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New Toys For Processing Heads

I am suprised about the amount of processors NOT being (listenable ) demo-ed at the NAB. I can count these at 2 fingers...
All big brands are not offering any listenable demo opportunities, Orban, Omnia not offering any ( not speaking of the ignorance of the dutch Orban representatives, since we weren't wearing any suits ... I was kind of pissed of after meeting these dudes. I had high hopes on Orban, but it vanished due to these dudes.. pfff what an ignorance..they had no time to talk to us, coffee had higher importance according to them. )

Aev, BW however were offering extensive demo facillities. They gave us the time to listen to their gear and we as potential customer were taken seriously. So Big +++ for AEV ( exposing their AEV Extreme) and Broadcast Warehouse ( exposing their DSPX and DSPXtra )

Let's await NAB 2007..
 
Never forget your meat and potatoes. I know that Omnia and Orban are pushing other things, but their flagships should always be available for demos. At least they would be if it were my display.
 
fugazi said:
I am suprised about the amount of processors NOT being (listenable ) demo-ed at the NAB. I can count these at 2 fingers...
All big brands are not offering any listenable demo opportunities, Orban, Omnia not offering any ( not speaking of the ignorance of the dutch Orban representatives, since we weren't wearing any suits ... I was kind of pissed of after meeting these dudes. I had high hopes on Orban, but it vanished due to these dudes.. pfff what an ignorance..they had no time to talk to us, coffee had higher importance according to them.
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Ah....All of our Omnia processors were available to be listened to, and played with. We had (4) dedicated kiosks setup for listening to all of the various units. There was another area setup to listen to the 5.1 Surround demo, and yet another for listening to Omnia A/X. The Omnia productline took up most of the space in our entire exhibit.

-Frank Foti
 
Perhaps we visited omnia at the wrong time, but we didn't got any demo. We got a lot of info and a nice chat about the omnia one, which was in the top position of the rack ( @ the NAB, have picture of it ). But unfortunately no listening to it ( we spent 40 minutes at the omnia stand and had a nice chat about different omnia boxes). This is my perception, it's a pitty if this is just a personal perception which is displayed on radio-info.com as being the truth. Again, this is my personal perception, if you have a different perception please post.

Anyway, the upcoming NAB will make things right for me, i'm shure. I will just demand a listening session.. ;-)
 
fugazi said:
Perhaps we visited omnia at the wrong time, but we didn't got any demo. We got a lot of info and a nice chat about the omnia one, which was in the top position of the rack ( @ the NAB, have picture of it ). But unfortunately no listening to it ( we spent 40 minutes at the omnia stand and had a nice chat about different omnia boxes). This is my perception, it's a pitty if this is just a personal perception which is displayed on radio-info.com as being the truth. Again, this is my personal perception, if you have a different perception please post.

Anyway, the upcoming NAB will make things right for me, i'm shure. I will just demand a listening session.. ;-)
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Your response explains quite a bit. Sadly, you were not at the rack that was setup for processing. The rack you mention was a master control display, and had the Omnia.One at the top for display purposes only. That was not the processor demo area. On the other side of the exhibit, is where the demo processors were. In that rack were two Omnia.One units: One for FM and the other for coded audio. Along with those were other Omnias too. ALL of them were connected to a switcher, and you could listen through speakers and headphones. I'm sorry that you were not able to find them. Additionally, I was at our exhibit all of the time, except for an hour on Monday, when I had to present my NAB paper. So, not sure whom you would have spoken to, as we had plenty of people there to demo our products. (Although, we were very busy the entire show.) We do try to see to it, that all who visit, get the attention they are looking for.

For the record, we have ALWAYS provided working trade show demos of our processing gear. We would not go through all the expense of a tradeshow like NAB, and not offer the attendees the chance to hear the equipment.

-Frank Foti
 
Shoot me, hmmm. We were at the wrong place..
So there was an omnia listening booth. We missed it, pitty.

This year's NAB we won't miss it.

Regards,

Evert
 
fugazi said:
Shoot me, hmmm. We were at the wrong place..
So there was an omnia listening booth. We missed it, pitty.

This year's NAB we won't miss it.

Regards,

Evert
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Evert,

Honestly, I'm sorry too, as I enjoy meeting and talking with people who are interested in our products.

Regards as well,

-Frank Foti
 
DITTO on that Mr.Foti.. The Omnia booth has always treated everyone FIRST CLASS and most of all with respect.They would get the award for the most friendly group.I hate you missed the demo area ,cause that is where it is happening.Wish i could say the same for their main competitor,but it was not a great experience for me.i must have looked like a step child there.Well, i have owned,built from the ground up, 2 fm's and 1 AM so i feel like i have a good grasp on processing(my favorite) and rf engineering.It's not my first rodeo...
 
I'm a bit ashamed..
So, Omnia was at the NAB with listening possibilities for their equipment, but we didn't find it.
Instead we ended up at the wrong omnia booth ( display purposes only ) as it seems.
So, i was wrong, sorry frank and all others.

Anyway, does omnia offer free coffee at their booth this year? ;D

Regards,

Evert
 
fugazi said:
I'm a bit ashamed..
So, Omnia was at the NAB with listening possibilities for their equipment, but we didn't find it.
Instead we ended up at the wrong omnia booth ( display purposes only ) as it seems.
So, i was wrong, sorry frank and all others.

Anyway, does omnia offer free coffee at their booth this year? ;D

Regards,

Evert
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Evert,

No apology necessary, or should you feel ashamed my friend. NAB is a big crazy tradeshow, and goofy things can hasppen.

BTW: Not only did we have free coffee, but some choice biscotti too! :)

-Frank Foti
 
Ever since you manufacturers started worrying about liability at conventions, and the primo hospitality suites toned it down a bit, we've needed some sort of hospitality competition. Good coffee and biscotti were merely the opening shot. P'raps next year, Omnia could have a sushi bar? Orban could counter with a Benihana style 'show' chef grilling hor's d'oeuvres and tossing them about. Wheatstone might show with a Brazilian style set of waiters with food on skewers moving about and serving.

You guys can have the idea free, we'll all look forward to next year's competition.
 
wgliradio said:
fm-engineer said:
Man, I sure miss the 80's and processors in series ;D
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Actually, I think processing reached a sonic peak in the late 80's, when you had 8100's tuned to sound their best, AGC's like Prisms and Compellors, which are still used today (the Ariane is a supercharged Prism taken to new heights). These chains were loud and proud and I do miss that sound.
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You are so right about the prizms!

I don't think i heard anything better than a Prizm into a 8100a.

I was programming a station in 87 and had a urei la3a into Prizm into 8100a INCREDIBLE! I haven't heard a digital box hold the levels like that.
 
littlejohn said:
Ever since you manufacturers started worrying about liability at conventions, and the primo hospitality suites toned it down a bit, we've needed some sort of hospitality competition. Good coffee and biscotti were merely the opening shot. P'raps next year, Omnia could have a sushi bar? Orban could counter with a Benihana style 'show' chef grilling hor's d'oeuvres and tossing them about. Wheatstone might show with a Brazilian style set of waiters with food on skewers moving about and serving.

You guys can have the idea free, we'll all look forward to next year's competition.
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Where's the dancing bears :D
 
BossJock1947 said:
You are so right about the prizms!

I don't think i heard anything better than a Prizm into a 8100a.

I was programming a station in 87 and had a urei la3a into Prizm into 8100a INCREDIBLE! I haven't heard a digital box hold the levels like that.
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You should hear an 8100A with an Ariane. Audio is like a nice blanket.
 
TOTALLY agree!

We sent an 8100 off to get refurbed, had an arianne at the studio into a digital STL, then an 8100 w/card 5 out at the XMTR plugged straight into a Harris Digit. Spectacular.

Spectral balance, unfatiguing density, and lovely HF's.
 
I know. It's loud enough and has just the right amount of everything. No nonsense processing that is predictable, balanced and sounds pleasing. While all the other stations have screwed up digital boxes by over-tweaking parameters they don't understand, this is a plug and play system that you can literally settle in in 10 minutes.
 
fugazi said:
I am suprised about the amount of processors NOT being (listenable ) demo-ed at the NAB. I can count these at 2 fingers...
All big brands are not offering any listenable demo opportunities, Orban, Omnia not offering any ( not speaking of the ignorance of the dutch Orban representatives, since we weren't wearing any suits ... I was kind of pissed of after meeting these dudes. I had high hopes on Orban, but it vanished due to these dudes.. pfff what an ignorance..they had no time to talk to us, coffee had higher importance according to them. )
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At the Orban booth in the Radio Hall, there were several kiosks (two devoted to FM processing, one devoted to AM, and one devopted to TV), all equipped with "live" processors. Each kiosk had two pairs of headphones for listening and making A/B comparisons between the various processors in a given kiosk. There were *no* static processor exhibits. So I really don't understand your comment above.

Orban also had a smaller booth in the Multimedia hall, but that was devoted to our products for netcasting.

Bob Orban
 
Yeah.. Orban, Telos-Omnia and BW all had working displays. One thing I WASN'T impressed with at the BW display is the fact they were using lossy-compression mpeg files for the demo. It's hard to do a real comparision to a new product when the source is lousy.

What would be VERY cool at the NAB is to have a netral booth somewhere running the same audio side by side where a guy can do a A-B-C comparison with headphones on. It's still subjective and subject to settings on the processors, but at least it's a start to really comparing the boxes. Having a pair of each, one dedicated to agressive processing and one to moderate processing would be REALLY nice.
 
OKCRadioGuy said:
What would be VERY cool at the NAB is to have a netral booth somewhere running the same audio side by side where a guy can do a A-B-C comparison with headphones on. It's still subjective and subject to settings on the processors, but at least it's a start to really comparing the boxes. Having a pair of each, one dedicated to agressive processing and one to moderate processing would be REALLY nice.
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Actually, this was tried years ago. In 1991, there was a processing demo booth, and it failed badly. Reason being is that, even though it was supervised, people still messed with the boxes, and 'false' results occurred.

Processors today, are so flexible, that setting a couple units to a few settings does not offer a fair result. To be fair, you'd need a representative there from each company to insure that their unit was being used properly.

-Frank Foti
 
I would have a CD player feeding a DA feeding each of the processors under test. End users would be encouraged to bring uncompressed samples of their studio audio to the show to demo into the boxes. I don't agree with pre-packaged audio for demos, I'd rather play my own. I can usually tell if a box is worth an in house demo from just a few minutes listening to it.
 
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