area, though they are operating a translator in Columbus on 102.1. They might like to get a stronger signal (aka the 102.9 in Hope) to help cover more of the I-65 corridor and enable them to possibly get some more translators closer to the southside of Indianapolis.
BOB...True, WRKA is a Cox station so that makes sense.
I have to say though that WXGO's new signal will cover quite a few people, relatively speaking. It looks like it will throw listenable signal over close to 700,000 people. That includes about half of Hamilton County (Cincinnati) and Boone and Kenton Counties in northern Kentucky, not to mention Dearborn County. If you look at it in terms of 12+ numbers, it could cover close to 500,000 people. Certainly not good in terms of the overall market, but it could be something of a niche.
I have to say though that WXGO's new signal will cover quite a few people, relatively speaking. It looks like it will throw listenable signal over close to 700,000 people. That includes about half of Hamilton County (Cincinnati) and Boone and Kenton Counties in northern Kentucky, not to mention Dearborn County. If you look at it in terms of 12+ numbers, it could cover close to 500,000 people. Certainly not good in terms of the overall market, but it could be something of a niche.
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