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NHL Moving To OLN; Thursday/Saturday NFL Next?

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Joseph_Gallant

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There are numerous published reports (Article From The New York Times; Registration May Be Required) (Article From The Sporting News) announcing that ESPN has turned down their opportunity to match OLN's offer to the National Hockey League for U.S. national cable television rights.

This means that OLN will carry the NHL beginning this Fall.

Various published reports have suggested that OLN's regular-season coverage would be mostly on Monday and Tuesday nights (nights when traditionally, there aren't that many NHL games--especially the former) as well as extensive midweek coverage of early playoff rounds, midweek games of the conference finals (weekend afternoon games would be shown on NBC) and games 1 and 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals (games 3 through 7 would air on NBC).

Although it's been claimed in other news articles that there will be a formal announcement of the NHL/OLN deal as early as today (August 18th), given the late date of the announcement, I wonder how many games might be shown during the early part of the upcoming season. It will take some time to get production teams put together and announcers hired. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the OLN NHL games over the first two months of the season are Philadelphia, Washington and Chicago games simulcast from sister company Comcast Sportsnets in those cities.

My guess is that the opening game of The NHL On OLN will be Wednesday, October 5th and will feature New Jersey hosting Pittsburgh in what will be the first NHL game for heavily-hyped Pittsburgh Penguins' rookie Sidney Crosby, the most publicized NHL rookie since Bobby Orr in 1966 (and the most publicized rookie in any of the "big four" professional team sports since Kareem Abdul Jabbar joiend the Milwaukee Bucks in 1969).

Now that OLN has the NHL, don't be surprised if OLN also wins the Thursday/Saturday late-season NFL cable package that will begin in 2006. And if there is an OLN/NFL partnership, look for an announcement on that to come in the very near future---weeks instead of months.

I think OLN parent Comcast will end up making a bid for the Thursday/Saturday NFL package that no one will be able to match.

In retrospect, turning down the chance to match OLN's offer for the NHL may come back to haunt ESPN, because it opened the way for the arrival of a full-fledged competing national cable sports network. Had ESPN paid-up, it probably would have stopped OLN's dreams of being a true rival to ESPN for the Thursday/Saturday NFL cable package would undoubtdely have also gone to ESPN.

The question really was: Overpay for the NHL and prevent the emergence of a full and equal (in time) competitor on the national cable spirts scene?? Or let the NHL walk, knowing that it would set the stage for the network the NHL signed with to then make an "eye-popping" offer for the Thursday/Saturday NFL package??
 
> There are numerous published reports (Article From The New
> York Times; Registration May Be Required) (Article From The
> Sporting News) announcing that ESPN has turned down their
> opportunity to match OLN's offer to the National Hockey
> League for U.S. national cable television rights.
>
> This means that OLN will carry the NHL beginning this Fall.
>
> Various published reports have suggested that OLN's
> regular-season coverage would be mostly on Monday and
> Tuesday nights (nights when traditionally, there aren't that
> many NHL games--especially the former) as well as extensive
> midweek coverage of early playoff rounds, midweek games of
> the conference finals (weekend afternoon games would be
> shown on NBC) and games 1 and 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals
> (games 3 through 7 would air on NBC).
>
> Although it's been claimed in other news articles that there
> will be a formal announcement of the NHL/OLN deal as early
> as today (August 18th), given the late date of the
> announcement, I wonder how many games might be shown during
> the early part of the upcoming season. It will take some
> time to get production teams put together and announcers
> hired. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the OLN NHL games
> over the first two months of the season are Philadelphia,
> Washington and Chicago games simulcast from sister company
> Comcast Sportsnets in those cities.
>
> My guess is that the opening game of The NHL On OLN will be
> Wednesday, October 5th and will feature New Jersey hosting
> Pittsburgh in what will be the first NHL game for
> heavily-hyped Pittsburgh Penguins' rookie Sidney Crosby, the
> most publicized NHL rookie since Bobby Orr in 1966 (and the
> most publicized rookie in any of the "big four" professional
> team sports since Kareem Abdul Jabbar joiend the Milwaukee
> Bucks in 1969).
>
> Now that OLN has the NHL, don't be surprised if OLN also
> wins the Thursday/Saturday late-season NFL cable package
> that will begin in 2006. And if there is an OLN/NFL
> partnership, look for an announcement on that to come in the
> very near future---weeks instead of months.
>
> I think OLN parent Comcast will end up making a bid for the
> Thursday/Saturday NFL package that no one will be able to
> match.
>
> In retrospect, turning down the chance to match OLN's offer
> for the NHL may come back to haunt ESPN, because it opened
> the way for the arrival of a full-fledged competing national
> cable sports network. Had ESPN paid-up, it probably would
> have stopped OLN's dreams of being a true rival to ESPN for
> the Thursday/Saturday NFL cable package would undoubtdely
> have also gone to ESPN.
>
> The question really was: Overpay for the NHL and prevent the
> emergence of a full and equal (in time) competitor on the
> national cable spirts scene?? Or let the NHL walk, knowing
> that it would set the stage for the network the NHL signed
> with to then make an "eye-popping" offer for the
> Thursday/Saturday NFL package??

ESPN made the right decision. There is no guarantee the NHL will do well on OLN. And just because it landed the NHL doesn't mean they are a lock to land the Thursday/Saturday NFL package. Then again, I could be wrong. But I think you're jumping to conclusions. Just my opinion.

Oh, and on a side note: The Outdoor Life Network is carrying an indoor sport? Yeah, that's logical.
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by karaokelegend on 08/18/05 07:00 AM.</FONT></P>
 
>
> ESPN made the right decision. There is no guarantee the NHL
> will do well on OLN. And just because it landed the NHL
> doesn't mean they are a lock to land the Thursday/Saturday
> NFL package. Then again, I could be wrong. But I think
> you're jumping to conclusions. Just my opinion.


ESPN made the right decision to not overpay. NHL made the wrong
decision to take the money and run. NHL will do even worse on OLN
than it did on ESPN. But then again, NHL was looking for extra
revenue and it got it. NHL is a regional league so RSN's are its
bread and butter anyway, and not the national cable web as ESPN
ratings have proved all these years.

While everyone is propping Thursday/Saturday NFL package as a boost
for NHL on OLN, it's only starts after Thanksgiving when college
football season fades out so it's not like OLN will have full
NFL season to promote hockey. Plus, the three networks will be allowed
to cherry-pick the best match-ups during those last six weeks so OLN may
be ending up with crappy ones.

> Oh, and on a side note: The Outdoor Life Network is carrying
> an indoor sport? Yeah, that's logical.
> >

Hockey started out outdoors. That's the connection, I guess.
 
>
> Oh, and on a side note: The Outdoor Life Network is carrying
> an indoor sport? Yeah, that's logical.
> >
>
According to Comcast, the emphasis of the network won't be exclusively on what the letters stood for in the past.

Similar with KFC abandoning its Kentucky Fried association, and TLC, TNN and the other number of cable networks that have little to do with what the letters once stood for.
 
Thursday/Saturday NFL

With the NFL Thursday and Saturday package brought up in this topic which might happen in 2006. It would be a smart idea if the NFL put it on the NFL Network. That way it would get cable companies a reason to add The NFL Network if they don't already. This would also help the NFL.
 
Re: Thursday/Saturday NFL

> With the NFL Thursday and Saturday package brought up in
> this topic which might happen in 2006. It would be a smart
> idea if the NFL put it on the NFL Network. That way it would
> get cable companies a reason to add The NFL Network if they
> don't already. This would also help the NFL.
>
The NFL won't do it as long as they can get mega $$$ out of existing major networks. It would cost money to put it on The NFL Network right now. Perhaps in 5-10 years, but not at this moment.
 
The problem with OLN

I think you average view has no idea where OLN is on their "dial", since its mainly one of those garbage channels like HGTV et. al.
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Re: The problem with OLN

> I think you average view has no idea where OLN is on their
> "dial", since its mainly one of those garbage channels like
> HGTV et. al.
>

Yep, except for fishing on the weekends, what's the point. It would have been funny if LOGO would have matched OLN's top offer!!!

But seriously, look to OLN to become Comcast's ESPN. A national hub for all their local nets. The name will probably change and maybe they will go into business with FSN, which is trying to do the same nationally, to go up against the mouse.

Mark my words on the Comcast thing. Who knows if they haven't already planned on the rebranding before the season starts. Or possibly January 1, 2006 for some bowl games. Or at the latest for next NHL/NFL season.
 
> >
> > Oh, and on a side note: The Outdoor Life Network is
> carrying
> > an indoor sport? Yeah, that's logical.
> > >
> >
> According to Comcast, the emphasis of the network won't be
> exclusively on what the letters stood for in the past.
>
> Similar with KFC abandoning its Kentucky Fried association,
> and TLC, TNN and the other number of cable networks that
> have little to do with what the letters once stood for.
>
Or ESPN, as in entertainment and sports programming network....
 
> There are numerous published reports (Article From The New
> York Times; Registration May Be Required) (Article From The
> Sporting News) announcing that ESPN has turned down their
> opportunity to match OLN's offer to the National Hockey
> League for U.S. national cable television rights.
>
> This means that OLN will carry the NHL beginning this Fall.
>
> Various published reports have suggested that OLN's
> regular-season coverage would be mostly on Monday and
> Tuesday nights (nights when traditionally, there aren't that
> many NHL games--especially the former) as well as extensive
> midweek coverage of early playoff rounds, midweek games of
> the conference finals (weekend afternoon games would be
> shown on NBC) and games 1 and 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals
> (games 3 through 7 would air on NBC).
>
> Although it's been claimed in other news articles that there
> will be a formal announcement of the NHL/OLN deal as early
> as today (August 18th), given the late date of the
> announcement, I wonder how many games might be shown during
> the early part of the upcoming season. It will take some
> time to get production teams put together and announcers
> hired. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the OLN NHL games
> over the first two months of the season are Philadelphia,
> Washington and Chicago games simulcast from sister company
> Comcast Sportsnets in those cities.
>
> My guess is that the opening game of The NHL On OLN will be
> Wednesday, October 5th and will feature New Jersey hosting
> Pittsburgh in what will be the first NHL game for
> heavily-hyped Pittsburgh Penguins' rookie Sidney Crosby, the
> most publicized NHL rookie since Bobby Orr in 1966 (and the
> most publicized rookie in any of the "big four" professional
> team sports since Kareem Abdul Jabbar joiend the Milwaukee
> Bucks in 1969).
>
> Now that OLN has the NHL, don't be surprised if OLN also
> wins the Thursday/Saturday late-season NFL cable package
> that will begin in 2006. And if there is an OLN/NFL
> partnership, look for an announcement on that to come in the
> very near future---weeks instead of months.
>
> I think OLN parent Comcast will end up making a bid for the
> Thursday/Saturday NFL package that no one will be able to
> match.
>
> In retrospect, turning down the chance to match OLN's offer
> for the NHL may come back to haunt ESPN, because it opened
> the way for the arrival of a full-fledged competing national
> cable sports network. Had ESPN paid-up, it probably would
> have stopped OLN's dreams of being a true rival to ESPN for
> the Thursday/Saturday NFL cable package would undoubtdely
> have also gone to ESPN.
>
> The question really was: Overpay for the NHL and prevent the
> emergence of a full and equal (in time) competitor on the
> national cable spirts scene?? Or let the NHL walk, knowing
> that it would set the stage for the network the NHL signed
> with to then make an "eye-popping" offer for the
> Thursday/Saturday NFL package??
>
The first match of the NHL on OLN will be on 10.05 and it will be Rangers VS. Flyers.
 
> There are numerous published reports (Article From The New
> York Times; Registration May Be Required) (Article From The
> Sporting News) announcing that ESPN has turned down their
> opportunity to match OLN's offer to the National Hockey
> League for U.S. national cable television rights.
>
> This means that OLN will carry the NHL beginning this Fall.
>
> Various published reports have suggested that OLN's
> regular-season coverage would be mostly on Monday and
> Tuesday nights (nights when traditionally, there aren't that
> many NHL games--especially the former) as well as extensive
> midweek coverage of early playoff rounds, midweek games of
> the conference finals (weekend afternoon games would be
> shown on NBC) and games 1 and 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals
> (games 3 through 7 would air on NBC).
>
> Although it's been claimed in other news articles that there
> will be a formal announcement of the NHL/OLN deal as early
> as today (August 18th), given the late date of the
> announcement, I wonder how many games might be shown during
> the early part of the upcoming season. It will take some
> time to get production teams put together and announcers
> hired. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the OLN NHL games
> over the first two months of the season are Philadelphia,
> Washington and Chicago games simulcast from sister company
> Comcast Sportsnets in those cities.
>
> My guess is that the opening game of The NHL On OLN will be
> Wednesday, October 5th and will feature New Jersey hosting
> Pittsburgh in what will be the first NHL game for
> heavily-hyped Pittsburgh Penguins' rookie Sidney Crosby, the
> most publicized NHL rookie since Bobby Orr in 1966 (and the
> most publicized rookie in any of the "big four" professional
> team sports since Kareem Abdul Jabbar joiend the Milwaukee
> Bucks in 1969).
>
> Now that OLN has the NHL, don't be surprised if OLN also
> wins the Thursday/Saturday late-season NFL cable package
> that will begin in 2006. And if there is an OLN/NFL
> partnership, look for an announcement on that to come in the
> very near future---weeks instead of months.
>
> I think OLN parent Comcast will end up making a bid for the
> Thursday/Saturday NFL package that no one will be able to
> match.
>
> In retrospect, turning down the chance to match OLN's offer
> for the NHL may come back to haunt ESPN, because it opened
> the way for the arrival of a full-fledged competing national
> cable sports network. Had ESPN paid-up, it probably would
> have stopped OLN's dreams of being a true rival to ESPN for
> the Thursday/Saturday NFL cable package would undoubtdely
> have also gone to ESPN.
>
> The question really was: Overpay for the NHL and prevent the
> emergence of a full and equal (in time) competitor on the
> national cable spirts scene?? Or let the NHL walk, knowing
> that it would set the stage for the network the NHL signed
> with to then make an "eye-popping" offer for the
> Thursday/Saturday NFL package??
>
The first match of the NHL on OLN will be on 10.05 and it will be Rangers VS. Flyers.
 
Re: NHL Moving To OLN; Thursday/Saturday NFL Next? *DELETED*

Post deleted by Joseph_Gallant
 
Bruno let us know that:

> The first match of the NHL on OLN will be on 10.05 and it
> will be Rangers VS. Flyers.

I am very surprised. And somewhat disapointed.

As I had previously stated, I fully expected OLN's first game to be New Jersey vs. Pittsburgh as to show highly-touted rookie Sidney Crosby's first NHL game.

Although I have since learned that OLN's NHL telecasts will be exclusive---meaning they cannot air on broadcast/cable channels who hold local TV rights to the teams playing in an OLN telecast---it seems to me that OLN's decision to air the New York Rangers/Philadelphia game on opening night might be due to the fact that were it not for the OLN deal, the game in Philly would have aired on Comcast Sportsnet-Philadelphia. Thus, the crew (and maybe announcers) who would have done the game for CSN Philly will likely do it for OLN.

I wouldn't be too surprised if most of the games during the early weeks of the season feature either Philadelphia, Washington, or Chicago for the same reason. Once a production team exclusive to OLN's NHL telecasts is hired, then we'd see games with different teams.
 
Thus, the crew (and maybe
> announcers) who would have done the game for CSN Philly will
> likely do it for OLN.
>
> I wouldn't be too surprised if most of the games during the
> early weeks of the season feature either Philadelphia,
> Washington, or Chicago for the same reason. Once a
> production team exclusive to OLN's NHL telecasts is hired,
> then we'd see games with different teams.
>

OLN and Comcast Sports Net are one in the same.
 
Re: Thursday/Saturday NFL

> > With the NFL Thursday and Saturday package brought up in
> > this topic which might happen in 2006. It would be a smart
>
> > idea if the NFL put it on the NFL Network. That way it
> would
> > get cable companies a reason to add The NFL Network if
> they
> > don't already. This would also help the NFL.
> >
> The NFL won't do it as long as they can get mega $$$ out of
> existing major networks. It would cost money to put it on
> The NFL Network right now. Perhaps in 5-10 years, but not at
> this moment.
>
I just can't buy off on the thought that the NFL will forsake its own cable channel to go with OLN for the Thursday /Saturday package. I get OLN's and Comcast's synergies, but has anyone else connected NFL Nets' broadcasting of live preseason games to a live in-house produced product in the near future? All of the telecasts so far have orginated from local stations in NFL cities, but I have to believe that this is one large Tagliabue-run laboratory to investigate viable options.
 
> I wouldn't be too surprised if most of the games during the
> early weeks of the season feature either Philadelphia,
> Washington, or Chicago for the same reason. Once a
> production team exclusive to OLN's NHL telecasts is hired,
> then we'd see games with different teams.
>

Their Stamford production facilities are fully staffed with some 150 people. There's no need to hire anyone 'exclsuive' to NHL. These are the same people who work Chicago/Philadelphia/Washington games amongst many other things they
produce. They can borrow the announcers from different CSN markets for the national telecasts.
 
Re: The problem with OLN

> I think you average view has no idea where OLN is on their
> "dial", since its mainly one of those garbage channels like
> HGTV et. al.

Hockey fans will make the effort to find OLN. And the "garbage channel" image is something Comcast is obviously trying to change. ESPN was something of a joke in its early days.
 
Re: Thursday/Saturday NFL

> I just can't buy off on the thought that the NFL will
> forsake its own cable channel to go with OLN for the
> Thursday /Saturday package.

The key question is: Would the NFL make more money by producing games on its own network and keeping all the ad revenue? Or do they get more $$$ through a rights deal to OLN or other channel?

There are still a lot of cable systems that don't carry NFL Network. Us Time Warner subscribers are still waiting.
 
Re: Thursday/Saturday NFL

The NFL is all about making money. They know they can get a bidding war between ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, TNT, ESPN, Comcast and others. Yes, they would get to keep all the ad revenue if they put it on The NFL Network. But they would have to lay out capital for people and equipment over and beyond what they have now. They would also have to negotiate for HD carriage, which they don't have need for at this moment. That's why I say it's 5-10 years down the road.
 
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