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News/Talk on FM

If anyone doubts a news/talk format could work on a major FM signal, take a look at the spring ratings for WIBC in Indianapolis.

There is, however, a huge difference between what WIBC did and what WGST would be doing. WIBC took a well-established and high-rated station and moved it intact to FM. It would be like WSB-AM moving to a major FM signal.

WGST would have an uphill climb, but over time, who knows? Aside from Limbaugh, they would need a stronger lineup to start.

And if anyone was going to post that The Morning Mess also did well in Indianapolis, I'm beating you to it.
 
RoddyFreeman said:
And if anyone was going to post that The Morning Mess also did well in Indianapolis, I'm beating you to it.

I had that line picked out by sentence two.

How does this affect Kate McCarthy?
 
I've always thought WGST's decision to pull its programming off the FM dial was a huge mistake. It is almost as though CC just doesn't give a hoot what happens to that station. Could they do better on FM? Absolutely. Could they do as well as SB? Not gonna happen. The biggest mistake is to do nothing and go down with the sinking ship.
 
fussbudget said:
I've always thought WGST's decision to pull its programming off the FM dial was a huge mistake. It is almost as though CC just doesn't give a hoot what happens to that station. Could they do better on FM? Absolutely. Could they do as well as SB? Not gonna happen. The biggest mistake is to do nothing and go down with the sinking ship.

WGST has beaten WSB in the past (e.g., when they switched to all news, and then when they switched to news/talk) and could do so again. To do that, though, they would have to discover the next big thing in AM radio and enjoy the ride until WSB catches back up.

WGST could always be a respectable #2 instead of mailing it in.
 
To get a true picture of how moving News/Talk from AM to FM has worked, you need to take the ratings of the FM prior to the change and then the ratings of the AM prior to going on FM and see what the totals look like. In Phoenix where KTAR moved to FM, the AM frequency went sports which created a new revenue stream stronger than the AM doing News/Talk and the FM it replaced, I suppose. However, if you watch the total ratings when this has happened, there seems to be a boost at first then the ratings drop back down to near where the AM was prior to going to FM. Phoenix, WTOP in Washington....WWL in New Orleans is lower now than when they were only on AM. Jacksonville, Florida, WOKV.....WHIO in Dayton seems to be still doing much better. This is simply an observation about total ratings. I haven't seem the demo breakdown but I would guess the FM might draw younger listeners but when all is said and done, it comes to the bottom line. Are the operations more profitable now than they were before? If the answer is no, then no format is going to last forever and no programming or jobs are safe.

Other than WWL, most of these markets had challenged AM coverage, especially at night and pre-sunrise times, unlike WSB which has coverage as good as most FMs in the market, day and night.

When you have an AM doing well, ratings wise, image wise, profit wise, why just throw it away so you can be on FM? It's a waste of an asset.

News Talk appeals to an older demo. It's a proven fact that as people age, they become more interested in things like taxes, what local governments are doing, etc., schools, etc. If an AM is providing that information to the market place and has a listenable signal, and is sold well, it should do well. All of the AMs I am familiar which do well have one thing in common, legacy, and operators which understood it's as much about preservation of that success as anything.

Probably the worst thing to happen to WGST was the FM station which always subsidized its expensive news operation faced new competition for sales and listeners. WGST has been an FM supported AM station. WPCH, Peach, printed money when it was beautiful music and soft AC, with very little overhead. That kept WGST going. And before that, WGST was state owned. I doubt it was an aggressively sold and programmed station then either. To me WGST's best days were when it was on 920 and did all news all the time and had WPCH running automation from a closet down the hall from the AM newsroom. That was back in the days prior to cable TV, internet, google, etc. where you can get your news and information instantly.

The market changed and by the time this was obvious, other programming options, sports probably being the best chance to make money, were already taken, twice by WCNN and WQXI.



jabba17 said:
fussbudget said:
I've always thought WGST's decision to pull its programming off the FM dial was a huge mistake. It is almost as though CC just doesn't give a hoot what happens to that station. Could they do better on FM? Absolutely. Could they do as well as SB? Not gonna happen. The biggest mistake is to do nothing and go down with the sinking ship.

WGST has beaten WSB in the past (e.g., when they switched to all news, and then when they switched to news/talk) and could do so again. To do that, though, they would have to discover the next big thing in AM radio and enjoy the ride until WSB catches back up.

WGST could always be a respectable #2 instead of mailing it in.
 
The biggest thing I see stymieing sports on any AM signal in ATL (except You Know Who) is a poor night signal. Most pro sports, college hoops, and increasingly college football are on at night. WGST has a poor night signal, and QXI and WCNN have directional nulls where a lot of their market lies (NE and NW, especially so for WCNN). This also goes for news/talk during PM drive (and, increasingly, AM drive) in the winter.

WSB has the top-rated talk schedule and UGA sports. WGST has the Braves, and have to supplement it with a 100k FM signal. Dave has the Falcons on FM exclusively. Zone has Tech sports, Hawks, and the Thrashers.

Tech is flirting with taking their entire sports schedule to WREK, which will instantly give them much better night coverage (more so once they finish their 100k upgrade) with a small decline in day coverage (possibly not after the upgrade), although this may just be a bluff in the GTAA's current negotiations with ISP. They also have night coverage to the NW on WTSH FM, and used to have it on Lake 102 before they became La Raza.

When Tech was on WCNN, they simulcasted on 104.7 when Ring Radio/Midwestern/Dickey owned both, before they sold the FM to Salem. When Tech was on WGST (the second time), they simulcasted on 105.7.

I wouldn't expect WSB to move to FM, period. They have no need to. WGST, OTOH, needs that night signal to be competitive in carrying games and even be competitive in AM and PM drive.

How about this for an idea: Since many AC stations aim to a "listen while you work" market and do poorly in the evenings, instead of using an entire FM signal, why not run AC during the day and simulcast the AM at night? CC could bring Peach back from 8-5 or 9-5 (longer during the summer) and then flip to WGST after dark. Some people might prefer an all-music Peach from 8-until over S&V for late AM drive. Heck, just voicetrack the dang thing.

Come to think of it--how about some other possibilities: Salem could do the same thing with WGKA and The Fish (although Fish has a morning show with a dedicated following). Zone, OTOH, wouldn't work on 94.1 because of CHR's strength in the evenings. How would this affect Q100? Poorly, if Dickey/Cumulus did the same thing with 680 and 99.7.

Of course, none of this will make chicken salad out of a chicken scratch programming schedule.
 
I know I'm nuts, but I think Cox should move WSB to 97.1. Do a COL swap with 97.1 and 98.5. Simulcast for a year or so, emphasizing the new FM signal. Then sell off 750 to Clear Channel or whoever has the most to offer. Then Cox would have a big established/heritage FM news/talk station and wouldn't have to deal with the maintenance cost of a monster AM.

I'm really interested in reading about how bad y'all think this idea is.
 
The beauty of clears is, the maintenance ain't all that great. One tower, no phasor, no monitor points. The power bill is about the bite... and currently big AM transistor radios do real well on conversion efficiency. I suspect the one they're using (Harris DX 50 series) will do 80% conversion in the real world.
The problem I see in legacy AMs is, once they slip, they never seem to recover. The upside, for talk formats anyway, is they tolerate a lot more units per hour. Count the units on 98.5, then on 750 for the same hour of the day. A legacy AM talker has alot in common with a printing press cranking out Benjamins. If I was Cox,m I wouldn't tough it as long as it keeps on keepin' on.
 
poledo said:
I know I'm nuts, but I think Cox should move WSB to 97.1. Do a COL swap with 97.1 and 98.5. Simulcast for a year or so, emphasizing the new FM signal. Then sell off 750 to Clear Channel or whoever has the most to offer. Then Cox would have a big established/heritage FM news/talk station and wouldn't have to deal with the maintenance cost of a monster AM.

I'm really interested in reading about how bad y'all think this idea is.

Cox won't be the first to move a news/talk station to FM. But they won't be the third, either.

Cox has made mucho dinero copying what WGST pioneers, and kicking WGST's butt with it.
 
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