The latest application is in for the Manhattan translator on 106.3 that's been silent. The new application proposes staying on 106.3, but changing the community to Long Island City (Queens) and running 40 watts from 44 meters, on what I think is an apartment building at 40th and Skillman Ave. W292DV will no longer be retransmitting WLTW, but now will be retransmitting WVIP.
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Next move for W292DV, 106.3 Translator
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Apparently Clear Channel has lost interest in a translator in New York for WLTW HD2. So that may indicate that its country format will remain. They had dropped it for a while last year when they had tried to rebroadcast the HD2 from a translator, which was shut down after a few days on the air.
It is not clear to me why WVIP is seeking a translator that if approved, would evidently boost their signal mainly in the Long Island City area. WVIP 93.5 broadcasts mostly programs aimed at people from the West Indies. Are there enough folks of Caribbean background in that neighborhood to warrant a translator?
WVIP also had an HD2 broadcasting Music of Your Life. I doubt there is a huge demand for standards/soft pop in Long Island City. The HD3 plays country music. Ditto on the likely lack of demand in Long Island City.
I am concerned that if the translator is approved, it could provide some interference in southern Westchester County to the brand new country music signal from WFAF on 106.3.
It is not clear to me why WVIP is seeking a translator that if approved, would evidently boost their signal mainly in the Long Island City area. WVIP 93.5 broadcasts mostly programs aimed at people from the West Indies. Are there enough folks of Caribbean background in that neighborhood to warrant a translator?
WVIP also had an HD2 broadcasting Music of Your Life. I doubt there is a huge demand for standards/soft pop in Long Island City. The HD3 plays country music. Ditto on the likely lack of demand in Long Island City.
I am concerned that if the translator is approved, it could provide some interference in southern Westchester County to the brand new country music signal from WFAF on 106.3.
I think they lost interest not in a translator for their HD-2, but at 44 watts at 44 meters. That's a far cry from 99 watts off the top of 4 Times Square.
Most likely, since it's a fill-in, WVIP will pay the owner for carrying their signal. Perhaps they'll air one of their HD stations.
Most likely, since it's a fill-in, WVIP will pay the owner for carrying their signal. Perhaps they'll air one of their HD stations.
Perhaps submitting this revised application to the F.C.C. for a relatively tiny signal is an acknowledgement that the spectrum in NYC is probably too crowded for a translator that would reach a significant chunk of the city. And apparently Clear Channel has given up on the idea of having a translator for one of their NYC HD signals within the city.
I still am puzzled why WVIP would be interested in this limited signal boost which would primarily reach western Queens, and a tiny slice of eastern Manhattan. I do not think there are a very large amount of West Indian people in that area, and WVIP's main signal has mostly Caribbean programming.
I still am puzzled why WVIP would be interested in this limited signal boost which would primarily reach western Queens, and a tiny slice of eastern Manhattan. I do not think there are a very large amount of West Indian people in that area, and WVIP's main signal has mostly Caribbean programming.
RadioInsight has a brief article about the amended translator application.
It states that if the F.C.C. approves it, the translator would provide "City grade coverage over the bulk of Manhattan."
So perhaps WVIP hopes to reach the core of the city with a rebroadcast of one of their 3 HD subchannels on this translator.
I hope this would not interfere significantly with the country music broadcasts on 106.3 from WKMK, and WDVY (formerly WFAF).
RadioInsight: http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/55965/translator-report-35/#.T1U_o4f3rY8
Proposed Translator Coverage, From F.C.C. Application: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS...?appn=101489009&qnum=5160©num=1&exhcnum=5
It states that if the F.C.C. approves it, the translator would provide "City grade coverage over the bulk of Manhattan."
So perhaps WVIP hopes to reach the core of the city with a rebroadcast of one of their 3 HD subchannels on this translator.
I hope this would not interfere significantly with the country music broadcasts on 106.3 from WKMK, and WDVY (formerly WFAF).
RadioInsight: http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/55965/translator-report-35/#.T1U_o4f3rY8
Proposed Translator Coverage, From F.C.C. Application: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS...?appn=101489009&qnum=5160©num=1&exhcnum=5
It was briefly discussed on this board about a year ago.ansky212 said:Looking at that map, does anyone know what the Midland Park, NJ station is?
Apparently, back in 2003 the NJ Public Broadcasting Authority applied for a 10 watt translator to rebroadcast 450 watt WNJP 88.5, in Sussex. WNJP was transferred last summer, along with some other public radio stations in NJ, to WNYC. It is unclear whether the new owners are still interested in moving forward with that application, or if it will ever be approved.
I believe there was a filing window in 2003, and the F.C.C. received a boatload of translator applications that year, many of which may still be pending.
Nick said:I think Press won't allow anything on 106.3. They have listeners in Manhattan who will complain about interference. Thunder can be heard in lower Manhattan and Staten Island, and could be heard well in Brooklyn if it weren't for the pirates.
from my understanding the brunt of complaints against the 106.3 translator in the past were from northern NJ where the translator interfered significantly with WKMK.
If their new application is approved their signal from Queens would unlikely cause any interference to WDVY/WKMK and WBLI in their intended listening area.
I doubt there are enough, if any, WKMK listeners in Wall Street to complain about the increased interference on 106.3 especially since WKMK's signal is spotty there to begin with.
Staten Island and the Bronx is another story but with the reduced power of the translator and lower height it is doubtful it will cause any interference.
Furthermore neither WKMK or WDVY are technically New York stations so I fail to see how they would have any say over an area they don't serve.
Jeffrey said:Furthermore neither WKMK or WDVY are technically New York stations so I fail to see how they would have any say over an area they don't serve.
But what exactly does "serve" mean? Even if there is just 1 listener in Manhattan or SI, then aren't they technically serving listeners in those areas? I listen to WKMK every day and I've heard them mention listeners calling in from Staten Island. Last night they were running a promo and they mentioned Manhattan and Staten Island as areas they cover (Monmouth, Ocean, Union, and Somerset Counties were the other areas they mentioned).
According to my experience over the past few days, WDVY 106.3's country music programming can be heard in much of the Bronx, where it has a weak but listenable signal. According to the chart submitted with the application (linked below) for the W292DV translator, the edge of its signal may also reach a considerable chunk of that borough.Jeffrey said:Nick said:I think Press won't allow anything on 106.3. They have listeners in Manhattan who will complain about interference. Thunder can be heard in lower Manhattan and Staten Island, and could be heard well in Brooklyn if it weren't for the pirates.
from my understanding the brunt of complaints against the 106.3 translator in the past were from northern NJ where the translator interfered significantly with WKMK.
If their new application is approved their signal from Queens would unlikely cause any interference to WDVY/WKMK and WBLI in their intended listening area.
I doubt there are enough, if any, WKMK listeners in Wall Street to complain about the increased interference on 106.3 especially since WKMK's signal is spotty there to begin with.
Staten Island and the Bronx is another story but with the reduced power of the translator and lower height it is doubtful it will cause any interference.
Furthermore neither WKMK or WDVY are technically New York stations so I fail to see how they would have any say over an area they don't serve.
If it does cause interference in that area, there is a basis for complaints.
According to the F.C.C. rules, a translator can be expected to shut down, even if the station interfered with is from outside the area. Translators do not have the same rights regarding interference as conventional FM stations.
Recently a translator in Detroit that was broadcasting smooth jazz was shut down due to interference complaints from a few fans of a rock station located in Toledo Ohio, about 50 miles away. They were accustomed to hearing the rock station as they drove into the Detroit area. The owners of the translator tried very hard to return it to the air, but the F.C.C. essentially decided that the rules are the rules.
Coverage map: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS...?appn=101489009&qnum=5160©num=1&exhcnum=5
ansky212 said:Jeffrey said:Furthermore neither WKMK or WDVY are technically New York stations so I fail to see how they would have any say over an area they don't serve.
But what exactly does "serve" mean? Even if there is just 1 listener in Manhattan or SI, then aren't they technically serving listeners in those areas? I listen to WKMK every day and I've heard them mention listeners calling in from Staten Island. Last night they were running a promo and they mentioned Manhattan and Staten Island as areas they cover (Monmouth, Ocean, Union, and Somerset Counties were the other areas they mentioned).
I know WKMK tries very hard to be New York's country station but WKMK serving Manhattan is not reality. Maybe if you're standing near the Staten Island ferry terminal you can hear it but it's spotty and unlistenable in most of Manhattan. I agree it does cover Staten Island quite well and if there are listeners there they certainly have the right to hear it without interference from a translator but I don't think it would have any affect there based on the contours I see on the map.
Barry said:According to my experience over the past few days, WDVY 106.3's country music programming can be heard in much of the Bronx, where it has a weak but listenable signal. According to the chart submitted with the application (linked below) for the W292DV translator, the edge of its signal may also reach a considerable chunk of that borough.Jeffrey said:Nick said:I think Press won't allow anything on 106.3. They have listeners in Manhattan who will complain about interference. Thunder can be heard in lower Manhattan and Staten Island, and could be heard well in Brooklyn if it weren't for the pirates.
from my understanding the brunt of complaints against the 106.3 translator in the past were from northern NJ where the translator interfered significantly with WKMK.
If their new application is approved their signal from Queens would unlikely cause any interference to WDVY/WKMK and WBLI in their intended listening area.
I doubt there are enough, if any, WKMK listeners in Wall Street to complain about the increased interference on 106.3 especially since WKMK's signal is spotty there to begin with.
Staten Island and the Bronx is another story but with the reduced power of the translator and lower height it is doubtful it will cause any interference.
Furthermore neither WKMK or WDVY are technically New York stations so I fail to see how they would have any say over an area they don't serve.
If it does cause interference in that area, there is a basis for complaints.
According to the F.C.C. rules, a translator can be expected to shut down, even if the station interfered with is from outside the area. Translators do not have the same rights regarding interference as conventional FM stations.
Recently a translator in Detroit that was broadcasting smooth jazz was shut down due to interference complaints from a few fans of a rock station located in Toledo Ohio, about 50 miles away. They were accustomed to hearing the rock station as they drove into the Detroit area. The owners of the translator tried very hard to return it to the air, but the F.C.C. essentially decided that the rules are the rules.
Coverage map: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS...?appn=101489009&qnum=5160©num=1&exhcnum=5
The Detroit translator was shut down due to complaints from only 13 listeners. The translator owner tried to appease those 13 listeners by giving them smartphones with the iHeartRadio app, but the FCC didn't think that was good.
Nick said:The Detroit translator was shut down due to complaints from only 13 listeners. The translator owner tried to appease those 13 listeners by giving them smartphones with the iHeartRadio app, but the FCC didn't think that was good.
You have to admit it's pretty silly for them to offer people smartphones. Were they also going to pay the $30/month data plan for the lifetime of these smartphones too?
ansky212 said:Nick said:The Detroit translator was shut down due to complaints from only 13 listeners. The translator owner tried to appease those 13 listeners by giving them smartphones with the iHeartRadio app, but the FCC didn't think that was good.
You have to admit it's pretty silly for them to offer people smartphones. Were they also going to pay the $30/month data plan for the lifetime of these smartphones too?
From what I read they offered to pay for the phone and its two year contract. That would cost about $12000, which is a far smaller cost than moving to another frequency or going off the air.
If the FCC allowed that, I'd be begging WPRB to pay for my iPhone data plan (including 20 GB of data per month because I should theoretically be streaming KTU 24/7) because its IBUZ interferes with KTU and I'm within KTU's protected contour.
I'm wondering who the listeners actually complain to. I would assume the average listener wouldn't actually know to pick up the phone and call the FCC to complain. Some might call the station but then how does the FCC know the complaints are actually valid?
Also if listeners did call the FCC to complain I would think thousands would be calling the FCC to complain about all the pirates in Brooklyn and the Bronx! These stations put out alot more power than some silly 44 watt station in Queens!
Also if listeners did call the FCC to complain I would think thousands would be calling the FCC to complain about all the pirates in Brooklyn and the Bronx! These stations put out alot more power than some silly 44 watt station in Queens!
Jeffrey said:I'm wondering who the listeners actually complain to. I would assume the average listener wouldn't actually know to pick up the phone and call the FCC to complain. Some might call the station but then how does the FCC know the complaints are actually valid?
Apparently people (or someone) was calling WKMK last year to complain about the translator interference. WKMK made a big deal about it and put a link at the top of their website where people could fill out a form that gathered information for the station to send to the FCC. I never actually entered the data but it was asking for name, phone number, and address where the interference was occurring. As to how the FCC knows the complaints are valid, I'm not sure. Maybe they were contacting people that entered their information.
Kicks mentioned on the air a few days ago a fan who called in to mention he listens to WDBY/WDVY 106.3 during his daily commute from upstate to his job in the Bronx. He then continues to have it playing there on a radio at his work site.
That would be an example of someone who could lodge a valid complaint against the proposed Queens translator, if it causes interference on 106.3 in the nearby Bronx. I would not be surprised if Kicks' owner Cumulus would solicit complaints on the station website, as Press Communications did with WKMK.
That would be an example of someone who could lodge a valid complaint against the proposed Queens translator, if it causes interference on 106.3 in the nearby Bronx. I would not be surprised if Kicks' owner Cumulus would solicit complaints on the station website, as Press Communications did with WKMK.
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