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New Trend for Oldies Format?

Perhaps this in trend in television could create a new desire for older demos among agencies ...let's hope so!

booger!


TV Misses Mark Among Older Folks

Wednesday, February 01, 2006

By Megan Manni



The young'uns have "American Idol" and "24," but what's on the tube for Grandma and Grandpa?

Networks define their success by the number of viewers they can attract between the ages of 18 and 49, also known as the "crucial” 18-49 demographic.

But with the Baby Boom generation now between the ages of 45 and 60 — and watching TV in large numbers — experts feel networks and advertisers will soon begin paying more attention to the older folks.

“The advertising industry is already beginning to see they may have been putting too many eggs in the basket of 18-34 or 18-49, and that those over 55 have been kind of ignored," said Professor Robert Thompson, director of the Center for the Study of Popular Television at Syracuse University. “Especially as baby boomers move into their older years, advertisers are going to realize this is an enormous category, that these are people who are still conspicuous consumers.”

Most networks do have a substantial base audience of older viewers, yet advertisers continue to prioritize younger demos.

Nielsen broadcast ratings and demographic data from the week of Jan. 9 through Jan. 15 show people ages 55 and over are watching shows like "Without a Trace," "Numb3rs" and "Law & Order" in significant numbers, in the neighborhood of 45 percent of the entire viewership for each show.

Shows like "NCIS," "Commander in Chief" and "Dancing with the Stars" are each watched by about 16 million people, exactly half of which are seniors age 55 and over, according to Nielsen.

“Senior citizens don't necessarily always want to watch shows about other senior citizens,” said Thompson. “They can enjoy watching things about pretty young people; not many seniors are dancing with the stars, but still that kind of program does well.”

But for some shows, success with the older folks can be the kiss of death.

"Commander in Chief" is going on hiatus, it was announced this week — often a bad sign for a program. According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, “Commander in Chief” suffered in the ratings against the season premiere of "American Idol," and has never been strong among younger viewers. In fact, The Hollywood Reporter notes the median age of the show’s viewers is 54, making it ABC’s second most popular show among seniors.

Another popular show among seniors, the WB’s "7th Heaven," which according to Nielsen Media Research is watched most by ages 25-54 (45 percent) with its second highest demo being ages 55 and over (25 percent), ends its epic run this year, due to monetary constraints.

On the same network, a comedy called "Just Legal" pairing '80s star Don Johnson with a junior counterpart in 23-year-old Jay Baruchel was pulled after only two episodes and quickly cancelled when execs realized the show was attracting women ages 55 and over.

"Networks do not normally highlight the older viewers in their audience,” said Laura James of Nielsen Media Research. When asked why, James said, “It’s just not the usual selling demo.”

And with their favorite shows going off the air, seniors are turning largely to cable TV.

“A lot of the programs on cable are things that are already familiar to older viewers and that they feel more comfortable with, rather than the new shows being offered on broadcast,” said Bill Carroll, VP/Director of Programming for Katz Television Group, a media-buying firm.

The Hallmark Channel, for example, is bringing back popular stars from the last 30 years in monthly TV movies — actors like Richard Chamberlain, Shelley Long, "Happy Days" mom Marion Ross, Patrick Duffy and Loni Anderson.

At a recent press tour Ross, 77, remarked to a Canadian newspaper, “Hallmark is smart enough to realize that people our age are home, watching TV.”

An aggregate of senior citizens over age 65 at Sunrise Assisted Living in Paramus, N.J., revealed that of the two or more hours per day they watch television, most of it is on cable rather than network TV, except for syndicated programs like "Dr. Phil" and "Jeopardy."

While they say they like to stay in tune with current shows, none knew of "24," "Desperate Housewives," "House" or "Grey’s Anatomy."

It’s difficult, they said, to keep up with shows that need a lot of weekly attention, but they do enjoy shows like "The West Wing" (also recently cancelled due to falling ratings) and "ER."

Many admitted they miss sitcoms and "the older shows" like "Andy Griffith," "Gunsmoke" and "Bonanza" and variety shows like Sid Caesar's "Your Show of Shows" and "The Carol Burnett Show," most of which are available in reruns on cable. What they do wind up watching is A&E, AMC, TBS, TNT, ESPN and of course — reruns of "The Golden Girls," which is still popular in syndication.

Nielsen data show the programs watched to a significantly lesser extent by people ages 55 and over are "My Name Is Earl," "Fear Factor," "Wife Swap" and "The Office."

But as long as these shows hit the target 18-49 demographic, they will continue to stay on the air.

“People 18-34, 18-49 are off doing a lot of other things besides watching television, especially network television. They’re messing around on the Internet or playing video games, watching DVDs… It’s a difficult demo to get and that makes them the most valuable,” said Thompson.

Advertisers will pay big for this group because they feel they have yet to establish their product preferences.

“Advertisers work on the premise that younger people haven’t established a brand preference yet — haven’t decided on a car, haven’t decided on a fast food restaurant, and that they are more likely to be influenced by advertising,” said Carroll. “Whereas older viewers have already chosen their brand of toothpaste.”

He added, “Younger viewers also have more discretionary income and are more likely to spend on impulse,” therefore making them more impressionable to advertising.

Thompson agreed that the younger set has more cash to blow — and more need to blow it.

“The reason why you’ve got this big baby boomer population yet the 18-49 group still remains desirable is that people in that age group are still on the make,” he said. “Many aren’t married yet, so they care about fashion and clothing. Others are recently married and need SUVs, diapers and cleaning materials.”

Getting the customers younger pays off as people become more brand-loyal in their lives, Thompson added, “And there’s a lot of stuff you may not need as much as you get older.”

But with so many networks, rather all, angling for the young hipster, wouldn’t it make sense for someone to skew older and capture the niche?

NBC and ABC, to be fair, are both targeting the 25-54 audience. And according to media-buying company Magna Global, the numbers have suggested the majority that come to the couch in that demo have deep pockets.

Back at the Hallmark table of the TV press tour, Shelley Long and Patrick Duffy told the Canadian paper The Edmonton Sun that they too believe the networks will sway back to older actors and older audiences.

“It just has to happen before we’re dead,” Duffy said.
 
It's probably too late. Music listeners of all ages are adamant about their music. If they can't find it on commercial radio, they will go elsewhere. 55+ has done that. Once you lose an audience, it's very difficult to get them back.



> [Perhaps this in trend in television could create a new
> desire for older demos among agencies ...let's hope so!
>
> booger!
>
>
> TV Misses Mark Among Older Folks
>
> Wednesday, February 01, 2006
>
> By Megan Manni
>
>
>
> The young'uns have "American Idol" and "24," but what's on
> the tube for Grandma and Grandpa?
>
> Networks define their success by the number of viewers they
> can attract between the ages of 18 and 49, also known as the
> "crucial” 18-49 demographic.
>
> But with the Baby Boom generation now between the ages of 45
> and 60 — and watching TV in large numbers — experts feel
> networks and advertisers will soon begin paying more
> attention to the older folks.
>
> “The advertising industry is already beginning to see they
> may have been putting too many eggs in the basket of 18-34
> or 18-49, and that those over 55 have been kind of ignored,"
> said Professor Robert Thompson, director of the Center for
> the Study of Popular Television at Syracuse University.
> “Especially as baby boomers move into their older years,
> advertisers are going to realize this is an enormous
> category, that these are people who are still conspicuous
> consumers.”
>
> Most networks do have a substantial base audience of older
> viewers, yet advertisers continue to prioritize younger
> demos.
>
> Nielsen broadcast ratings and demographic data from the week
> of Jan. 9 through Jan. 15 show people ages 55 and over are
> watching shows like "Without a Trace," "Numb3rs" and "Law &
> Order" in significant numbers, in the neighborhood of 45
> percent of the entire viewership for each show.
>
> Shows like "NCIS," "Commander in Chief" and "Dancing with
> the Stars" are each watched by about 16 million people,
> exactly half of which are seniors age 55 and over, according
> to Nielsen.
>
> “Senior citizens don't necessarily always want to watch
> shows about other senior citizens,” said Thompson. “They can
> enjoy watching things about pretty young people; not many
> seniors are dancing with the stars, but still that kind of
> program does well.”
>
> But for some shows, success with the older folks can be the
> kiss of death.
>
> "Commander in Chief" is going on hiatus, it was announced
> this week — often a bad sign for a program. According to the
> Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, “Commander in Chief” suffered in
> the ratings against the season premiere of "American Idol,"
> and has never been strong among younger viewers. In fact,
> The Hollywood Reporter notes the median age of the show’s
> viewers is 54, making it ABC’s second most popular show
> among seniors.
>
> Another popular show among seniors, the WB’s "7th Heaven,"
> which according to Nielsen Media Research is watched most by
> ages 25-54 (45 percent) with its second highest demo being
> ages 55 and over (25 percent), ends its epic run this year,
> due to monetary constraints.
>
> On the same network, a comedy called "Just Legal" pairing
> '80s star Don Johnson with a junior counterpart in
> 23-year-old Jay Baruchel was pulled after only two episodes
> and quickly cancelled when execs realized the show was
> attracting women ages 55 and over.
>
> "Networks do not normally highlight the older viewers in
> their audience,” said Laura James of Nielsen Media Research.
> When asked why, James said, “It’s just not the usual selling
> demo.”
>
> And with their favorite shows going off the air, seniors are
> turning largely to cable TV.
>
> “A lot of the programs on cable are things that are already
> familiar to older viewers and that they feel more
> comfortable with, rather than the new shows being offered on
> broadcast,” said Bill Carroll, VP/Director of Programming
> for Katz Television Group, a media-buying firm.
>
> The Hallmark Channel, for example, is bringing back popular
> stars from the last 30 years in monthly TV movies — actors
> like Richard Chamberlain, Shelley Long, "Happy Days" mom
> Marion Ross, Patrick Duffy and Loni Anderson.
>
> At a recent press tour Ross, 77, remarked to a Canadian
> newspaper, “Hallmark is smart enough to realize that people
> our age are home, watching TV.”
>
> An aggregate of senior citizens over age 65 at Sunrise
> Assisted Living in Paramus, N.J., revealed that of the two
> or more hours per day they watch television, most of it is
> on cable rather than network TV, except for syndicated
> programs like "Dr. Phil" and "Jeopardy."
>
> While they say they like to stay in tune with current shows,
> none knew of "24," "Desperate Housewives," "House" or
> "Grey’s Anatomy."
>
> It’s difficult, they said, to keep up with shows that need a
> lot of weekly attention, but they do enjoy shows like "The
> West Wing" (also recently cancelled due to falling ratings)
> and "ER."
>
> Many admitted they miss sitcoms and "the older shows" like
> "Andy Griffith," "Gunsmoke" and "Bonanza" and variety shows
> like Sid Caesar's "Your Show of Shows" and "The Carol
> Burnett Show," most of which are available in reruns on
> cable. What they do wind up watching is A&E, AMC, TBS, TNT,
> ESPN and of course — reruns of "The Golden Girls," which is
> still popular in syndication.
>
> Nielsen data show the programs watched to a significantly
> lesser extent by people ages 55 and over are "My Name Is
> Earl," "Fear Factor," "Wife Swap" and "The Office."
>
> But as long as these shows hit the target 18-49 demographic,
> they will continue to stay on the air.
>
> “People 18-34, 18-49 are off doing a lot of other things
> besides watching television, especially network television.
> They’re messing around on the Internet or playing video
> games, watching DVDs… It’s a difficult demo to get and that
> makes them the most valuable,” said Thompson.
>
> Advertisers will pay big for this group because they feel
> they have yet to establish their product preferences.
>
> “Advertisers work on the premise that younger people haven’t
> established a brand preference yet — haven’t decided on a
> car, haven’t decided on a fast food restaurant, and that
> they are more likely to be influenced by advertising,” said
> Carroll. “Whereas older viewers have already chosen their
> brand of toothpaste.”
>
> He added, “Younger viewers also have more discretionary
> income and are more likely to spend on impulse,” therefore
> making them more impressionable to advertising.
>
> Thompson agreed that the younger set has more cash to blow —
> and more need to blow it.
>
> “The reason why you’ve got this big baby boomer population
> yet the 18-49 group still remains desirable is that people
> in that age group are still on the make,” he said. “Many
> aren’t married yet, so they care about fashion and clothing.
> Others are recently married and need SUVs, diapers and
> cleaning materials.”
>
> Getting the customers younger pays off as people become more
> brand-loyal in their lives, Thompson added, “And there’s a
> lot of stuff you may not need as much as you get older.”
>
> But with so many networks, rather all, angling for the young
> hipster, wouldn’t it make sense for someone to skew older
> and capture the niche?
>
> NBC and ABC, to be fair, are both targeting the 25-54
> audience. And according to media-buying company Magna
> Global, the numbers have suggested the majority that come to
> the couch in that demo have deep pockets.
>
> Back at the Hallmark table of the TV press tour, Shelley
> Long and Patrick Duffy told the Canadian paper The Edmonton
> Sun that they too believe the networks will sway back to
> older actors and older audiences.
>
> “It just has to happen before we’re dead,” Duffy said.]
>
 
> It's probably too late. Music listeners of all ages are
> adamant about their music. If they can't find it on
> commercial radio, they will go elsewhere. 55+ has done
> that. Once you lose an audience, it's very difficult to get
> them back.
>
It may bne too late - but contrary to what is written by the experts on the radioinfo pages, reading the business press will clue you intop the fact that advertisers just woke up to who has all the money in our fair land - the over 55 bunch.

There is now ongoing discussions on how to free up the cash.

Ignoring the "seniors" (me) which radio formatting seems obsessed with doing sure isn't away to get our attention.

rickity
 
New Trend

We comment about what "is". That's different than "what should be". The first post on this thread was not inaccurate but ad spending ON RADIO targeting 55+ listeners hasn't happened, isn't happening and doesn't appear to be happening in the near future.

And, if we think about it, I believe we'd all agree that, now more than ever, if corporate radio smells a trend that will make them money, they'll be all over it. The "wishful thinking" we all have about 50+ ad money all of a sudden blowing the roof off radio advertising may never happen.

Not saying I agree with it, but it is what it is.


> It may bne too late - but contrary to what is written by the
> experts on the radioinfo pages, reading the business press
> will clue you intop the fact that advertisers just woke up
> to who has all the money in our fair land - the over 55
> bunch.
>
> There is now ongoing discussions on how to free up the cash.
>
>
> Ignoring the "seniors" (me) which radio formatting seems
> obsessed with doing sure isn't away to get our attention.
>
> rickity
>
 
Re: New Trend

> We comment about what "is". That's different than "what
> should be". The first post on this thread was not
> inaccurate but ad spending ON RADIO targeting 55+ listeners
> hasn't happened, isn't happening and doesn't appear to be
> happening in the near future.
>
> And, if we think about it, I believe we'd all agree that,
> now more than ever, if corporate radio smells a trend that
> will make them money, they'll be all over it. The "wishful
> thinking" we all have about 50+ ad money all of a sudden
> blowing the roof off radio advertising may never happen.
>
> Not saying I agree with it, but it is what it is.

I understand and your point is well taken. I just believe that corporate radio might smell a trend in the near future that could be started by television.

booger!
 
Trend

It would be great if they did- except similar "trends" have been popping up for the past 10 years, so I don't have a lot of faith they'll (radio advertisers) will ever catch on.

>
> I understand and your point is well taken. I just believe
> that corporate radio might smell a trend in the near future
> that could be started by television.
>
> booger!
>
 
Re: New Trend

> I understand and your point is well taken. I just believe
> that corporate radio might smell a trend in the near future
> that could be started by television.

I'm surprised that someone hasn't started a nostalgic TV network that focused mostly on TV variety shows from the past. Ed Sullivan, Jackie Gleason, Milton Berle, Dean Martin, Laugh In, Lawrence Welk, and signing off in the evening with reruns of Johnny Carson. There is a lot of good stuff out there if you could work out the copyright agreements. (That may be the problem).

It seems like easy pickin's to me. But what do I know....
 
Trend

The clearances are one problem and so would be enough material to run 24/7.
That's a pretty narrow niche and we have to remind ourselves many of those shows were off-the-air (the genre) by the early 70s, save for Carol Burnett.

Your premise was actually part of the original TV Land but just like Oldies radio, they couldn't make a living on just shows from the 50s and 60s- they had to contemporize somewhat and it's working.

>
> I'm surprised that someone hasn't started a nostalgic TV
> network that focused mostly on TV variety shows from the
> past. Ed Sullivan, Jackie Gleason, Milton Berle, Dean
> Martin, Laugh In, Lawrence Welk, and signing off in the
> evening with reruns of Johnny Carson. There is a lot of good
> stuff out there if you could work out the copyright
> agreements. (That may be the problem).
>
> It seems like easy pickin's to me. But what do I know....
>
 
Re: Trend

> > I understand and your point is well taken. I just believe
> > that corporate radio might smell a trend in the near
> future that could be started by television.>

I work in radio advertising sales....and, from what agencies tell me...people age 50+ do have income/assets...but they don't spend as much money as people 18-49.

It's their feeling people in their 20's to 40's may buy on credit, but they buy and buy and buy and buy because they're in the part of their lives when they are growing their families...buying homes, cars, lots of stuff. These agencies don't believe people 50+ buy as much stuff,even though they have a lot more money, and are thus not desirable consumer targets.
 
Trend

Sounds about right. I still believe part of the equation is perception, though.

>
> I work in radio advertising sales....and, from what agencies
> tell me...people age 50+ do have income/assets...but they
> don't spend as much money as people 18-49.
>
> It's their feeling people in their 20's to 40's may buy on
> credit, but they buy and buy and buy and buy because they're
> in the part of their lives when they are growing their
> families...buying homes, cars, lots of stuff. These agencies
> don't believe people 50+ buy as much stuff,even though they
> have a lot more money, and are thus not desirable consumer
> targets.
>
 
Re: Trend

> Sounds about right. I still believe part of the equation is
> perception, though.
>
> >
> > I work in radio advertising sales....and, from what
> agencies
> > tell me...people age 50+ do have income/assets...but they
> > don't spend as much money as people 18-49.
> >
> > It's their feeling people in their 20's to 40's may buy on
>
> > credit, but they buy and buy and buy and buy because
> they're
> > in the part of their lives when they are growing their
> > families...buying homes, cars, lots of stuff. These
> agencies
> > don't believe people 50+ buy as much stuff,even though
> they
> > have a lot more money, and are thus not desirable consumer
>
> > targets.
> >
>


But isn't the purpose of advertising GETTING people to spend their money? Boomers would spend it if it was something worthwhile. I know I do!
 
Trend

Yes, but the demand and willingness to spend has to be there first- it doesn't work the other way around.

>
> But isn't the purpose of advertising GETTING people to spend
> their money? Boomers would spend it if it was something
> worthwhile. I know I do!
>
 
Re: Trend

Additionally, its much easier to "train" an 18-45 dog to buy a new product than it is a 50+ one to change brands. Its a hard nut to crack.... they do have more disposable income, and they do spend it... but trying to get them to change old habits is NOT an easy proposition.... and Madison Avenue will do NOTHING but take the easy road every time! (and THAT is the REAL problem)

> Yes, but the demand and willingness to spend has to be there
> first- it doesn't work the other way around.
>
> >
> > But isn't the purpose of advertising GETTING people to
> spend
> > their money? Boomers would spend it if it was something
> > worthwhile. I know I do!
> >
>
 
Trend

agreed

Additionally, its much easier to "train" an 18-45 dog to buy
> a new product than it is a 50+ one to change brands. Its a
> hard nut to crack.... they do have more disposable income,
> and they do spend it... but trying to get them to change old
> habits is NOT an easy proposition.... and Madison Avenue
> will do NOTHING but take the easy road every time! (and THAT
> is the REAL problem)
>
> > Yes, but the demand and willingness to spend has to be
> there first- it doesn't work the other way around.
> >
> > >
> > > But isn't the purpose of advertising GETTING people to
> > spend their money? Boomers would spend it if it was something
> > > worthwhile. I know I do!
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: Trend

> agreed
>
> Additionally, its much easier to "train" an 18-45 dog to
> buy a new product than it is a 50+ one to change brands. Its a
> hard nut to crack.... they do have more disposable income,
> and they do spend it... but trying to get them to change
> old habits is NOT an easy proposition.... and Madison Avenue
> will do NOTHING but take the easy road every time! (and THAT
> is the REAL problem)

As I graduated from college, I watched my dad become more and more disenchanted with radio. The man bought a small boom box and a lot of cassettes. Satellite is here, and more of my oldies loving friends are telling me they're looking at the service. In central Indiana, several smaller market stations have picked up, or continue to wave the oldies banner, but some of them have poor audio processing, they're hard to listen to. Free radio may be the biggest loser.

I think one thing Madison Avenue is missing is that as boomers, we are not like our parents or grandparents. Many of us still experiment. There are still new products to try. New technologies to master. New horizons to follow. I think the agencies are missing a very large boat.
 
Trend

True, very true. The other things they forget are the Boomers are much more creative with their money (investing, 401Ks, etc.) and are a much healthier group than the previous generation. Today's 60 year old (heath-wise) is like a 50 year old might have been around the late 1970s or early 80s.

But, 50+ still isn't hip, cool and sexy to 30 yr old sellers and agency folks.


> I think one thing Madison Avenue is missing is that as
> boomers, we are not like our parents or grandparents. Many
> of us still experiment. There are still new products to
> try. New technologies to master. New horizons to follow. I
> think the agencies are missing a very large boat.
>
 
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