NFL Secondary Market(s) of Redskins.

[dxtrfn]

I'm guessing Baltimore for the Redskins. Is Richmond, Roanoke and Norfolk considered secondary markets by the NFL? Could those cities ask for a switch to another game if the Redskins are struggling or do they have to carry the Redskins every time the game is available? Would the North Carolina stations have to carry the Redskins if the Panthers aren't playing or playing a primetime game?

 

[ShawnHill1]

I'm guessing Baltimore for the Redskins. Is Richmond, Roanoke and Norfolk considered secondary markets by the NFL? Could those cities ask for a switch to another game if the Redskins are struggling or do they have to carry the Redskins every time the game is available? Would the North Carolina stations have to carry the Redskins if the Panthers aren't playing or playing a primetime game?

Usually those outer markets be could be switched to another game if the game become uncompetitive. I'm not sure those have to carry Redskins games, and it's the network (and not the individual station) that makes the choice on what games are seem in your local area (barring that you don't live in a NFL city already), and it's usually the game that they think best meets the geograhpical interest in your area. Although Baltimore and Washington are seperate TV markets, they can be considered one single NFL market because their home stadiums are only 30 miles apart, and both cities would effected by the NFL blackout rules if neither doesn't sell out a home game (and both the Ravens and Skins sell out regularly). And you notice that the Redskins and Ravens never compete against each other on TV on Sunday afternoons.

The blackout rule is within the 75-mile radius of the home team stadium, and both the Baltimore-Washington areas combined cover a good 75 to 80-mile radius. Here in Los Angeles, we're considered part of the Chargers TV market, even San Diego and Los Angeles are 125 miles away from each other. However, since the average signal range of any of the major L.A. TV stations cover at least a 80-mile radius, it falls within the range of the San Diego market and of the home team stadium.

 

[bpatrick]

Norfolk, Richmond, and Roanoke would be considered
primary markets for both the Skins and the Ravens. Here
in North Carolina, the CBS affiliates routinely show the Ravens,
while the Fox stations will show the Skins if there's no conflict
with the Panthers (this was Redskins country before the Panthers).

Now I have a question: I can understand why Lexington, KY would
get the Bengals, being only 78 miles from Cincinnati. But why does
Louisville get the Bengals instead of either the Colts or Titans?
Louisville is closer to Indianapolis (about 100 miles) than to Cincinnati
(about 125 miles) and WLKY's signal overlaps WTVF's, which puts at
least part of the market closer to the Titans than either of the other
two teams.

 

[bhayes1016]

Now I have a question: I can understand why Lexington, KY would
get the Bengals, being only 78 miles from Cincinnati. But why does
Louisville get the Bengals instead of either the Colts or Titans?
Louisville is closer to Indianapolis (about 100 miles) than to Cincinnati
(about 125 miles) and WLKY's signal overlaps WTVF's, which puts at
least part of the market closer to the Titans than either of the other
two teams.

Probably tradition, since the Bengals have been around longer (in the same city) than Indy or Tennessee.

 

[chuckydoll]

The Redskins' "secondary markets"

Those "secondary markets" are Charlottesville, Hampton Roads, Harrisonburg, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, and Salisbury.

Also, Baltimore is a "quasi-secondary market"; it will get the Redskins game depending on where and when the Ravens play. Since the Ravens are on the road this week Fox45/WBFF will air Redskins-Texans as the front end of the Fox doubleheader.

 

[KML0224]

Obviously, Providence (RI)/New Bedford (MA) is a secondary market for the New England Patriots. Stranger still is that Foxborough, MA lies closer to Providence than Boston. In fact, go one town south from Foxborough on I-95 and you're in Mansfield, MA, which is Bristol County, MA, the home county of New Bedford, therefore, the Providence/New Bedford market.

Also, what about Hartford/New Haven (CT)? The southern and western edges of our market are within the 75 mile radius of East Rutherford, NJ, home to Giants Stadium.

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

I'm guessing Baltimore for the Redskins.

And Washington D.C. is secondary for the Ravens as well. I cite the WUSA 9 online programming grid as my source. Just pick Sunday and then select 4:00 PM as the time slot. Look what's on at that time.

Would the North Carolina stations have to carry the Redskins if the Panthers aren't playing or playing a primetime game?

I doubt it. They'd probably get an Atlanta Falcons game instead (unless Carolina and Atlanta were playing each other in said primetime game or were both idle).

Cheers

Pat

 

[EnbyCee]

Now I have a question: I can understand why Lexington, KY would
get the Bengals, being only 78 miles from Cincinnati. But why does
Louisville get the Bengals instead of either the Colts or Titans?
Louisville is closer to Indianapolis (about 100 miles) than to Cincinnati
(about 125 miles) and WLKY's signal overlaps WTVF's, which puts at
least part of the market closer to the Titans than either of the other
two teams.

Probably tradition, since the Bengals have been around longer (in the same city) than Indy or Tennessee.

It also helps that the Bengals are a good team now. I wonder if Louisville was getting Bengals games over Colts games a couple of years ago when the Colts were great and the Bengals were putrid. There would seem to be a sizeable Colts fan base in Louisville anyway, with 50,000 watt WHAS being a Colts radio affiliate.

If a market has fan bases for two or more teams, the local station will often carry whichever team is doing better at the time. I know the CBS affiliate in Columbus was carrying the Browns mostly early last season, but later in the year switched to the Bengals when the Browns' season was toast and the Bengals were in a playoff drive.

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

The blackout rule is within the 75-mile radius of the home team stadium, and both the Baltimore-Washington areas combined cover a good 75 to 80-mile radius. Here in Los Angeles, we're considered part of the Chargers TV market, even San Diego and Los Angeles are 125 miles away from each other. However, since the average signal range of any of the major L.A. TV stations cover at least a 80-mile radius, it falls within the range of the San Diego market and of the home team stadium.

Except that Los Angeles isn't an NFL city. So in reality, the blackout rules wouldn't really apply regardless of how well the LA stations are received in SD.

 

[bpatrick]

Would the North Carolina stations have to carry the Redskins if the Panthers aren't playing or playing a primetime game?

I doubt it. They'd probably get an Atlanta Falcons game instead (unless Carolina and Atlanta were playing each other in said primetime game or were both idle).

Cheers

Pat

If the Falcons and Panthers, both in the NFC South, were in a battle
for first place, then the odds are good that North Carolina would see
the Falcons. But ordinarily, if the Panthers weren't on, North Carolina
would see the Redskins because they're the fans' second choice down
here.

Side note: When CBS had the NFC, and before the Panthers, all of
North Carolina except Asheville and the rest of WSPA's coverage area,
nearly always got the Skins; WSPA, being in Spartanburg, SC, nearly
always carried the Falcons.

 

[ixnay]

Speaking of North Carolina being 'Skins country... isn't Joe Gibbs a Tarheel State native?

As for secondary markets, I remember reading on R-I last season where Roanoke/Lynchburg got the Falcons every week (at least on Fox) because Michael Vick went to Virginia Tech. Whether Roa/Lyn got the Falcons when there wasn't a 'Skins conflict, I don't remember (there isn't one tomorrow). Speaking of Salisbury (Maryland, I assume), http://www.gribblenation.net/nflmaps/03-FOX-L.gif shows that market as getting Eagles-Niners tomorrow.

ixnay

 

[ShawnHill1]

Hi everyone:

The blackout rule is within the 75-mile radius of the home team stadium, and both the Baltimore-Washington areas combined cover a good 75 to 80-mile radius. Here in Los Angeles, we're considered part of the Chargers TV market, even San Diego and Los Angeles are 125 miles away from each other. However, since the average signal range of any of the major L.A. TV stations cover at least a 80-mile radius, it falls within the range of the San Diego market and of the home team stadium.

Except that Los Angeles isn't an NFL city. So in reality, the blackout rules wouldn't really apply regardless of how well the LA stations are received in SD.

True...to a certain point. Again, since Los Angeles and San Diego are neighboring markets, it's all about the signal range within the 75-mile radius of the home stadium. However, in a twist, if the Chargers don't sell out their home games, KCBS in L.A. simply replaces the game with another in that same slot, while KFMB in San Diego only gets the early game. It's basically to say, you plan on watching a non-sold out Chargers game on KCBS, you can forget it. Usually, KCBS carries the Chargers and Raiders (in that order of preference), and if one or both don't play on Sunday mornings/afternoons, then we get the best game(s) of the day. An example would be yesterday's Cincinnati-Pittsburgh game, while Fox had the doubleheader this week (locally, Chicago-Minnesota and Giants-Seattle), and both the Raiders and Chargers we're off this week. Whenever the Chargers play on Fox (which is only once or twice a year), KTTV always show them up here (barring if they sold out the game at home).

 

[ShawnHill1]

From GribbleNation.net, here's an explanation on how the blackouts rules work and how the secondary markets are determined.

http://www.gribblenation.net/nflmaps/

Scroll halfway down the page

Also, from DirecTV's Sunday Ticket info...

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=900046

Basically, this all backs up what I explained eariler.