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NFL on Dumont Question

With the NFL season winding down I think it would

be time to end an old myth:

CBS is considered to be the first network to air selective televise

Sunday NFL games in 1956

But where they really the first?

Didn't Dumont own those rights sometime around 1951-52 until the end

of the 1955 season.

As a matter of fact Dumont was bidding for those same rights in 1956

but lost them to CBS

Did those rights involve all or some of the teams?
 
> With the NFL season winding down I think it would be time to end an old myth:
> CBS is considered to be the first network to air selective televise Sunday NFL
> games in 1956. But where they really the first?
>
> Didn't Dumont own those rights sometime around 1951-52 until the end
> of the 1955 season.
>
> As a matter of fact Dumont was bidding for those same rights in 1956 but
> lost them to CBS.
>
> Did those rights involve all or some of the teams?

I think this is how it went:

Dumont did carry some NFL games but the rights were sold on a team-by-team basis. When they shut down most operations in late 1955, they sold the rights to those teams' games to CBS. I'd be surprised if they attempted to keep the NFL rights for the 1956 season. The last Dumont program was Boxing from St. Nicholas Arena, who's last network telecast was August 6, 1956, before football season started.

If there were teams that put their games on NBC, ABC, or independent stations, I'll guess that's where they remained through the 1961 season. The NFL didn't take over the TV rights league-wide until 1962.
 
> > With the NFL season winding down I think it would be time
> to end an old myth:
> > CBS is considered to be the first network to air selective
> televise Sunday NFL
> > games in 1956. But where they really the first?
> >
> > Didn't Dumont own those rights sometime around 1951-52
> until the end
> > of the 1955 season.
> >
> > As a matter of fact Dumont was bidding for those same
> rights in 1956 but
> > lost them to CBS.
> >
> > Did those rights involve all or some of the teams?
>
> I think this is how it went:
>
> Dumont did carry NFL games during but the rights were sold
> on a team-by-team basis. When they shut down most
> operations in late 1955, they sold the rights to those
> teams' games to CBS. I'd be surprised if they attempted to
> keep the NFL rights for the 1956 season. The last Dumont
> program was Boxing from St. Nicholas Arena, who's last
> network telecast was August 6, 1956, before football season
> started.
>
> If there were teams that put their games on NBC, ABC, or
> independent stations, I'll guess that's where they remained
> through the 1961 season. The NFL didn't take over the TV
> rights league-wide until 1962.
>

I remember hearing somewhere that the first prime time NFL telecasts (or some of the first) were Saturday night games between the Browns and Steelers. These would air on the Saturday in October when the World Series was being played, this being many years before nighttime World Series games. Anybody know how long this practice lasted, when it was (I had heard mid 50s), or what network?
 
> > > With the NFL season winding down I think it would be
> time
> > to end an old myth:
> > > CBS is considered to be the first network to air
> selective
> > televise Sunday NFL
> > > games in 1956. But where they really the first?
> > >
> > > Didn't Dumont own those rights sometime around 1951-52
> > until the end
> > > of the 1955 season.
> > >
> > > As a matter of fact Dumont was bidding for those same
> > rights in 1956 but
> > > lost them to CBS.
> > >
> > > Did those rights involve all or some of the teams?
> >
> > I think this is how it went:
> >
> > Dumont did carry NFL games during but the rights were sold
>
> > on a team-by-team basis. When they shut down most
> > operations in late 1955, they sold the rights to those
> > teams' games to CBS. I'd be surprised if they attempted
> to
> > keep the NFL rights for the 1956 season. The last Dumont
> > program was Boxing from St. Nicholas Arena, who's last
> > network telecast was August 6, 1956, before football
> season
> > started.
> >
> > If there were teams that put their games on NBC, ABC, or
> > independent stations, I'll guess that's where they
> remained
> > through the 1961 season. The NFL didn't take over the TV
> > rights league-wide until 1962.
> >
>
> I remember hearing somewhere that the first prime time NFL
> telecasts (or some of the first) were Saturday night games
> between the Browns and Steelers. These would air on the
> Saturday in October when the World Series was being played,
> this being many years before nighttime World Series games.
> Anybody know how long this practice lasted, when it was (I
> had heard mid 50s), or what network?
>
I actually brought that up to attention at this paticular board

if you click back a few pages you will find it.

The Saturday Night Package was seen on the Dumont Network between 1953 and 1954

Ironically there were a few games on Saturday Nights in 1955 that weren't on tv

but those were made before Dumont decided to leave the programming business.
 
> > > > With the NFL season winding down I think it would be
> > time
> > > to end an old myth:
> > > > CBS is considered to be the first network to air
> > selective
> > > televise Sunday NFL
> > > > games in 1956. But where they really the first?
> > > >
> > > > Didn't Dumont own those rights sometime around 1951-52
>
> > > until the end
> > > > of the 1955 season.
> > > >
to my knowledge, this is how i believe it went prior to 1956:

in 1948, abc began televising nfl football on a "game of the week" basis. games were seen only on an east coast hook-up. they continued this thru 1950.

on the west coast, the rams & 49ers televised mainly home games i think starting in 1950. attendance dropped sharply for the rams. but because of their isolation from the rest of the nfl, they had little choice.

in 1951, dumont gained the rights to most nfl teams. a notable exception was the redskins, who had a vast independent network, with rights owned by amoco oil.

in either 1952 or 1953, both chicago teams (bears and cardinals) were telecast on abc. abc also linked up the skins for a year (c.1954).

in 1955, with dumont faltering badly, cbs stepped in and began televising the rams, redskins and most other teams. dumont held on to the steelers and giants and i think the eagles at least. abc retained the rights to the chicago squads. the nfl switched its title game from dumont to nbc.

in 1956, cbs gained the rights to 11 of the 12 teams. the exception was the browns, who formed a nationwide syndicated network, sponsored by carling black label beer. the browns flagship channel was the cleveland cbs affiliate, so cbs could claim that they had all the teams, though technically they didn't. to this day the nfl fact & record book says that cbs televised "select" games, when in fact, cbs may have televised every game on the nfl schedule, except for several night games.

this held up thru 1959. abc televised two early season saturday night games, but otherwise the 1956 thru 1958 situation held firm.

in 1960 and 1961, nbc snared the rights to colts and steelers games and televised them nationally in non-nfl markets. cbs had the rights to the rest of the teams - excluding the browns (whose carling rights were reduced to a regional network) - and including the new cowboys and vikings teams. in 1961 cbs did sign a single contract with the nfl for all 14 teams, but this was struck down in a district court. i think in lieu of that the nfl gave all teams an across the board 10% increase in their individual tv rights.

in 1962, congress ok'd the single contract with one sports league concept, and cbs signed the two-year deal with the nfl, eliminating the one team one contract concept.

a little windy, but hope this answers your questions.


tb
 
> > > > > With the NFL season winding down I think it would be
>
> > > time
> > > > to end an old myth:
> > > > > CBS is considered to be the first network to air
> > > selective
> > > > televise Sunday NFL
> > > > > games in 1956. But where they really the first?
> > > > >
> > > > > Didn't Dumont own those rights sometime around
> 1951-52
> >
> > > > until the end
> > > > > of the 1955 season.
> > > > >
> to my knowledge, this is how i believe it went prior to
> 1956:
>
> in 1948, abc began televising nfl football on a "game of the
> week" basis. games were seen only on an east coast hook-up.
> they continued this thru 1950.
>
> on the west coast, the rams & 49ers televised mainly home
> games i think starting in 1950. attendance dropped sharply
> for the rams. but because of their isolation from the rest
> of the nfl, they had little choice.
>
> in 1951, dumont gained the rights to most nfl teams. a
> notable exception was the redskins, who had a vast
> independent network, with rights owned by amoco oil.
>
> in either 1952 or 1953, both chicago teams (bears and
> cardinals) were telecast on abc. abc also linked up the
> skins for a year (c.1954).
>
> in 1955, with dumont faltering badly, cbs stepped in and
> began televising the rams, redskins and most other teams.
> dumont held on to the steelers and giants and i think the
> eagles at least. abc retained the rights to the chicago
> squads. the nfl switched its title game from dumont to nbc.
>
> in 1956, cbs gained the rights to 11 of the 12 teams. the
> exception was the browns, who formed a nationwide syndicated
> network, sponsored by carling black label beer. the browns
> flagship channel was the cleveland cbs affiliate, so cbs
> could claim that they had all the teams, though technically
> they didn't. to this day the nfl fact & record book says
> that cbs televised "select" games, when in fact, cbs may
> have televised every game on the nfl schedule, except for
> several night games.
>
> this held up thru 1959. abc televised two early season
> saturday night games, but otherwise the 1956 thru 1958
> situation held firm.
>
> in 1960 and 1961, nbc snared the rights to colts and
> steelers games and televised them nationally in non-nfl
> markets. cbs had the rights to the rest of the teams -
> excluding the browns (whose carling rights were reduced to a
> regional network) - and including the new cowboys and
> vikings teams. in 1961 cbs did sign a single contract with
> the nfl for all 14 teams, but this was struck down in a
> district court. i think in lieu of that the nfl gave all
> teams an across the board 10% increase in their individual
> tv rights.
>
> in 1962, congress ok'd the single contract with one sports
> league concept, and cbs signed the two-year deal with the
> nfl, eliminating the one team one contract concept.
>
> a little windy, but hope this answers your questions.
>
>
> tb
>
It does Thank You
 
Re: Early Network Coverage Of The NFL

I thought I read somewhere that KNBH-4 Los Angeles (now KNBC) had the L.A. Rams circa 1950.

Until September of 1951, California was not hooked-up to the "national" AT&T coaxial cable/microeave television network facilities. Prior to that, there was a microwave system connecting San Francisco, Los Angeles, and San Diego.

Thus, the Rams and the San Francisco 49ers had to televise home games because they really had no choice. Had each team decided to broadcast only away games in 1950, just one game of each team could have been televised live (the Rams' game in San Francisco on October 1st and the Niners' game in L.A. on November 5th, according to Shrp sports.com), given that California was not yet connected to the national network lines.

I had thought that DuMont continued to carry the Giants, Washington, and Pittsburgh through 1955.

Didn't the Cleveland Browns/WJW-8/Carling network begin before CBS had major involvement with the NFL?? With WJW a CBS affiliate, the station may have eventually agreed to distribute Browns' games regionally on CBS.

I wonder whether teams who had "independent" networks reaching lots of cities (Washington for a time in the early 1950's and Cleveland for many years) televised home games in the home city. Both teams' networks were probably so vast that their regions (and in Cleveland's case, nationally for a time) extended hundreds of miles from the teams' home cities. This might have allowed the teams to cover home games, and although blacked out in the team's home city, would have been televised across the rest of the network's "footprint".
 
Re: Early Network Coverage Of The NFL

joe,

if i may, i'll try to address as best as i know:


> I thought I read somewhere that KNBH-4 Los Angeles (now
> KNBC) had the L.A. Rams circa 1950.

i think that is correct, i'll have to double check that.

>
> Until September of 1951, California was not hooked-up to the
> "national" AT&T coaxial cable/microeave television network
> facilities. Prior to that, there was a microwave system
> connecting San Francisco, Los Angeles, and San Diego.
>
> Thus, the Rams and the San Francisco 49ers had to televise
> home games because they really had no choice. Had each team
> decided to broadcast only away games in 1950, just one game
> of each team could have been televised live (the Rams' game
> in San Francisco on October 1st and the Niners' game in L.A.
> on November 5th, according to Shrp sports.com), given that
> California was not yet connected to the national network
> lines.

that is true. i think both the rams and niners in 1951 experimented with road telecasts. for sure the rams blacked out home telecasts in 51 after the attendance drop. by 1953 most nfl teams had adopted blackout policies. i think the nfl blacked out its championship games starting in 51, and all playoff games were blacked out locally, regardless of sell-out situation thru 1972.
>
> I had thought that DuMont continued to carry the Giants,
> Washington, and Pittsburgh through 1955.

for sure, the redskins had wtop, the cbs affiliate, do their away games in 1955. for sure, the steelers were on dumont in 55 and i think the giants as well and the eagles (wfil was listed in the inquirer in 1955 as an abc/dumont affiliate).
>
> Didn't the Cleveland Browns/WJW-8/Carling network begin
> before CBS had major involvement with the NFL?? With WJW a
> CBS affiliate, the station may have eventually agreed to
> distribute Browns' games regionally on CBS.

i believe you may be right. in fact, in the mid-50's the browns had TWO networks circa 1954-1955. the carling network, which ken coleman was the pxp announcer and a regional cbs network with bob wolff (pxp)and curly morrison (color). as best as i can relate, in 1956, the carling network was national and the cbs network was dropped, but there were cbs affiliates that dotted the browns/carling landscape, including the wjw in cleveland itself. it stayed like this in 57 and 58. by 1959 (and thru 1961), the national end of the browns network was dropped, and became strictly regional in nature. the cbs browns affiliates then formed a bit of a "co-op" with the cbs lions network, where if the browns were home, they would link up with the cbs lions games (not 100% certain of this, but i believe this is probable). the production of the browns network was handled by sni, the forerunner of the hughes sports network.
>
> I wonder whether teams who had "independent" networks
> reaching lots of cities (Washington for a time in the early
> 1950's and Cleveland for many years) televised home games in
> the home city. Both teams' networks were probably so vast
> that their regions (and in Cleveland's case, nationally for
> a time) extended hundreds of miles from the teams' home
> cities. This might have allowed the teams to cover home
> games, and although blacked out in the team's home city,
> would have been televised across the rest of the network's
> "footprint".

the redskins network even into the cbs years, had the entire south to themselves until the falcons joined the nfl in 1966. the bears and cardinals had a massive network that reached the mountain time zone, texas and much of the upper midwest until the cowboys cut into that in 1960, and the cardinals portioned out some of that turf when they moved to st. louis in 1960, and the upper midwest and much of the u.s. northen tier (the dakotas, montana) went to the vikings when came in the nfl in 1961.

in terms of home blackouts, it looks like 1952 and 1953 were the big years when the home market blackouts were gaining speed. i think each team had a semblance of blackout rules in effect by 1956, and then in 1956 the nfl standard blackout 75 mile radius rule came into being.

hope this clarifies the situation a little bit, and this is the best of my knowledge and understanding of the situation.

tb
 
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