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If somebody wants to start a new station and asserts it's going to happen, I'm wondering where?

Is Keymarket selling another frequency?

On the AM band?

Internet only?

A vacant LPFM?

Brokered programming ?

Some rimshot ?
 
The remaining Keymarket properties don't make sense unless they are totally bailing out; 104.3 is the only one that reaches the city.

I would not rule out EMF flipping 98.3 to Eddie for a small profit. I said all along it was the perfect signal for urban.

I think the price tag would be too high on any of the other FMs but you never know. I think the Frischlings need 2 stations to have enough income to survive, and I don't see CBS or CC selling off just one station.

In my mind it's probably going to be 1360, 660, 1080, 1550, 860, 1510, 540, 620 or WJAS in that order of likelihood, maybe supplement it with a couple of Keymarket's repeaters on FM. Can't see it being just a LPFM translator because then he'd need to build a facility (and I'm not sure the license would even allow that), unless he could lease the old WAMO studios. And as far as I know, 1080's in the same building downtown so that might be the ticket technically.
 
Parttimer said:
The remaining Keymarket properties don't make sense unless they are totally bailing out; 104.3 is the only one that reaches the city.

I would not rule out EMF flipping 98.3 to Eddie for a small profit. I said all along it was the perfect signal for urban.

I think the price tag would be too high on any of the other FMs but you never know. I think the Frischlings need 2 stations to have enough income to survive, and I don't see CBS or CC selling off just one station.

In my mind it's probably going to be 1360, 660, 1080, 1550, 860, 1510, 540, 620 or WJAS in that order of likelihood, maybe supplement it with a couple of Keymarket's repeaters on FM. Can't see it being just a LPFM translator because then he'd need to build a facility (and I'm not sure the license would even allow that), unless he could lease the old WAMO studios. And as far as I know, 1080's in the same building downtown so that might be the ticket technically.
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I concur with you on 98.3. If anyone knows how to make urban succeed in this market, it's Eddie Edwards. He knows the audience and the hands-on approach to ownership you need to have if you want it to fly. More than that, he worked very hard to earn the reputation he has today. Not a quitter by any means.

WAMO got too wrapped up in what other stations were doing and stopped paying attention to what the market wanted. I think WAMO would have fared better if they had catered to a more adult urban audience and left the hip-hop to B94 or 96.1.
 
I HOPE MR.EDDIE BUYS TO FM STATIONS...AND I THINK ONE OF THEM MAYBE A FROOGY STATION LIKE A 103.5(wogh)OR 104.3 AND HAVE A TRANSMITTER MOVE I HOPE HE BUYS 2 FM STATIONS. HES A SMART MAN...NO ONE WILL LISTEN TO AN AM MUSIC STATION IN THIS AREA EXCEPT GOSPEL. BUT 98.3 WOULD BE A GOOD MOVE..IF YOUR GOING TO BRING IN A URBAN STATION LET IT BE R&B & CLASSIC SOUL(URBAN AC) SINCE ITS MORE EXCEPTABLE. tHEN urban
 
i couldnt see a am station that would be a waste of money... i would like to see 92.9 bought out and 104.3 or 98.3
 
fmlive said:
i couldnt see a am station that would be a waste of money... i would like to see 92.9 bought out and 104.3 or 98.3
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92.9 no way, especially since they're adding their own Urban ac programming at night. And again, if Keymarket somehow gave up on 104.3 it means they're throwing in the towel entirely.

One other real long shot would be WJPA (95.3), but I don't know if that's good enough city coverage, or if they would sell.

You have to think about this... he didn't buy WAMO (maybe he wasn't given the opportunity) and any besides maybe 98.3, other legit Pittsburgh FM will cost more than WAMO sold for, probably a lot more. On the other hand, most of these AM properties are probably dying for a decent offer

No, an AM isn't a replacement for 106.7, but at least the community would have a voice on the air, and it would garner far more interest than what's on most of these signals now.
 
WJAS would be the best choice on the AM band of those stations mentioned. It seems to cover the city proper fairly well at night and is full-time. However, I know somebody who sort of has a show on 1360 and has indicated that 1360 sees internet streaming as their future. If true, 1360 could be for sell, but it's signal is awful at night. 860 of course is a heritage frequency and does cover the city at night. I can't see a daytimer having the type of impact today as it might have in 1958 when Pittsburgh had 6 F/T stations. WJPA fades out at the Maxon, a location essential for success.
 
One more thing: FM has spoiled people, especially young people, into expecting FM level reception and clarity. I don't see the youth audience who listened to 106.7 moving to AM. I think they would just stay with B or Kiss. However, if somebody did Urban on AM it could get people like me who are old enough to remember when Urban stations were relegated to the funky little signals like WWRL 1600, KGFJ 1230, WDAS 1480, WJMO 1490, WOOK 1340, WOL 1450, WWIN 1400,WSID 1010,WZUM 1590,WENZ 1450 and WAMO 860. If it was live 24/7 with strong personalities it would be a fantastic nostalgia trip back to the day when us Carnegie Mellon liberals always had at least one on the presets and found one or more when out of town looking to "free people". They rarely coverd their city of service at night and the thrill of keeping them tuned in while driving around looking for a jazz club was the ultimate in "hipster nirvana". WJMO was tricky at night, but mandatory for a visit to Leo's Casino on Euclid Ave.

What ever happened to moving 910 to Mt.Lebanon?

He could buy a rimshot and do what 96.5 did over the years as it migrated from Tidewater to Richmond. Buy a rimshot and then move the tower and put studios in the city. I know it's not that simple, but I saw it done several times. 95.3 got moved from Colonial Heights to Richmond and 92.1 from Mechanicsville Va to Richmond.

Back to FM, my daughter and her friends listened to Power 92 in Richmond, WAMO in Pittsburgh, and WLLD in Tampa. She never heard of WTMP AM until recently and she had discoverd Tom Joyner. When I was a guest on WRXB 1590, I know she never heard of them either. Now she listens to Magic 94.9 and Mix 100.7 in Tampa and WISH or Q in Pittsburgh.

My mother only listened to Lynn Cullen and doesn't listen to radio anymore since she discoverd MSNBC
 
A new urban in a city that lacks any sort of real Hip Hop station is a huge deal. Hope this goes through. Anyone have any sort of idea who we can start sending resumes to?
 
MsMusicRadio said:
What ever happened to moving 910 to Mt.Lebanon?
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Renda bailed, he deicded the upside wasn't worth the investment.

MsMusicRadio said:
He could buy a rimshot and do what 96.5 did over the years as it migrated from Tidewater to Richmond. Buy a rimshot and then move the tower and put studios in the city. I know it's not that simple, but I saw it done several times. 95.3 got moved from Colonial Heights to Richmond and 92.1 from Mechanicsville Va to Richmond.
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There are few, if any frequencies surrounding Pittsburgh that would qualify to move-in. You can't just decide you're going to do it, it requires that you fit the station into the spaces between others, and that protection extends far beyond the local market. Frankly it's MUCH harder to do here than in FL, because you have stations in all directions around you, major metro areas within short distances, and Canada to contend with. In FL you have water on one side or the other, so the equation is a lot simpler.

The last attempt on FM that I know of was to move WLSW (103.9)from Scottdale somewhere into the South Hills, but as I recall it also involved getting WQAL in Cleveland (104.1) to make a modification which never happened.

107.1 was part of the WAMO combo when WAMO moved to 106.7, but it was moved further east to accommodate 106.7's move to Wexford, so that can't easily be undone.

95.3 would have issues with 95.1 in Youngstown, actually licensed to Grove City, PA.

And aside from that, move-ins can take years to accomplish. Eddie has to buy something that can be heard in the city now.
 
Here's another one for you. Since there are posts here of even 620 on the AM as a possible site.
BCI has a station that is to be moving from Waynesburg, PA. to Mt. Pleasant, PA with increased power.
Since he the owner of 620/770 has been doing nothing with the 104.1 & 105.1 translators, (104.1 has been empty since at least June), maybe that would be aa option for Eddie Edwards. Hey Eddie, I hear Bob Stevens, o/o of BCI may be looking to sell his stations.
 
Eddie isn't a fool. He could buy any of the AMs mentioned here for the change in his pocket. But he knows that nobody else is making money with AM, so how could he? No, he's looking and talking to people about FMs. Already existing FMs. WSHH, WAMO and 98.3 would be the most likely targets since they have already sold or could be had for a reasonable $$.
 
WSHH? Really? 10,000 old ladies would have heart attacks....

Honestly I guess what we really don't know is how well-capitalized Eddie and any possible partners might be. With Renda at the helm, I guess WSHH could be available, but at that point he's out of business in this market. He'd have to sell all 3 properties.
 
I'd have a heart attack too. Those move-ins I mentioned were in Richmond Va, a city centered between DC, NorfolK and Raliegh -Durham. Could 96.5 be moved in from Johnstown?

Anyway, I guess 98.3 makes the most sense unless there is a new application somewhere.

Forgot that Pitt's radio station is in the commercial band at 92.1. Would Pitt sell?
 
Pitt's license is also non-commercial even though it's at 92.1. They were originally on 98.5, and relocated so that 98.3 could be moved in from Charleroi (somehat ironic in this discussion).

The original plan was to be on 88.1 with WRCT (CMU) moving from 88.3 to 88.5, but Channel 6 objected to a station on 88.1.
 
Back in the fifties Pitt could have had 50KW but no one there had the vision. Duquesne Univ. did and look what they have. What is it? 25 KW on 90.5 MHz. Not bad.
 
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