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Nine FM Format

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saladdressing

From the exact moment Jack was launched it seemed senseless to retain the Variety format on 92.5/7, 99.9, otherwise known as Nine FM.

Just a suggestion...

Bring back CHR/Dance!!!!<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by saladdressing on 06/25/05 01:58 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> From the exact moment Jack was launched it seemed senseless
> to retain the Variety format on 92.5/7, 99.9, otherwise
> known as Nine FM.
>
> Just a suggestion...
>
> Bring back CHR/Dance!!!!
>

Nine is WAY better then Jack in my personal opinion.

Audio Processing=Better. Say what you will but they both sound alike with Nine being a tad bit better.
Music variety=Better
Imaging=Better. Jack's imaging is good but Nine has jingles and more then just a guy saying "We play what we want" "We're the dave matthrews tour bus and the other stations are the people in the Chicago boat"
Airstaff in place. Jack will most likely always be an automated Jukebox like KRBV er KJKK Dallas

Those would be my reasons to keep Nine going.


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Re: Nine FM Format Vs. Jack

Jeremy Said:
Nine is WAY better then Jack in my personal opinion.

I couldn't agree more. I just came back from a round trip to Urbana and got to listen extensively to both stations.

Jack FM is arrogant, boring and disjointed. The in your face, screw you the listener schick (sp) is the anti Oldies 104.3 trademark. The same guy 24/7 is awful. Internet stations have more appeal.

Now. Nine with live jocks and a tone which appreciates listeners and playing the variey for us..not them.... is great!

There is a format on Nine of sorts ....an older song then new music....it was very enjoyable and it did sound better..

If Nine FM can hold on they will be sucessful..there is NO way Jack FM is appealing to anyone...but themselves..give it one year
 
Nine

Why put a dog, nothing, no-chance format on those freqs? At least NINE-FM
is different (signal-challenged as they are).

> From the exact moment Jack was launched it seemed senseless
> to retain the Variety format on 92.5/7, 99.9, otherwise
> known as Nine FM.
>
> Just a suggestion...
>
> Bring back CHR/Dance!!!!
>
 
Re: Nine

> Why put a dog, nothing, no-chance format on those freqs? At
> least NINE-FM
> is different (signal-challenged as they are).

In his defense, Energy pulled very good numbers in their demos for being as signal challenged as WKIE/WDEK/WKIF was. Remember, only reason they went Spanish is because BCR couldn't pay their loans off and had to sell.

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Re: Nine

> > Why put a dog, nothing, no-chance format on those freqs?
> At
> > least NINE-FM
> > is different (signal-challenged as they are).
>
> In his defense, Energy pulled very good numbers in their
> demos for being as signal challenged as WKIE/WDEK/WKIF was.
> Remember, only reason they went Spanish is because BCR
> couldn't pay their loans off and had to sell.
>
> -A
>

At the same time the only reason Energy was born was because CC flipped WUBT to WKSC.

How well did they do as CHR?
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Re: Nine

> At the same time the only reason Energy was born was because
> CC flipped WUBT to WKSC.
>
> How well did they do as CHR?
>

Roughly the same as energy, but slightly better during the summer. I wish I could give you a more detailed answer, but you know the rules... :-/
 
Re: Nine FM Format Vs. Jack

> Jeremy Said:
> Nine is WAY better then Jack in my personal opinion.
>
> I couldn't agree more. I just came back from a round trip to
> Urbana and got to listen extensively to both stations.
>
> Jack FM is arrogant, boring and disjointed. The in your
> face, screw you the listener schick (sp) is the anti Oldies
> 104.3 trademark. The same guy 24/7 is awful. Internet
> stations have more appeal.
>
> Now. Nine with live jocks and a tone which appreciates
> listeners and playing the variey for us..not them.... is
> great!
>
> There is a format on Nine of sorts ....an older song then
> new music....it was very enjoyable and it did sound better..
>
>
> If Nine FM can hold on they will be sucessful..there is NO
> way Jack FM is appealing to anyone...but themselves..give it
> one year
>
That's the reason I listen to Nine FM. I agree with much of what's said above. Of course these are just opinions and not facts. I gave Jack a listen a few times and overall prefer to listen to Nine FM. Nine FM has new music inserted into the playlist, which Jack doesn't play anything released this year (to my knowledge). I think they only went up to 2004 for release of songs, but not sure on that. I only wished 99.9 was heard better in Porter County. It gets too much bleedover from WHFB in Valparaiso, and just before I leave the Valparaiso city limits, the signal fades out completely. Unlike BCR whihc bailed out of every format the big corporations in Chicago put out on a city stick (except for dance which no one wanted to touch for a 24 hour format), I say Newsweb will stay in the variety hits game while Jack will likely be hitting the road, especially since it's on WJMK & not WCKG.
 
Re: Nine FM Format Vs. Jack

> > Jeremy Said:
> > Nine is WAY better then Jack in my personal opinion.
> >
> > I couldn't agree more. I just came back from a round trip
> to
> > Urbana and got to listen extensively to both stations.
> >
> > Jack FM is arrogant, boring and disjointed. The in your
> > face, screw you the listener schick (sp) is the anti
> Oldies
> > 104.3 trademark. The same guy 24/7 is awful. Internet
> > stations have more appeal.
> >
> > Now. Nine with live jocks and a tone which appreciates
> > listeners and playing the variey for us..not them.... is
> > great!
> >
> > There is a format on Nine of sorts ....an older song then
> > new music....it was very enjoyable and it did sound
> better..


since its beginning....Nine has had virtually no impact on the Chicago market...nobody listens nobody cares...weak signal....poor engineering...too much off the wall programming....there is now a 3 share of disenfranchised oldies listeners....far more than would ever be available (even with a good signal) to listen to 'nine'.....the station would get instant cache and be a player if they flipped to oldies...perhaps skewing just a bit younger than the old 'jmk but using many of their personalities....
> >
> >
> > If Nine FM can hold on they will be sucessful..there is NO
>
> > way Jack FM is appealing to anyone...but themselves..give
> it
> > one year
> >
> That's the reason I listen to Nine FM. I agree with much of
> what's said above. Of course these are just opinions and
> not facts. I gave Jack a listen a few times and overall
> prefer to listen to Nine FM. Nine FM has new music inserted
> into the playlist, which Jack doesn't play anything released
> this year (to my knowledge). I think they only went up to
> 2004 for release of songs, but not sure on that. I only
> wished 99.9 was heard better in Porter County. It gets too
> much bleedover from WHFB in Valparaiso, and just before I
> leave the Valparaiso city limits, the signal fades out
> completely. Unlike BCR whihc bailed out of every format the
> big corporations in Chicago put out on a city stick (except
> for dance which no one wanted to touch for a 24 hour
> format), I say Newsweb will stay in the variety hits game
> while Jack will likely be hitting the road, especially since
> it's on WJMK & not WCKG.
>
 
Re: Nine FM Format Vs. Jack

> since its beginning....Nine has had virtually no impact on
> the Chicago market...nobody listens nobody cares...weak
> signal....poor engineering...too much off the wall
> programming....there is now a 3 share of disenfranchised
> oldies listeners....far more than would ever be available
> (even with a good signal) to listen to 'nine'.....the
> station would get instant cache and be a player if they
> flipped to oldies...perhaps skewing just a bit younger than
> the old 'jmk but using many of their personalities....
> > >
I doubt Jack will have the same or better success as oldies did. As I said in an earlier post, there's a chance that The Drive will benefit from the demise of Oldies 104.3. As for Nine FM, there are people who don't like the way the station plays songs in the order they do. My sister is one of them. She doesn't like Jack either. She's a person that likes a consistent format and not an Ipod or MP3 like sound to to the station mixing the formats. Both Nine FM and Jack FM are love it or hate it stations, not in-between for most people. But I believe Nine FM will be around for the competition, despite the rimshots that cover the city of Chicago (WRZA & WKIE).
 
Re: Nine FM Format Vs. Jack

I have sampled both and I couldn't agree more. Jack will get old fast.
Who will want to listen to automated attitude.
Nine blows them away.

> Jeremy Said:
> Nine is WAY better then Jack in my personal opinion.
>
> I couldn't agree more. I just came back from a round trip to
> Urbana and got to listen extensively to both stations.
>
> Jack FM is arrogant, boring and disjointed. The in your
> face, screw you the listener schick (sp) is the anti Oldies
> 104.3 trademark. The same guy 24/7 is awful. Internet
> stations have more appeal.
>
> Now. Nine with live jocks and a tone which appreciates
> listeners and playing the variey for us..not them.... is
> great!
>
> There is a format on Nine of sorts ....an older song then
> new music....it was very enjoyable and it did sound better..
>
>
> If Nine FM can hold on they will be sucessful..there is NO
> way Jack FM is appealing to anyone...but themselves..give it
> one year
>
 
Re: Nine/Idea for 92.7

> At the same time the only reason Energy was born was because
> CC flipped WUBT to WKSC.

In fact, it's kind of funny that the formats of the ex-BCR signals keep getting copied by the big city stations. "Heart and Soul 103.1" was taken by 103.5 The Beat, 103.1 WXXY was taken by 94.7 The Zone, 92 Kiss FM was taken by 103.5 Kiss FM, and now 92.7 Nine FM has been taken by 104.3 Jack FM.

Hopefully Newsweb can change history and keep Nine alive, but the history of formats on 92.7 does not fall in their favor. But should Nine fail, and 92.7 go to something else, what about an AC format targetted at the North Shore suburbs?Somewhat of a full-service format with community events, high school sports, and the like. Or would there be too much competition from WLIT and Love FM? Or is the North Shore too assimilated into Chicagoland for this to work?
 
Re: Nine/Idea for 92.7

The irony Justin is that the format you are suggesting is what the local class A frequency at 92.7 was orignally setup for! WWMM, WSEX, and WCBR (previous 92.7 call letters) all were local full time community service stations with Northwest suburban sports, activities, etc. But as you suggest, the communities are probably too assimilated for that to work now!

> > At the same time the only reason Energy was born was
> because
> > CC flipped WUBT to WKSC.
>
> In fact, it's kind of funny that the formats of the ex-BCR
> signals keep getting copied by the big city stations. "Heart
> and Soul 103.1" was taken by 103.5 The Beat, 103.1 WXXY was
> taken by 94.7 The Zone, 92 Kiss FM was taken by 103.5 Kiss
> FM, and now 92.7 Nine FM has been taken by 104.3 Jack FM.
>
> Hopefully Newsweb can change history and keep Nine alive,
> but the history of formats on 92.7 does not fall in their
> favor. But should Nine fail, and 92.7 go to something else,
> what about an AC format targetted at the North Shore
> suburbs?Somewhat of a full-service format with community
> events, high school sports, and the like. Or would there be
> too much competition from WLIT and Love FM? Or is the North
> Shore too assimilated into Chicagoland for this to work?
>
 
Re: Nine/Idea for 92.7

> Hopefully Newsweb can change history and keep Nine alive,

The problem is..if any format on a suburban stick has any
momentum, the suburban stick is screwed. There's stations
downtown always looking for something new...and they've got
the signal and the budgets to put the small guy in Arlington
Heights or wherever out of whatever format they made a success.

Best thing to do is find a niche...get good at it..but don't
grow too big. And try to keep your mouth shut and
downplay your success.
 
Re: Nine/Idea for 92.7

> Best thing to do is find a niche...get good at it.

THANK YOU!

DING DING DING! Someone that understands it! I was waiting for some one with a clue to say it!

Those frequencies will NEVER be able to support an AC, or mainstream format, or format already on a big stick. Period.

No matter how bad Jack is on 104.3, it WILL win over NINE. REASON...........

You have to niche format on ZRA/KIE so the listners will sit thru the static, spotty coverage, listening online in non-coverage areas (hello NewsWeb!!!!!!!!)

Worse off, NINE had a 1 year jumpstart advantage that was absued.

You niche program a format like EZ, Mainstream Dance, Polish, Oldies, Late 70's to 80s now and evolving to 90s as the years go on. Whatever. Something that is not being heard. Something that has the least amount of chance being stolen. You superserve your audience and make them deal with the static.

NINE will have to survive by adjusting enough to NOT make people run off to not only Jack, but TMX and Q, when a bad song is on, when the signal fades to unbearable levels, has technical glitches etc..... And 2nd, NewWeb has to be commited, not to the format, but the revenue it will pull in.

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Re: Nine/Idea for 92.7

> > Best thing to do is find a niche...get good at it.
>
> THANK YOU!
>
> DING DING DING! Someone that understands it! I was waiting
> for some one with a clue to say it!
>
> Those frequencies will NEVER be able to support an AC, or
> mainstream format, or format already on a big stick. Period.
>
>
> No matter how bad Jack is on 104.3, it WILL win over NINE.
> REASON...........
>
> You have to niche format on ZRA/KIE so the listners will sit
> thru the static, spotty coverage, listening online in
> non-coverage areas (hello NewsWeb!!!!!!!!)
>
> Worse off, NINE had a 1 year jumpstart advantage that was
> absued.
>
> You niche program a format like EZ, Mainstream Dance,
> Polish, Oldies, Late 70's to 80s now and evolving to 90s as
> the years go on. Whatever. Something that is not being
> heard. Something that has the least amount of chance being
> stolen. You superserve your audience and make them deal with
> the static.
>
> NINE will have to survive by adjusting enough to NOT make
> people run off to not only Jack, but TMX and Q, when a bad
> song is on, when the signal fades to unbearable levels, has
> technical glitches etc..... And 2nd, NewWeb has to be
> commited, not to the format, but the revenue it will pull
> in.
>
> Smart business, nothing else.
>
Well, since oldies was dropped by a big stick, it would be a perfect opportunity for Newsweb to grab. I don't see any big stick going oldies with the exception of possibly The Zone since they are continuing to fall. No, they won't get a 3 share like WJMK did, but a 1.5 to 2 share isn't out of the question because while the signals have bad spots, the overall coverage isn't horrible. At least Newsweb would have a format that would consistently show up and not stay in the 0.0-0.5 range. They already have an oldies library which was used on the AM's and on Nine, so why not go for it. They could still use the localcasting with the ads and maybe they could charge more for ads with a format that gets decent ratings instead of being a blip on the radar.
 
Re: Nine/Idea for 92.7

> > Best thing to do is find a niche...get good at it.
>
> THANK YOU!
>
> DING DING DING! Someone that understands it! I was waiting
> for some one with a clue to say it!
>
> Those frequencies will NEVER be able to support an AC, or
> mainstream format, or format already on a big stick. Period.

These frequencies, yes, but that frequency, then no. Couldn't AC work on the 92.7 Arlington Heights signal if it were locally programmed, had live personalities who cared about the area. Heck, 92.7 could even do a local oldies format, if it's all about targetting your niche. There's certainly money to be made in targetting the North Shore, and the median ages of specific communities (44 in Northbrook, 42 in Glencoe, etc.) seem to be prime for an Oldies or AC format. There has to be community emphasis, and an idea of community, for this to work, though. If North Shore residents want to feel like part of Chicago, then this format's not going to fly. I'm not sure if anyone here would know of 95.9 WATD, on Boston's South Shore, but this station is all about community. In fact, the station's local owner was arrested for covering a local carjacking in a shopping mall parking lot. If the airstaff (and owner) are devoted to serving their community, and if people are willing to accept their regional presence, then I would think that this station would work.

As a trimulcast, the three signals are having an incredibly hard time targetting the city of Chicago, despite having signal deficencies in the boundries of the city. Yet the signal is fine in most suburbs surrounding the city. So, by targetting where you're listeners are listening, Nine should be able to have a better grasp on their listeners, and this would likely pay off in the advertising. At this rate, I don't see any big advertising agencies looking at Nine as a big Chicago radio power, so rather than being a failure in the city, they could become a success in the suburbs.

In fact, Nine FM could work with this too. Rather then claiming that they serve Chicago, why not have the signals claim that they do serve the suburbs. In all actuality, that's what these signals do. They could retain having different advertising on the different stations, and embrace the local advertisers. Perhaps specific remotes could be heard on specific stations. So, if Nine personalities were live at the grand opening of a Jewel-Osco in Des Plaines, only listeners on 92.7 would hear it.
 
oldies

Me thinks that oldies is now the niche format that might just
be the thing for Newsweb...ezpecially at this time when emotions
surrounding the change at 104.3 are high. The demos might be too
high for a big downtown stick to try (meaning less chance of it
being highjacked); but might be perfect for the trimulcast.

Me also thinks that AC or almost any other mainstream format is too
competitive with what exists downtown; oldies means instant cume
and quarter hours and revenue can be built fast. Oldies station seem
to naturally attract car dealers and would make a great revenue base.

(quoting Dennis Miller) "but thats just my opinion I could be
wrong".

Harvey, I'm game...
 
Re: oldies

> Me thinks that oldies is now the niche format that might
> just
> be the thing for Newsweb...ezpecially at this time when
> emotions
> surrounding the change at 104.3 are high. The demos might
> be too
> high for a big downtown stick to try (meaning less chance of
> it
> being highjacked); but might be perfect for the trimulcast.
>
> Me also thinks that AC or almost any other mainstream format
> is too
> competitive with what exists downtown; oldies means instant
> cume
> and quarter hours and revenue can be built fast. Oldies
> station seem
> to naturally attract car dealers and would make a great
> revenue base.
>
> (quoting Dennis Miller) "but thats just my opinion I could
> be
> wrong".
>
> Harvey, I'm game...
>

Newsweb ran oldies on 850 and 820 on the weekends (Pre Relevant Radio) so they most likely have the library to do ir. If they do oldies, I wouldn't mind.
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Re: Nine

Also, Energy had very good demos (where it could be heard), and it was a decent biller for a suburban station. It was the only profitable station in the BCR cluster. I have the financials to back all of this up.

> > Why put a dog, nothing, no-chance format on those freqs?
> At
> > least NINE-FM
> > is different (signal-challenged as they are).
>
> In his defense, Energy pulled very good numbers in their
> demos for being as signal challenged as WKIE/WDEK/WKIF was.
> Remember, only reason they went Spanish is because BCR
> couldn't pay their loans off and had to sell.
>
> -A
>
 
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