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News from north of the border.

Scott, that is partially true. First could potentially pull out of Covington before licensing there, but the "new new" community of license would need to have a larger population than Covington, and would need to have no stations currently licensed to it. The Dalles doesn't fit that bill, nor would any community near The Dalles. So in effect, unless some other station were willing to relicense to Covington, 104.5 is "stuck" in the Seattle metro.

Activation of the allotment at Moro is dependent on KMCQ finally implementing its move, but the Moro allotment itself is a done deal.
 
The interesting gamble First is playing, (as any gamble would be I suppose), is they run the risk of having one division of the commission play totally by-the-book, and yank the CP due to expiration, or as Bryant infers the commission could look the other way until engineering gets around to reviewing the latest ammendment. My personal experience has run both ways.. I've had lawyers come back after meeting with commission staff and claim; "Oh no problem, they won't adhere to the deadline." Then I get a call from Roy Stewart alerting me that the CP is about to be removed from the database if not constructed in time. Remember though, the expiration date on the original CP is rarely extended because of an amendment filing.

In this case, if the commission runs by-the-book, and the CP expires, then I agree the allocation remains in Covington. That would mean the Covington station allocation would go away wouldn't it? That would suck if First spent all this dinero and have nothing, then someone else could jump on the Covington allocation and work through the process. But based on some of their other pending "move-in" applications pending elsewhere, First must feel it's worth the risk.
 
Didn't a few people a few months ago say that they had heard KMCQ testing? I believe they said they were in the vicinity of Enumclaw and that they heard KMIH being rebroadcast. Either that is what I remember or it was a bad dream.
 
Kelly said:
That would mean the Covington station allocation would go away wouldn't it? That would suck if First spent all this dinero and have nothing, then someone else could jump on the Covington allocation and work through the process. But based on some of their other pending "move-in" applications pending elsewhere, First must feel it's worth the risk.
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Sorry, I meant to say "The Dalles allocation would go away", that being in the event the CP expired for builidng out the Covington station.

Regarding the question from BurntoutRadio... I believe it was determined that the station being heard on 104.5 was from another station elsewhere, and not testing of KMCQ.
 
The expiration date of the modification is the same as the original CP. On the other hand, weren't they already transmitting from the new site awhile back? I thought KMIH was using it to simulcast.
 
I don't know, everything to date with this deal is total hearsay. All I can rely on for information is whats on the FCC database.

To the best of my knowledge, and via the engineering telegraph, nothing has been done yet. Someone in the thread claimed a high price for a ERI antenna, (I assume panel), was specified for the Enumclaw site, but who knows. Even an expensive multi-station Jampro Spiral as with Ratelco, or a ERI panel doesn't approach the cost someone quoted here. I put little weight in anything, including the supposed previous testing. One thing is for sure, they haven't filed a form 302 yet.
 
LITTLEBOYBLUE said:
BurntOutRadio said:
... they heard KMIH being rebroadcast. Either that is what I remember or it was a bad dream.
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I don't think those two are mutually exclusive!
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Actually, BurntOutRadio is right!

From what i understand KMIH provided Programming during the KMCQ signal testing...
Of course that was only during the two week test period exclusivly at night.
 
BurntOutRadio said:
Actually, BurntOutRadio is right!

From what i understand KMIH provided Programming during the KMCQ signal testing...
Of course that was only during the two week test period exclusivly at night.
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I second that...

From what I heard, the first night KMCQ powered up from Radio Hill for signal testing, some KMIH listeners' called in with complaints, wondering why they we're hearing The Beatles, Eric Clapton, Todd Rundgren, Grand Funk Railroad, etc..., instead of Andre 3000, R. Kelly, Usher, Kanye West, and their type of music on the 104.5 frequency (I take it maybe in some areas, it became a cool mix of both transmitters being heard at the same time).   A quick negotiation between Nick DeVogel at KMIH and the engineers at KMCQ, allowed KMCQ to continue testing at night, by feeding KMIH's programming to KMCQ's Radio Hill site (with the KMCQ hourly ID thrown in), provided that KMIH would shut down their transmitter during KMCQ's testing hours.  As a side effect, KMIH got some nighttime bonus coverage for a short time, into places where their signal wouldn't normally be heard.

There were also some spotty reports of KDUX's and KAFE's signals getting squished on by KMCQ, in areas of the region they don't even serve anyway.  Probably Olympia for KDUX, and North Seattle or south Snohomish County for KAFE.

Now with KMIH down at 88.9FM, should KMCQ want to test again, they can bring back their automated, commercial-free, sometimes broken-up, Classic Hits format they used on their first night of testing, without complaints.
 
Stephen said:
Now with KMIH down at 88.9FM, should KMCQ want to test again, they can bring back their automated, commercial-free, sometimes broken-up, Classic Hits format they used on their first night of testing, without complaints.
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KMIH is still full time at 104.5

KMCQ is juss takin there time i guess... if i were them and had a license and a site, i would get SOMETHING on the air
instead of losing money doing absolutly nothing.
 
Yes, Stephen and Burntoutradio's account is accurate. Heard the engineers had a field day trying to listen to rap from the KMIH CD during the testing. Sorry Kelly about the ERI. I looked at the FCC database and First B amended their app to call for a Shively 6810 4-bay at Cougar Mtn. As for the cost to operate at Enumclaw, yes, I threw out a figure to include all of the physical plant, fixtures, new tower, engineering fees and thousands of gallons of deisel to operate 24/7 for one year. Maybe I was a little high. Maybe not. Radio nuts get a little excited sometimes. :p
 
LOL... I'm still trying to imagine what KMCQ's music and KMIH's music would have sounded like both together in some areas, when KMCQ powered up their transmitter on their first night of testing, going against KMIH's signal.  A mess of both "Classic Hits" and "Rap music" colliding together...lol.   I did hear that KMIH is broadcasting full-time at 88.9 now, but they might have needed to stay at 104.5 for the duration of their license and to get listeners transitioned to the new frequency (can't tell, since I live in Kent, outside of KMIH's listening range).

If KMCQ we're to go on air from Radio Hill in the long run, now that the 104.1 allocation as gone to Vancouver, BC... Hopefully First Broacasting can use the money originally meant for moving to Cogar Mountain, to pay PSE to get power lines up to the Radio Hill site (on poles or underground), so KMCQ (and other operators) can operate fully from there.  Yea it sucks not having a full signal to Seattle, but getting Grade-A service to South King County, Tacoma, and Olympia, is better than nothing.  First Broadcasting should take this, and the money they could get, instead of walking out with nothing.  And if Clear Channel were to buy the station, it would still somwhat give them some increased coverage for Funky Monkey.  Although with the 104.5 allocation vs. a 104.9 allocation.  Centralia already has a 104.7 operation, hence creating another mess, because at the same time in the Portland market, there's a 105.1 frequency.  So with this, I think the 104.9 allocation would end up being dead and unusable, except maybe for an LPFM operation within Eatonville.... Boy, the FCC really made a mess here...
 
Stephen said:
Centralia already has a 104.7 operation, hence creating another mess, because at the same time in the Portland market, there's a 105.1 frequency. 
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I need to correct my mistake... The Centralia operation is actually on 104.3 (KMNT).  But as is, I think with any new 104.5 operation out of Covington/Enumclaw, I think the operations out of Centralira and Portland, would still create problems with any new 104.9 operation out of Eatonvile.  It still looks like the Eatonville 104.9 allocation has been put into jeproady.
 
I wouldn't say KMCQ is doing "nothing" to make money. After a brief period, they returned to the air in The Dalles and(I believe)remain so.
 
Okay so let me see if I have this correctly; First has constructed the the Enumclaw site per the original CP, did some testing, but went back on the air in The Dalles. So am I to assume that they are going to wait till the eleventh hour before the CP expires and bring Enumclaw on-line, file the 302, then shut off the Dalles?

I suppose that if there isn't adequate utility power on that hill, then running generator for prime power would be an expensive play with diesel approaching $5.00 a gallon. So let's see... even without highway taxes, assuming $4.25 a gallon X 8 gallons per hour equals $34 per hour, X 24 hours equals $816, X 7 days would be $5,712 per week, X 4 weeks would be $22,848 per month. Wow, that is an expensive way to run a Covington-licensed radio station! Okay now multiply that by 12 would equal an annual utility cost of $274,176 per year. And that wouldn't include scheduled maintenance and rebuilding of the generators. Whew!
 
Kelly said:
Okay so let me see if I have this correctly; First has constructed the the Enumclaw site per the original CP, did some testing, but went back on the air in The Dalles. So am I to assume that they are going to wait till the eleventh hour before the CP expires and bring Enumclaw on-line, file the 302, then shut off the Dalles?

I suppose that if there isn't adequate utility power on that hill, then running generator for prime power would be an expensive play with diesel approaching $5.00 a gallon. So let's see... even without highway taxes, assuming $4.25 a gallon X 8 gallons per hour equals $34 per hour, X 24 hours equals $816, X 7 days would be $5,712 per week, X 4 weeks would be $22,848 per month. Wow, that is an expensive way to run a Covington-licensed radio station! Okay now multiply that by 12 would equal an annual utility cost of $274,176 per year. And that wouldn't include scheduled maintenance and rebuilding of the generators. Whew!
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But it all sounds REALLY cool to say it's going to happen like that. ::)
 
Kelly said:
I suppose that if there isn't adequate utility power on that hill, then running generator for prime power would be an expensive play with diesel approaching $5.00 a gallon.  So let's see... even without highway taxes, assuming $4.25 a gallon X 8 gallons per hour equals $34 per hour, X 24 hours equals $816, X 7 days would be $5,712 per week, X 4 weeks would be $22,848 per month.  Wow, that is an expensive way to run a Covington-licensed radio station!  Okay now multiply that by 12 would equal an annual utility cost of $274,176 per year.  And that wouldn't include scheduled maintenance and rebuilding of the generators.  Whew!   
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Couldn't KMCQ's current owners use the money meant for going to Cougar, since that seems dead now, to pay Puget Sound Energy to feed some power up to Radio Hill, either underground or up on poles?  Seems like a good idea to me, and would benefit not only KMCQ's seemingly future operation up there, but also the HAM radio operations up there as well, or even future move-ins that get stuck up on that mountain.  And I think that would be alot cheaper than any current or near-future expenses required to run a generator up there 24/7.   $274,176 on a generator I think could be better spent toward a more permanent, and less costly, solution for that site.  And just down the hill, there's a Weyerhauser plant with power going to it, so it shouldn't be too much trouble or money, for PSE to run power from that area to Radio Hill.
 
this is only PARTIALLY tongue-in-cheek...but I wonder how much a project like that runs the risk of having the copper lines yanked up as soon as they get planted by all the meth-heads selling that stuff. I have been watching a building demolition the last couple weeks...and I notice the crew is very careful to put copper in a safe place they take away from the job site every night. I'd love to see a setup where we nail some of these guys...strap 'em in a chair with a nice ground screw...and force them to hold on to the copper cable for about 30 minutes with enough juice to be painful but not lethal.

But then, it would only probably do enough brain damage to force them to vote Republican.
 
Any new information regarding KAFE application for 104.1?

I think they should work out with CTRC moving 104.1 CHRR Vancouer to 104.3 and move 104.3 KAFE to 104.1.

Canada allows 3rd ajacent channels while US don't so technically 104.1 can move to 104.3 without any interference with 104.9 CKCL-FM2.
 
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