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NJ 101.5 For Sale???

radioguy39nj said:
What would be on after 6 PM? Would 101.5 take more of a hard news approach? Would it no longer be music on weekends? ???

Good question, the ratings are drifting down with the current music talk format, this may be a good time for a change. The model used could be the number one rated cash cow Newser KYW - 24 hour news with features. Massive savings for 101.5 will also be incurred dropping the weekend oldies just on music royalties alone with additional savings on Big Joe's Big salary. With a news format further cost reductions could include the reduction or elimination of the marketing and promotions department. Millennium already has all the news writers and reporters in place, very little additional costs would be required.

Benefits to going all news are overwhelming considering how much money will be saved and the considerable upside potential for increased revenue. KYW and WINS prove you can keep costs low while making big profits going all news all the time. WKXW would have the monopoly on all news in New Jersey.
 
After all... "Radio is a Business NOT a Hobby" and since News is a "24 Hour Business" it could be a good fit! I would suggest they then find a way to hit the entire state coverage-wise and AC-proper seems to be the easiest to address, North Jersey = Not so much... ???

;)
 
Radio411 said:
After all... "Radio is a Business NOT a Hobby" and since News is a "24 Hour Business" it could be a good fit! I would suggest they then find a way to hit the entire state coverage-wise and AC-proper seems to be the easiest to address, North Jersey = Not so much... ???

;)

With the deep pockets Townsquare has there could be some horse trading going on right now behind the scenes for a North Jersey signal. This move to all news also gives Townsquare the opportunity to clear out all the six fiqure salaried air staff and replace them with twenty dollar an hour air staff. Under the strong management of Eric Scott it will be a money making ratings success.

Radio is a business, not a hobby.
 
Millennium already has all the news writers and reporters in place, very little additional costs would be required.

Millennium already has enough news writers and reporters to produce their short top of the hour newscasts, filling the other forty-minutes or so every hour with news copy, and producing the kind of quality that will be required will take a whole lot more very qualified and talented people most of whom will deserve professional salaries.

Take a look at the WINS or WCBS 880 websites, they each list about 30-anchors, reporters and sportscasters. KYW has about 60 listed.

WINS and WCBS have AFTRA contracts for reporters and anchors that aren't cheap. The minimum annual salary was approaching six figures in the contracts that ended in the early 1990s, and they have to make much more than that now. Their writers are in the Writers Guild.

NJ-101.5 wouldn't have union contracts to worry about, but they would still need a lot of news people, and believing they would be able to cut payroll while doing this is way more than wishful thinking.

The money paid for weekend music licensing, and for Big Joe's big salary, or any of the other six figure salaries are small potatoes in the big picture here. Competent news anchors who sound good, and some weekend writers and reporters to produce the news will probably cost a lot more than Big Joe's salary, and the same goes for every shift all week. It is just more expensive to do a good job on all news, and if they fill the station with cheap small station talent, they will be stepping over dollars to save pennies because they won't draw the audience or the sponsors. You have to spend money to make it, and hedge fund types know this very well.

You're looking at saving relative nickels and dimes, these investors are looking at investing millions of dollars to make many many millions of dollars. Big Joe's salary, music licensing fees, the bill for 800 phone lines, and for whatever call screeners are paid really wouldn't make any difference here. None! Not on the radar at all!
 
How do you make money? Cut expenses and increase revenue. Time is tight, if Townsquare is going to assume Millennium's crushing debt what are they going to do differently that Millennium failed to do to get out from under this debt? It's apparent they're going to have to make cuts, you just can't keep adding commercials per hour while listeners continue to trend down.
Music weekends could cost up to a half a million dollars a year in royalties.

Let's play, what do they make?

Do excellent news people make more than jocks and talk hosts at Millennium?

Big Joe is rumored to make $125,000-150,000 a year, if that's the case what do you think News Anchor Raquel Williams deserves to make?

Radio is a business, not a hobby.
 
TimeIsTight said:
An all news format would likely draw a bigger audience. The NJ-101.5 signal covers the New Jersey wealth belt, including parts of Middlesex, Somerset and Hunterdon counties, which are among the wealthiest in the country. The more highly educated folks who live there may tune into NJ-101.5 now for traffic, when they have to, but they consider much of the programming in between to be "a little stupid." I have heard that any number of times over the years. Those highly educated, high income folks are very attractive to advertising dollars and bringing them into the audience for longer listening would help the numbers.

I for one, only tune in NJ 101.5 in the morning with Jim Gearhart and Eric Scott and for Ask The Governor. And yes, I do consider much of the rest of 101.5's programming to be "a little stupid."

There are very few all-news stations in the country. Most of them are owned by CBS. Then there's WTOP in DC, an FM all-newser that is the highest billing station in the country and #1 rated in DC.

With WCBS and WINS in NY and KYW in Philly on either side, I don't see WKXW going all-news. A news-based talk station seems more likely. Most of those feature an all-news block in AM drive followed by a combo of local and national talk shows the rest of the day. Other successful examples are KSL in Salt Lake City and KGO SF, which offer three hour news blocks in AM drive, an hour at noon and usually three hours in PM drive. :)
 
if Townsquare is going to assume Millennium's crushing debt what are they going to do differently that Millennium failed to do to get out from under this debt?

After the financial transaction goes through, Townsquare will not have the same crushing debt. That is the point of the exercise.

People currently financially involved in Millennium are likely to be taking some kind of "big haircut" and it will depend on how the deal is structured who loses and how much. Townsquare is only buying because the price is very cheap.

Townsquare's biggest shareholder is Oaktree Capital Management LP, which manages about $80-billion in investment funds. It has a distressed debt unit that says this about what it does
Our approach seeks to combine protection against loss, which comes from buying claims on assets at bargain prices, with the substantial gains to be achieved by returning companies to financial viability through restructuring.
By the way, Oaktree is private and gets its money only from institutions and other entities. It takes huge bucks to put your money there, but it can be both flexible and creative in how it makes that money grow. It obviously sees great opportunity in radio stations with huge debts or in bankruptcy because the owners bought at the price peak.

MedianJ, you certainly have the right basic idea about cutting expenses and increasing revenue, but I think we differ on what kind of numbers are significant in restructuring of what started as much more than $100-million of debt.

You asked, "do excellent news people make more than jocks and talk show hosts at Millennium?" The ones who can read news cold for a full hour and keep the audience do. As I mentioned, 20-years ago AFTRA minimum scale at WCBS and WINS was already almost $100,000 a year. Back in the 1970s, WCBS had a morning anchor team that each made $330,000 a year, when that was really big money.

I have no idea of what Raquel Williams makes now, but if she becomes the afternoon star who successfully holds down the mike for several full hours every day, she will deserve more than what she gets for reading a couple of minutes an hour. And she would need an expensive support team to write, edit and produce her full hours.

As far as music licensing fees go, both ACAP and BMI now have to be paid for weekend use only. The BMI fee is less than 2% of net revenue for that period. ASCAP can't be that much different. We "might" be talking tens of thousands, not hundreds.

And Big Joe's salary, (and he is worth every penny) is not that big a deal at a station that brings in tens of millions.

Again, this all news thing is rumor, speculation and hypothetical, although if done right for the entire state does have the potential to create one of the highest grossing radio stations in the country. Certainly the current weekly cume of NJ-101.5 listeners, which is already impressive, could be increased substantially.

Remember, I don't expect such a harsh change, although I do see the potential of increasing the audience and ad revenue by upping the "intelligence level" for most of the day.

I think radioguy39nj's idea of a news based talk station makes a whole lot of sense for a whole lot of reasons. It gets the all news benefits in drivetime when it really helps ratings and revenues, and keeps the full station costs down by using cheaper talk shows at other hours. It also brings in all those potential listeners who think the current talk is "a little stupid" and like radioguy39nj, I agree Jim Gearhart and the morning team don't fit that description, and I think Big Joe is about as good as a music jock gets on weekends.

Since this is all speculation and hypothetical, we'll all have to wait and see what actually happens. It's going to be interesting!
 
Time is Tight, it’s a given that those unfortunate fools who trusted the so called business experts at Millennium to grow their money will suffer a big financial haircut. I figure the loss will be in the area of 47 million. Millennium bought all the stations for 212 million; they still owe approx. 165 million, massive debt in which Townsquare who’s rumored to be buying it will have to acquire to prevent a bank takeover or possible bankruptcy.

My question to you again is what will Townsquare do differently than Millennium to get this 165 million crushing debt down? Cut expenses and increase revenue? How this will be accomplished is the big question?

One has to feel sorry for the investors in Millennium, they just learned a valuable lesson that whenever investing in a high risk venture like radio one must remember the old saying 'A fool and his money are soon parted'

That’s why friends;

Radio is a business, not a hobby.
 
MedianJ:

The original investors in Millennium aren't likely to be the only ones taking a big haircut in this deal, it is very likely that whomever loaned them the money (held the mortgage) will be taking a haircut too. Don't assume that Townsquare is just taking over the mortgage.

To go way back to my original homeowner analogy, let's say this is a situation where a family bought a house for $600,000 and still owes $500,000 on that mortgage. But in today's declining real estate market that house would now sell for only $350,000. The owner still has a job and has no problem making the monthly mortgage payments, but the particular mortgage contract requires refinancing after X-years.

When the owner goes to refinance nobody is going to give him a $500,000 mortgage on a $350,000 house, lenders want collateral to back up the loan. The guy is caught in a serious squeeze. That appears to be the kind of squeeze Millennium is caught in.

The problem may have nothing to do with how the radio stations are managed, and everything to do with the fact that radio stations are not worth what they were several years ago. The market dropped and Millennium is not alone, and may have had nothing to do with causing the problem.

Even in this weak advertising market, Millennium may be making an operating profit and there may be no problem at all with its ratings, its management, or what it pays its stars. It may be paying all its bills on time and still have profit left over. No way to know for sure since it is not a public corporation and its records are private.

The problem likely is that it doesn't have the collateral needed to qualify for re-financing that big a debt, and that is where outfits like Townsquare make their score. They have the cash and expertise to come in and restructure, and the former owners and lenders involved may be happy to make a deal in order to avoid bigger haircuts, and even greater loss of capital.

Townsquare has only existed for 13-months and has already bought and sold stations. It was started after the bankruptcy of Regent Communications last year.........

Regent filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy on March 1, 2010, with $211.3 million in debt, $166.5 million in assets, and a pre-arranged plan for exiting bankruptcy, with the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware. The filing plan made Oaktree Capital Management the majority owner of Regent after the bankruptcy and gave the old shareholders 12.8 cents per share.[4] After the company privatization, the company was given its new name, Townsquare Media.[5]

The quote is from Wikipedia.

It looks like the Millennium deal is a similar situation. After the transaction, and all the haircuts, Townsquare may be able to run the Millennium stations profitably just the way they are run now because it paid so much less for them. And it probably will be looking for ways to "increase the value of the stations" before it sells them at a profit.

It probably already had programming consultants look at possible improvements, and that might include going all news in the morning when Gearhart retires, and all news in afternoon drive because there is something wrong with the program there now, and who knows what else? But weekday drive time programming matters most, and will likely be fixed first.

While Townsquare certainly will look to eliminate waste, and increase revenue, saving the cost of an 800 phone service or its primary weekend music star's low six figure salary aren't the kinds expenses it will be focusing on. The main objective is to raise the value of the station so it can be sold at a big profit. These guys are in the financially troubled radio station restructuring business, not in the long-term owner-operator broadcasting business.
 
Time is Tight is the type of person I enjoy engaging with on these boards, intelligent and pleasant while making his/her points and opinions. I may not agree entirely with everything he/she say's, I like the tone in which it's done.
 
TimeIsTight said:
While Townsquare certainly will look to eliminate waste, and increase revenue, saving the cost of an 800 phone service or its primary weekend music star's low six figure salary aren't the kinds expenses it will be focusing on. The main objective is to raise the value of the station so it can be sold at a big profit. These guys are in the financially troubled radio station restructuring business, not in the long-term owner-operator broadcasting business.

Millennium has already "trimmed the fat" so to speak at many of their outposts - I'm not sure how many more bodies you could shove out the door before the ability to create profitable programming is hurt. Would they be better off selling some of the weaker stations (WCHR-FM, WENJ AM, WADB) to try and raise some cash to pay down debt?

Sadly, buying the stations to sell at a profit was the idea behind Millennium - and look how that turned out. And in some cases, Millennium doesn't even own the towers that the stations are on (Crown Castle I believe owns some of the Shore towers) - a nice chunk of revenue, gone. Hopefully Townsquare, or whoever buys Millennium's properties, learns that lesson of buying only with the thought of selling higher later on.
 
All I can say is WOW!

After reading all of these posts I think everybody here makes some very interesting points. First, I believe and correct me if I'm wrong that the owners of WKXW had some pretty bad financial issues if they had their Moody's financial rating downgraded one year, and taken away the next. That to me shows a company with financial problems.

Second, as Turnpike Tuner mentions, they've apparently cut staff to critical levels at some stations. I can only guess that Turnpike Tuner was either on of those or knew someone who was fired or knows people inside who know for certain to be abl to make that statement.

Third, from what I read here it seems like Milennium Radio bought their stations at premium prices. Anybody who knows the stock market knows to "Buy Low, Sell High." Buying high will not get you a better return on your investment, so whoever is in charge and made those decisions has some blame here.

Fourth, you have to admit that the "big bosses" are also to blame. It was Median J who wrote about the afternoon show calling the station consultant "Spineless and Worthless" on the radio! The fact their show is as horrible as it is and they still are on the radio shows that maybe the PD is also spineless IMHO. It seems like all the hosts just do whatever they want, so why even have a PD? I know in my office if people don;t do as their managers say they don't last long employed. The fact that the ratings on WKXW went down so far as has also been alluded to is more proof that if the station is indeed bought, the PD there will probably be the first to go and someone who knows what they are doing will be brought in.

Fifth, whoever is running WKXW has horrible shows on. I don;t even bother to listen when I have to go to Trenton in the afternoon anymore. I love Dennis and Judy but Dennis sometimes goes overboard. Jim Gearhart is great, and so is Erik Scott. Tommy G was great at night an better than anybody they've had since the original Jersey Guys were there. Whoever alowed him to leave (or fired) should have their head examined.

If someone has bought WKXW and the company, I wish them well. They will have their hands full fixing a station I once really loved to listen to, and please put them back on 97.3 so I can listen more.
 
Hopefully Townsquare, or whoever buys Millennium's properties, learns that lesson of buying only with the thought of selling higher later on.

Not to hog the thread or repeat myself, but I wouldn't worry a second about Townsquare losing money, or learning lessons.

If these rumors and speculation are true, than Townsquare's crack team of highly paid finance MBAs have already run all the spreadsheets, crunched all the numbers, and run everything through various financial algorithms to the point where, before they put a dime into this transaction, they will know exactly what they are going to do to make a profit.

Townsquare was created out of the pre-packaged bankruptcy of a similar radio group, in possibly the same kind of situation.

Without a doubt, the bankruptcy was not the only thing prepackaged but the final plans and probabilities on how to dispose of the stations at a profit were also worked out and written down before a dime was spent. These guys don't play by ear and roll with the flow. The only thing that could screw them is an unexpected drop in the entire economy. They know this and that is why I would expect them to unload any stations they acquire, sooner rather than later. They will "take the loot and scoot" moving on to the next "distressed debt opportunity."

It's the station owners who come after them you might worry about over the long term. Radio station prices are in decline, and the industry is facing big competition for advertising dollars from online, and even smart phone media. Someday station prices will level off, and even recover some, but its a more dangerous investment than it used to be.
 
Kevin TRC said:
Second, as Turnpike Tuner mentions, they've apparently cut staff to critical levels at some stations. I can only guess that Turnpike Tuner was either on of those or knew someone who was fired or knows people inside who know for certain to be abl to make that statement.

I was not one of the people who have been let go over the past few years, but I did work there and saw how one person would be doing more than one job, sometimes at multiple stations at different campuses. Trust me...there isn't much more human capital to be cut.

Townsquare is getting a great bunch of people in Millennium - they would be wise to keep that team intact and give them the tools to do their thing.
 
TimeIsTight said:
I think radioguy39nj's idea of a news based talk station makes a whole lot of sense for a whole lot of reasons. It gets the all news benefits in drivetime when it really helps ratings and revenues, and keeps the full station costs down by using cheaper talk shows at other hours. It also brings in all those potential listeners who think the current talk is "a little stupid" and like radioguy39nj, I agree Jim Gearhart and the morning team don't fit that description, and I think Big Joe is about as good as a music jock gets on weekends.

Since this is all speculation and hypothetical, we'll all have to wait and see what actually happens. It's going to be interesting!

A news-based talk WKXW has the potential to rival WTOP in ad revenue. How embarassing would that be for NY stations? It's embarassing enough that NY has two 50 kW AM blaster talk stations (WOR and WABC) that spend little if any time talking to their home market, despite the national trend of talk stations dropping syndie talk for local! Eric Scott anchoring "New Jersey's Morning News" would significantly impact NY stations in most of north and central NJ.

Being that we're speculating, should a news/talk 101.5 go with three news blocks (AM Drive, Noon-1PM, PM Drive) or just AM and PM Drive?

101.5 could possibly be radio's answer to News 12 NJ! :)
 
Being that we're speculating, should a news/talk 101.5 go with three news blocks (AM Drive, Noon-1PM, PM Drive) or just AM and PM Drive?

Since we are just speculating, even without the alleged owner financial problems in the mix, going to news blocks in both morning and afternoon drive would solve two big problems for NJ-101.5....How to most effectively replace Jim Gearhart when he retires?, and, What to do about an afternoon drive show that apparently is not producing up to expectations?

The one thing they might not want to do is rock the boat too much while the advertising economy is still weak. The drivetime news blocks would still be very Jersey and feature names and voices familiar to the long-term audience. But, you always get some people who will be offended by any change.

At first, a news block at noon might overtax the ability of the news department to provide fresh cuts and copy that doesn't sound like a repeat of morning drive with a few new stories from the few hours in between quickly thrown in.

Whether they go news at noon too, probably depends on how unhappy they are with the current midday program and what other talk programming options they have to put in its place. Again, being safe, they might want to see how well received the drivetime news blocks are before committing too much to new news staff, and creating the impression that it's a different station. Drivetime changes with familiar voices sound like a change of program, add in a noon change and it may sound like the station has changed format and identity. They'll try to limit offending old listeners while attracting new ones.
 
from what I hear it's not town square media and WHY would Millennium sell there BEST station?! that's just stupid!!
 
TimeIsTight said:
Whether they go news at noon too, probably depends on how unhappy they are with the current midday program and what other talk programming options they have to put in its place. Again, being safe, they might want to see how well received the drivetime news blocks are before committing too much to new news staff, and creating the impression that it's a different station. Drivetime changes with familiar voices sound like a change of program, add in a noon change and it may sound like the station has changed format and identity. They'll try to limit offending old listeners while attracting new ones.

KGO in San Francisco does three news blocks, AM Drive, noon and PM Drive. They dropped the noontime news block for a time but have since restored it. That may have been a Citadel cost-cutting move, but they probably lost ad revenue so they brought it back. Three news blocks might seem a bit much since KGO competes against the KCBS all-news simulcast on 740 AM & 106.9 FM. KGO isn't on FM, but Cumulus could change all that. KGO lost its #1 rating to KCBS when the latter station added the FM simulcast.

KSL in Salt Lake City also does three news blocks, but they pretty much are the news station in their market so it probably isn't overkill given the competition.

Two news blocks on WKXW would probably be sufficient, since they face stiff all-news competition from New York and Philadelphia. :)
 
Don't see 101.5 going all news. For starters their news department isn't that strong. They run the same news over and over throughout the day, with minimal changes, and are forced to pad that with a lot of fluff. "What's good about the Garden State?" and that sort of thing. Any new company would have to put out a serious amount of money to get it up to par. Plus, they would have to compete with major news organizations in NYC and Philly that have both national and international affiliates. 101.5 wouldn't be able to compete with that. Even going to a news block in one of the dayparts would require an increase in staff, throughout the day, to give them product. It's just not going to happen.
 
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