In the latest Trends out today, 92.5 WXTU in Philadelphia broke into the top 3 in 12+, the highest ranking ever for a country station in that town! Same as 92.5 WWYZ in Waterbury-Hartford. And # 1 in Allentown & Albany. There are transplanted New Yorkers all over those places, and people who commute daily to New York. Are all the surrounding markets really that much different that a country station couldn't get decent numbers in the suburbs? There seemed to be good press from New York on the CMA Awards - I know this is a "dead horse" arguement to some, but it still seems like somehow, if it can work in Philadelphia (where they said country would never come back when there was no station for 6 months in 1983-84) it could happen again with a station willing to make a commitment!
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edbealtherapking
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> In the latest Trends out today, 92.5 WXTU in Philadelphia
> broke into the top 3 in 12+, the highest ranking ever for a
> country station in that town! Same as 92.5 WWYZ in
> Waterbury-Hartford. And # 1 in Allentown & Albany. There
> are transplanted New Yorkers all over those places, and
> people who commute daily to New York. Are all the
> surrounding markets really that much different that a
> country station couldn't get decent numbers in the suburbs?
> There seemed to be good press from New York on the CMA
> Awards - I know this is a "dead horse" arguement to some,
> but it still seems like somehow, if it can work in
> Philadelphia (where they said country would never come back
> when there was no station for 6 months in 1983-84) it could
> happen again with a station willing to make a commitment!
>
Keep those stations out there , We dont need country drunks station in New York . We love Hip Hop drunks Stations . We dont ride bulls here , We ride big Hip Hop B--tty here . County Music awards Show in New York is so Dumb . Whats next ! Hip Hop Awards in Iceland ? Honky Tonk Badonkadonk song get no love here . Thank GOD !<P ID="signature">______________
Jack Format is bad for radio .</P>
> broke into the top 3 in 12+, the highest ranking ever for a
> country station in that town! Same as 92.5 WWYZ in
> Waterbury-Hartford. And # 1 in Allentown & Albany. There
> are transplanted New Yorkers all over those places, and
> people who commute daily to New York. Are all the
> surrounding markets really that much different that a
> country station couldn't get decent numbers in the suburbs?
> There seemed to be good press from New York on the CMA
> Awards - I know this is a "dead horse" arguement to some,
> but it still seems like somehow, if it can work in
> Philadelphia (where they said country would never come back
> when there was no station for 6 months in 1983-84) it could
> happen again with a station willing to make a commitment!
>
Keep those stations out there , We dont need country drunks station in New York . We love Hip Hop drunks Stations . We dont ride bulls here , We ride big Hip Hop B--tty here . County Music awards Show in New York is so Dumb . Whats next ! Hip Hop Awards in Iceland ? Honky Tonk Badonkadonk song get no love here . Thank GOD !<P ID="signature">______________
Jack Format is bad for radio .</P>
If country were to be a format on any of the large New York FM stations, it's going to get an audience. It's not going to be number 1, but I could see a country station going top 10 if programmed correctly. The station would probably do much better in the surrounding markets (Long Island, metro NJ), like WAXQ and WXRK usually do but could probably still pull a 3 12+ in NYC itself.
The problem is, no one wants to commit to it. Infinity seems content to keep flavor of the month formats in its revolving door status, and the Clear Channel stations are doing too well to change anything. So until Jack FM and Free FM prove to be failures (I feel Jack FM has already proven that, but I digress), country won't be around in NYC for a while.
For sake of argument, in the Boston market, its country station WKLB is doing very well, even with a transmitter over 20 miles away from downtown.
Jacko<P ID="signature">______________
I live for my dream,
And a pocket full of gold.
</P>
The problem is, no one wants to commit to it. Infinity seems content to keep flavor of the month formats in its revolving door status, and the Clear Channel stations are doing too well to change anything. So until Jack FM and Free FM prove to be failures (I feel Jack FM has already proven that, but I digress), country won't be around in NYC for a while.
For sake of argument, in the Boston market, its country station WKLB is doing very well, even with a transmitter over 20 miles away from downtown.
Jacko<P ID="signature">______________
I live for my dream,
And a pocket full of gold.
</P>
> In the latest Trends out today, 92.5 WXTU in Philadelphia
> broke into the top 3 in 12+, the highest ranking ever for a
> country station in that town! Same as 92.5 WWYZ in
> Waterbury-Hartford. And # 1 in Allentown & Albany. There
> are transplanted New Yorkers all over those places, and
> people who commute daily to New York. Are all the
> surrounding markets really that much different that a
> country station couldn't get decent numbers in the suburbs?
> There seemed to be good press from New York on the CMA
> Awards - I know this is a "dead horse" arguement to some,
> but it still seems like somehow, if it can work in
> Philadelphia (where they said country would never come back
> when there was no station for 6 months in 1983-84) it could
> happen again with a station willing to make a commitment!
>
I remember something Philly natives Hall and Oates said in an interview years ago, it has stuck with me all this time. They said NY and Philadelphia may be close physically, but culturally they are a million miles away.
As good as WXTU is doing, I still doubt country could pull more than a 2 share in heavily ethnic NYC.
> broke into the top 3 in 12+, the highest ranking ever for a
> country station in that town! Same as 92.5 WWYZ in
> Waterbury-Hartford. And # 1 in Allentown & Albany. There
> are transplanted New Yorkers all over those places, and
> people who commute daily to New York. Are all the
> surrounding markets really that much different that a
> country station couldn't get decent numbers in the suburbs?
> There seemed to be good press from New York on the CMA
> Awards - I know this is a "dead horse" arguement to some,
> but it still seems like somehow, if it can work in
> Philadelphia (where they said country would never come back
> when there was no station for 6 months in 1983-84) it could
> happen again with a station willing to make a commitment!
>
I remember something Philly natives Hall and Oates said in an interview years ago, it has stuck with me all this time. They said NY and Philadelphia may be close physically, but culturally they are a million miles away.
As good as WXTU is doing, I still doubt country could pull more than a 2 share in heavily ethnic NYC.
> In the latest Trends out today, 92.5 WXTU in Philadelphia
> broke into the top 3 in 12+, the highest ranking ever for a
> country station in that town! Same as 92.5 WWYZ in
> Waterbury-Hartford. And # 1 in Allentown & Albany. There
> are transplanted New Yorkers all over those places, and
> people who commute daily to New York. Are all the
> surrounding markets really that much different that a
> country station couldn't get decent numbers in the suburbs?
> There seemed to be good press from New York on the CMA
> Awards - I know this is a "dead horse" arguement to some,
> but it still seems like somehow, if it can work in
> Philadelphia (where they said country would never come back
> when there was no station for 6 months in 1983-84) it could
> happen again with a station willing to make a commitment!
>
Here is a good thing to read from R&R <a target="_blank" href=http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2005_11_16/topstory.asp>http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2005_11_16/topstory.asp</a>
it tells how Country stations have been growing in ratings since 1990.
> broke into the top 3 in 12+, the highest ranking ever for a
> country station in that town! Same as 92.5 WWYZ in
> Waterbury-Hartford. And # 1 in Allentown & Albany. There
> are transplanted New Yorkers all over those places, and
> people who commute daily to New York. Are all the
> surrounding markets really that much different that a
> country station couldn't get decent numbers in the suburbs?
> There seemed to be good press from New York on the CMA
> Awards - I know this is a "dead horse" arguement to some,
> but it still seems like somehow, if it can work in
> Philadelphia (where they said country would never come back
> when there was no station for 6 months in 1983-84) it could
> happen again with a station willing to make a commitment!
>
Here is a good thing to read from R&R <a target="_blank" href=http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2005_11_16/topstory.asp>http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2005_11_16/topstory.asp</a>
it tells how Country stations have been growing in ratings since 1990.
in my opinion its all about the advertising which equals $ = format hence ehy jack fm and wplj still exist
too bad theres no OZfm
oh wait there is... dammit!
> > In the latest Trends out today, 92.5 WXTU in Philadelphia
> > broke into the top 3 in 12+, the highest ranking ever for
> a
> > country station in that town! Same as 92.5 WWYZ in
> > Waterbury-Hartford. And # 1 in Allentown & Albany. There
>
> > are transplanted New Yorkers all over those places, and
> > people who commute daily to New York. Are all the
> > surrounding markets really that much different that a
> > country station couldn't get decent numbers in the
> suburbs?
> > There seemed to be good press from New York on the CMA
> > Awards - I know this is a "dead horse" arguement to some,
> > but it still seems like somehow, if it can work in
> > Philadelphia (where they said country would never come
> back
> > when there was no station for 6 months in 1983-84) it
> could
> > happen again with a station willing to make a commitment!
> >
> Keep those stations out there , We dont need country drunks
> station in New York . We love Hip Hop drunks Stations . We
> dont ride bulls here , We ride big Hip Hop B--tty here .
> County Music awards Show in New York is so Dumb . Whats next
> ! Hip Hop Awards in Iceland ? Honky Tonk Badonkadonk song
> get no love here . Thank GOD !
>
too bad theres no OZfm
oh wait there is... dammit!
> > In the latest Trends out today, 92.5 WXTU in Philadelphia
> > broke into the top 3 in 12+, the highest ranking ever for
> a
> > country station in that town! Same as 92.5 WWYZ in
> > Waterbury-Hartford. And # 1 in Allentown & Albany. There
>
> > are transplanted New Yorkers all over those places, and
> > people who commute daily to New York. Are all the
> > surrounding markets really that much different that a
> > country station couldn't get decent numbers in the
> suburbs?
> > There seemed to be good press from New York on the CMA
> > Awards - I know this is a "dead horse" arguement to some,
> > but it still seems like somehow, if it can work in
> > Philadelphia (where they said country would never come
> back
> > when there was no station for 6 months in 1983-84) it
> could
> > happen again with a station willing to make a commitment!
> >
> Keep those stations out there , We dont need country drunks
> station in New York . We love Hip Hop drunks Stations . We
> dont ride bulls here , We ride big Hip Hop B--tty here .
> County Music awards Show in New York is so Dumb . Whats next
> ! Hip Hop Awards in Iceland ? Honky Tonk Badonkadonk song
> get no love here . Thank GOD !
>
R
radiochickpa
Guest
> Keep those stations out there , We dont need country drunks
> station in New York . We love Hip Hop drunks Stations . We
> dont ride bulls here , We ride big Hip Hop B--tty here .
> County Music awards Show in New York is so Dumb . Whats next
> ! Hip Hop Awards in Iceland ? Honky Tonk Badonkadonk song
> get no love here . Thank GOD !
>
Let me tell you a little bit about Country Music. It's got some fun songs that people like to blow off steam to,but it's mostly about everyday life.
We've got love songs (universal topic), songs about working to get ahead in life....songs about the basics that most people go through. And yes, that includes cheating. In case you didn't know, alot of people cheat!!
To put it simply, it's a universal message format!! Some of it sounds like rock, some twangy. Our demo is mostly the "Mom" who takes her kids to soccer,etc., works, shops and tries to provide a good family life. About 2/3
have husbands (who tend to listen to rock or something similar).
Who spends most of the money in middle class America? She does.
> station in New York . We love Hip Hop drunks Stations . We
> dont ride bulls here , We ride big Hip Hop B--tty here .
> County Music awards Show in New York is so Dumb . Whats next
> ! Hip Hop Awards in Iceland ? Honky Tonk Badonkadonk song
> get no love here . Thank GOD !
>
Let me tell you a little bit about Country Music. It's got some fun songs that people like to blow off steam to,but it's mostly about everyday life.
We've got love songs (universal topic), songs about working to get ahead in life....songs about the basics that most people go through. And yes, that includes cheating. In case you didn't know, alot of people cheat!!
To put it simply, it's a universal message format!! Some of it sounds like rock, some twangy. Our demo is mostly the "Mom" who takes her kids to soccer,etc., works, shops and tries to provide a good family life. About 2/3
have husbands (who tend to listen to rock or something similar).
Who spends most of the money in middle class America? She does.
> Let me tell you a little bit about Country Music. It's got
> some fun songs that people like to blow off steam to,but
> it's mostly about everyday life.
> We've got love songs (universal topic), songs about working
> to get ahead in life....songs about the basics that most
> people go through. And yes, that includes cheating. In case
> you didn't know, alot of people cheat!!
> To put it simply, it's a universal message format!! Some of
> it sounds like rock, some twangy. Our demo is mostly the
> "Mom" who takes her kids to soccer,etc., works, shops and
> tries to provide a good family life. About 2/3
> have husbands (who tend to listen to rock or something
> similar).
> Who spends most of the money in middle class America? She
> does.
That is precisely why country will not work in NYC. NYC. is NOT middle class America.
Put country on a suburban NJ. signal and that makes sense although come to think of it they had one and that didn't work either.
With all due respect, I hear what you're saying about the "universal topics" of country music but it is clear you don't have any idea of what you're dealing with in NYC. This is just simply not that "kind" of market.
If you don't understand what I am saying you would have to reside here in New York before even beginning to understand it's demographics and mentality.
New York is NOT like the rest of the US.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
www.airamericaradio.com
</P>
> some fun songs that people like to blow off steam to,but
> it's mostly about everyday life.
> We've got love songs (universal topic), songs about working
> to get ahead in life....songs about the basics that most
> people go through. And yes, that includes cheating. In case
> you didn't know, alot of people cheat!!
> To put it simply, it's a universal message format!! Some of
> it sounds like rock, some twangy. Our demo is mostly the
> "Mom" who takes her kids to soccer,etc., works, shops and
> tries to provide a good family life. About 2/3
> have husbands (who tend to listen to rock or something
> similar).
> Who spends most of the money in middle class America? She
> does.
That is precisely why country will not work in NYC. NYC. is NOT middle class America.
Put country on a suburban NJ. signal and that makes sense although come to think of it they had one and that didn't work either.
With all due respect, I hear what you're saying about the "universal topics" of country music but it is clear you don't have any idea of what you're dealing with in NYC. This is just simply not that "kind" of market.
If you don't understand what I am saying you would have to reside here in New York before even beginning to understand it's demographics and mentality.
New York is NOT like the rest of the US.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
www.airamericaradio.com
</P>
M
Musicradio
Guest
>
> Keep those stations out there , We dont need country drunks
> station in New York . We love Hip Hop drunks Stations . We
> dont ride bulls here , We ride big Hip Hop B--tty here .
> County Music awards Show in New York is so Dumb . Whats next
> ! Hip Hop Awards in Iceland ? Honky Tonk Badonkadonk song
> get no love here . Thank GOD !
>
Such a shame that NYC, which from what I read here, is totally
and island to itself...
As far as riding bulls, you couldn't handle it anyway.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Musicradio on 11/17/05 05:16 PM.</FONT></P>
> Keep those stations out there , We dont need country drunks
> station in New York . We love Hip Hop drunks Stations . We
> dont ride bulls here , We ride big Hip Hop B--tty here .
> County Music awards Show in New York is so Dumb . Whats next
> ! Hip Hop Awards in Iceland ? Honky Tonk Badonkadonk song
> get no love here . Thank GOD !
>
Such a shame that NYC, which from what I read here, is totally
and island to itself...
As far as riding bulls, you couldn't handle it anyway.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Musicradio on 11/17/05 05:16 PM.</FONT></P>
So True...
> If you don't understand what I am saying you would have to
> reside here in New York before even beginning to understand
> it's demographics and mentality.
> New York is NOT like the rest of the US.
> >
>
So True, And they have the nerve to call Texas the Lone Star Republic!
Oh the humanity!
> If you don't understand what I am saying you would have to
> reside here in New York before even beginning to understand
> it's demographics and mentality.
> New York is NOT like the rest of the US.
> >
>
So True, And they have the nerve to call Texas the Lone Star Republic!
Oh the humanity!
R
Radio-X
Guest
Country music in NYC from a country music jock's perspective...
> > New York is NOT like the rest of the US.
You are certainly correct!
I currently work at a country station, and as much as I would enjoy seeing NYC get a country station, it just ain't gonna happen.
I would place $10 that if a station in NYC flips, it will go to rock...NOT oldies, and NOT country.
Of course, what do I know about New York...I'm a five to six-hour drive from the Mason-Dixon Line anyway...
Y'all have fun with this here discussion...
Radio-X
<P ID="signature">______________
I wasn't born in the south, but I got down here as fast as I could...
</P>
> > New York is NOT like the rest of the US.
You are certainly correct!
I currently work at a country station, and as much as I would enjoy seeing NYC get a country station, it just ain't gonna happen.
I would place $10 that if a station in NYC flips, it will go to rock...NOT oldies, and NOT country.
Of course, what do I know about New York...I'm a five to six-hour drive from the Mason-Dixon Line anyway...
Y'all have fun with this here discussion...
Radio-X
<P ID="signature">______________
I wasn't born in the south, but I got down here as fast as I could...
</P>
Re: Too Sophisticated For Country
> in my opinion its all about the advertising which equals $ =
<font face="times new roman" size="3" color="330066">
Bingo! We have a winner!
Know what's truly surprising about this thread? It reveals a lot about the prejudices and misconceptions that people have, even people in the biggest, baddest, bestest and most progressive media market in America.
I've actually enjoyed reading some of the reasons why country won't ever work in the Big Apple:
<blockquote>
only hicks listen to country.
Only the out of town rubes who know zero about NYC think the format would work.
The music sucks.
It's failed before. On AM and FM.
NYC is the most sophisticated market in America. Country ain't sophisticated.
(By the way, somebody should look up the word "sophist," the root of sophisticated.
The format is a front for southern state republican politics and the religious right.
</blockquote>
These theories are interesting because they represent exactly what NYC, being a progressive, diverse city, is not. Consider some of the air talent that made it big in NYC. Imus, love him or hate him, knocked around in California and Cleveland (twice) and scores big ratings in NYC.
Look at the NYC talent that made it big nationally. Tell me that Howard is #1 in those "hick towns" because he doesn't connect with the vast numbers of white, middle class 25-54 men who listen to him in markets outside of NYC. And by the way, where did Howard cut his chops and score big numbers before he returned to NYC? Hartford, Detroit, Washington, D.C.
Frankly, no city can match New York's energy and attitude. Yet, every city in America has a few elements in common with New York. Conversely, NYC has a few elements in common with some of the biggest bohunk cities in America. But the reasoning behind "NYC is too hip, too progressive for country" smacks of elitist tripe.
I'd suggest the reason a country format won't work in NYC is that no GM wants to take the chance and make the investment. They'd feel safer dismantling a legendary Oldies station that was unique to New York and plugging an MP3 player into the transmitter. Even this Polack from Buffalo (with some extended family and friends in Conn, LI & NJ) thinks country would be a safer bet in NYC than something like that.[/i]
>
>
> in my opinion its all about the advertising which equals $ =
<font face="times new roman" size="3" color="330066">
Bingo! We have a winner!
Know what's truly surprising about this thread? It reveals a lot about the prejudices and misconceptions that people have, even people in the biggest, baddest, bestest and most progressive media market in America.
I've actually enjoyed reading some of the reasons why country won't ever work in the Big Apple:
<blockquote>
only hicks listen to country.
Only the out of town rubes who know zero about NYC think the format would work.
The music sucks.
It's failed before. On AM and FM.
NYC is the most sophisticated market in America. Country ain't sophisticated.
(By the way, somebody should look up the word "sophist," the root of sophisticated.
The format is a front for southern state republican politics and the religious right.
</blockquote>
These theories are interesting because they represent exactly what NYC, being a progressive, diverse city, is not. Consider some of the air talent that made it big in NYC. Imus, love him or hate him, knocked around in California and Cleveland (twice) and scores big ratings in NYC.
Look at the NYC talent that made it big nationally. Tell me that Howard is #1 in those "hick towns" because he doesn't connect with the vast numbers of white, middle class 25-54 men who listen to him in markets outside of NYC. And by the way, where did Howard cut his chops and score big numbers before he returned to NYC? Hartford, Detroit, Washington, D.C.
Frankly, no city can match New York's energy and attitude. Yet, every city in America has a few elements in common with New York. Conversely, NYC has a few elements in common with some of the biggest bohunk cities in America. But the reasoning behind "NYC is too hip, too progressive for country" smacks of elitist tripe.
I'd suggest the reason a country format won't work in NYC is that no GM wants to take the chance and make the investment. They'd feel safer dismantling a legendary Oldies station that was unique to New York and plugging an MP3 player into the transmitter. Even this Polack from Buffalo (with some extended family and friends in Conn, LI & NJ) thinks country would be a safer bet in NYC than something like that.[/i]
>
>
R
RDP
Guest
Re: So True...
> > If you don't understand what I am saying you would have to
>
> > reside here in New York before even beginning to
> understand
> > it's demographics and mentality.
>
>
> > New York is NOT like the rest of the US.
> > >
> >
>
>
> So True, And they have the nerve to call Texas the Lone Star
> Republic!
> Oh the humanity!
>
I am from the south, as stated in an earlier post and detest Country music. Most of the Country singers, I know of, have a Southern accent to their voice and that is a big turn off to those who aren't from this area of the USA.
I fully understand why NYC will never have another Country radio station. The way Country presents itself and the values associated with it, will not work in a place like NYC.
I am with PuretoRicanSoul, I may not be from NYC but its time for someone to make the switch to an all Classic Hip-Hop station. Since Hip-Hop got started in NYC, it would make perfect sense for someone to do this. That type of station would have instant success, if it were to hit the airwaves.
If I were able to, I would like to send some of our Country stations, to the Big Apple, since we have too many of them on our airwaves. Most of you would advise me to keep them there in Alabama, where they belong.
RDP <><
P.S. The culture and values of the South, would shock many of you NYC readers, if you were to visit. Our values system is far much different than yours. I am glad that your city doesn't have Country on its radio. That type of music and NYC will never be able to coexist with one another. This is coming from the mouth a proud Southerner, that has no like for Country music.
> > If you don't understand what I am saying you would have to
>
> > reside here in New York before even beginning to
> understand
> > it's demographics and mentality.
>
>
> > New York is NOT like the rest of the US.
> > >
> >
>
>
> So True, And they have the nerve to call Texas the Lone Star
> Republic!
> Oh the humanity!
>
I am from the south, as stated in an earlier post and detest Country music. Most of the Country singers, I know of, have a Southern accent to their voice and that is a big turn off to those who aren't from this area of the USA.
I fully understand why NYC will never have another Country radio station. The way Country presents itself and the values associated with it, will not work in a place like NYC.
I am with PuretoRicanSoul, I may not be from NYC but its time for someone to make the switch to an all Classic Hip-Hop station. Since Hip-Hop got started in NYC, it would make perfect sense for someone to do this. That type of station would have instant success, if it were to hit the airwaves.
If I were able to, I would like to send some of our Country stations, to the Big Apple, since we have too many of them on our airwaves. Most of you would advise me to keep them there in Alabama, where they belong.
RDP <><
P.S. The culture and values of the South, would shock many of you NYC readers, if you were to visit. Our values system is far much different than yours. I am glad that your city doesn't have Country on its radio. That type of music and NYC will never be able to coexist with one another. This is coming from the mouth a proud Southerner, that has no like for Country music.
Re: So True...
> I am with PuretoRicanSoul, I may not be from NYC but its
> time for someone to make the switch to an all Classic
> Hip-Hop station. Since Hip-Hop got started in NYC, it would
> make perfect sense for someone to do this. That type of
> station would have instant success, if it were to hit the
> airwaves.
>
I agree there should be more classic Hip Hop in NY but I'm not sure a whole seperate station is necessary. Not even that, NY radio is all about the $$. With the breadth of Hip Hop stations does another one make ECONOMIC sense?
I think the more logical approach would be for someone like Hot 97 too add more classic Hip Hop to its rotation.
> I am with PuretoRicanSoul, I may not be from NYC but its
> time for someone to make the switch to an all Classic
> Hip-Hop station. Since Hip-Hop got started in NYC, it would
> make perfect sense for someone to do this. That type of
> station would have instant success, if it were to hit the
> airwaves.
>
I agree there should be more classic Hip Hop in NY but I'm not sure a whole seperate station is necessary. Not even that, NY radio is all about the $$. With the breadth of Hip Hop stations does another one make ECONOMIC sense?
I think the more logical approach would be for someone like Hot 97 too add more classic Hip Hop to its rotation.
L
LovedWLIR
Guest
Re: Too Sophisticated For Country
> > Even this Polack from Buffalo (with some
> extended family and friends in Conn, LI & NJ) thinks country
> would be a safer bet in NYC than something like that.
>
>
>
> >
> >
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I'm orignally from Buffalo too and now live in Nassau County and I am all too familiar with the prejuduced views New Yorkers have about country music and the rest of the country in general. I'm sorry but I don't think that having a radio dial full of "hip hop" and "Reggeton" are the marks of sophistication. There is much more variety on the radio dial back in Buffalo than in the #1 end all be all temple of civilization known as New York City. I was exposed to wide variety of music growing up in Buffalo (Rock, Jazz,classical, hip-hop, Jazz and yes country), while I find that many New Yorker's musical tastes are rather narrow and ethnically focused, not broadly sophisticated. This lack of sophistication goes beyond country music, I think it is insane that I cannot listen to music the music I like (WLIR style Alternative) on the radio in the biggest market in the country! While I can go to Buffalo (and we know how much you New Yorkers like to put down and belittle Buffalo) and listen to a much wider variety of formats.
Could Country work in NYC? Yes if it focused on the suburbs like WPLJ and Q-104. Forget about the city though, they think they're too "cool" (shall I urban provencialism)to consider anything outside what they consider to be the norm.
> > Even this Polack from Buffalo (with some
> extended family and friends in Conn, LI & NJ) thinks country
> would be a safer bet in NYC than something like that.
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I'm orignally from Buffalo too and now live in Nassau County and I am all too familiar with the prejuduced views New Yorkers have about country music and the rest of the country in general. I'm sorry but I don't think that having a radio dial full of "hip hop" and "Reggeton" are the marks of sophistication. There is much more variety on the radio dial back in Buffalo than in the #1 end all be all temple of civilization known as New York City. I was exposed to wide variety of music growing up in Buffalo (Rock, Jazz,classical, hip-hop, Jazz and yes country), while I find that many New Yorker's musical tastes are rather narrow and ethnically focused, not broadly sophisticated. This lack of sophistication goes beyond country music, I think it is insane that I cannot listen to music the music I like (WLIR style Alternative) on the radio in the biggest market in the country! While I can go to Buffalo (and we know how much you New Yorkers like to put down and belittle Buffalo) and listen to a much wider variety of formats.
Could Country work in NYC? Yes if it focused on the suburbs like WPLJ and Q-104. Forget about the city though, they think they're too "cool" (shall I urban provencialism)to consider anything outside what they consider to be the norm.
Re: Too Sophisticated For Country
while I
> find that many New Yorker's musical tastes are rather narrow
> and ethnically focused, not broadly sophisticated.
Which is why Jack-FM doesn't work in NYC. Bring on the country, people will listen.
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while I
> find that many New Yorker's musical tastes are rather narrow
> and ethnically focused, not broadly sophisticated.
Which is why Jack-FM doesn't work in NYC. Bring on the country, people will listen.
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And a pocket full of gold.
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Re: Too Sophisticated For Country
> while I
> > find that many New Yorker's musical tastes are rather
> narrow
> > and ethnically focused, not broadly sophisticated.
>
> Which is why Jack-FM doesn't work in NYC. Bring on the
> country, people will listen.
>
>
>
I agree that Jack-FM in its current form is not a good fit for NYC. I've heard other "Jack" like formats in other cities and they don't play as much 80's hair metal and 70's cheese rock as the NYC Jack. I would like it if they did Jack as a with more of an 80's and 90's Modern AC lean to it with absolutely no 70's. More Erasure and Depeche Mode less Bon Jovi and Poison. Same for WPLJ, my wife is in their taget demo (32 year old women in the suburbs)and used to listen all the time but now doesn;t because she hates listening to Kansas, Steve Miller Band and other 70's groups that were popular before we were even in elementary school. Infinity and ABC obviously have no idea what people in their target demos like and its showing in the ratings.
> while I
> > find that many New Yorker's musical tastes are rather
> narrow
> > and ethnically focused, not broadly sophisticated.
>
> Which is why Jack-FM doesn't work in NYC. Bring on the
> country, people will listen.
>
>
>
I agree that Jack-FM in its current form is not a good fit for NYC. I've heard other "Jack" like formats in other cities and they don't play as much 80's hair metal and 70's cheese rock as the NYC Jack. I would like it if they did Jack as a with more of an 80's and 90's Modern AC lean to it with absolutely no 70's. More Erasure and Depeche Mode less Bon Jovi and Poison. Same for WPLJ, my wife is in their taget demo (32 year old women in the suburbs)and used to listen all the time but now doesn;t because she hates listening to Kansas, Steve Miller Band and other 70's groups that were popular before we were even in elementary school. Infinity and ABC obviously have no idea what people in their target demos like and its showing in the ratings.
> in my opinion its all about the advertising which equals $ =
> format hence ehy jack fm and wplj still exist
Really? is that what it's all about? why didnt any of us think of that?.
this from the genius who wanted the FCC to approave all format changes? for completely convoluted reasons?.
> format hence ehy jack fm and wplj still exist
Really? is that what it's all about? why didnt any of us think of that?.
this from the genius who wanted the FCC to approave all format changes? for completely convoluted reasons?.
Re: Too Sophisticated For Country
> while I
> > find that many New Yorker's musical tastes are rather
> narrow
> > and ethnically focused, not broadly sophisticated.
>
> Which is why Jack-FM doesn't work in NYC. Bring on the
> country, people will listen.
>
> Jacko
Yea..bring in country and people will listen. Yet again another out of towner claiming to understand what New York wants to listen to.
You don't understand the NYC. demographics to make a statement as such.
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> while I
> > find that many New Yorker's musical tastes are rather
> narrow
> > and ethnically focused, not broadly sophisticated.
>
> Which is why Jack-FM doesn't work in NYC. Bring on the
> country, people will listen.
>
> Jacko
Yea..bring in country and people will listen. Yet again another out of towner claiming to understand what New York wants to listen to.
You don't understand the NYC. demographics to make a statement as such.
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