No Bull: Campbell Brown Returns To 4th Place @ 8 PM

[DToTheJ]

The CNN host returned from maternity leave to a revamped show, now only self-titled without the "No Bias, No Bull" tagline. Monday's installment finished fourth behind CNN, MSNBC and HLN.

Full story:
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/06/campbell-brown-cnn-ratings.html

A further breakdown of the ratings:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/06/02/cable-news-tv-ratings-for-monday-june-1/19914#more-19914

 

[kms575]

The CNN host returned from maternity leave to a revamped show, now only self-titled without the "No Bias, No Bull" tagline. Monday's installment finished fourth behind CNN, MSNBC and HLN.

Full story:
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/06/campbell-brown-cnn-ratings.html

A further breakdown of the ratings:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/06/02/cable-news-tv-ratings-for-monday-june-1/19914#more-19914

Behind HLN???? Ouch!!!
BTW, when you say behind CNN, I assume you mean Fox News.

 

[BRNout]

BTW, when you say behind CNN, I assume you mean Fox News.

Okay, that was a surprisingly unenlightened comment. Based on your previous posts, I would expect better! :

Of course you are aware that CNN is waaaaaaaaay behind FNC in every measurable ratings category and has been for several years now. At least since Fox News has reached a near-parity with CNN in cable carriage. Not one time segment is even close either - in prime time CNN has less than half of the audience of Fox News.

The only recent time that I can think of where CNN outdrew FNC was (I believe) election night 2008. That one was a fluke in that they had something like 5 times their normal viewership.

 

[KeithE4]

The CNN host returned from maternity leave to a revamped show, now only self-titled without the "No Bias, No Bull" tagline. Monday's installment finished fourth behind CNN, MSNBC and HLN.

Given the fact that the shows that beat her in the ratings were hosted by the three biggest windbags in cable news, I hope Ms. Brown and CNN keep doing exactly what they are doing. There has to be somebody with more than half a brain on the air at that time period.

 

[FreddyE1977]

so the news is that with her return, they finished ahead of the Mongolian Spear Fishing documentary on LINK-TV?

 

[kms575]

BTW, when you say behind CNN, I assume you mean Fox News.

Okay, that was a surprisingly unenlightened comment. Based on your previous posts, I would expect better! :

Of course you are aware that CNN is waaaaaaaaay behind FNC in every measurable ratings category and has been for several years now. At least since Fox News has reached a near-parity with CNN in cable carriage. Not one time segment is even close either - in prime time CNN has less than half of the audience of Fox News.

The only recent time that I can think of where CNN outdrew FNC was (I believe) election night 2008. That one was a fluke in that they had something like 5 times their normal viewership.

What was wrong with my comment? I was just clarifying. No intention of getting into any political arguement or any other arguement about Fox News. I am, however, suprised that anyone watches HLN. That should have been dumped years ago.

 

[DToTheJ]

I hope Ms. Brown and CNN keep doing exactly what they are doing. There has to be somebody with more than half a brain on the air at that time period...

Well, the article did cite some three-quarters of a million pairs of eyeballs still tuned in, so that's still not too shabby...

But as far as HLN, in all fairness, that network is actually making some strides. Nancy Grace is their primetime star and received somewhat of a following during the Caylee Anthony case. Also, their "Prime News" with Mike Galanos is pretty good at the times I've watched it. Trust me, HLN has come a long, long way from airing half-hour news segments around the clock.

By the way, one CNN commentator I would personally be more concerned about is Lou Dobbs. His first-run show at 7 PM, on Monday, at least, was beaten by the rerun of "Hardball" on MSNBC! I guess most people were watching Glenn Beck at 5 PM...

 

[kms575]

I hope Ms. Brown and CNN keep doing exactly what they are doing. There has to be somebody with more than half a brain on the air at that time period...

Well, the article did cite some three-quarters of a million pairs of eyeballs still tuned in, so that's still not too shabby...

But as far as HLN, in all fairness, that network is actually making some strides. Nancy Grace is their primetime star and received somewhat of a following during the Caylee Anthony case. Also, their "Prime News" with Mike Galanos is pretty good at the times I've watched it. Trust me, HLN has come a long, long way from airing half-hour news segments around the clock.

By the way, one CNN commentator I would personally be more concerned about is Lou Dobbs. His first-run show at 7 PM, on Monday, at least, was beaten by the rerun of "Hardball" on MSNBC! I guess most people were watching Glenn Beck at 5 PM...

I thought that was the whole point of HLN though, to get news all the time. Sort of a TV-equivalent of 1010 WINS
Personally though, I can't bear Nancy Grace, Mike Galanos or that Jane Valez Mitchell - and the garbage they put on the air and consider it news.

 

[BRNout]

I thought that was the whole point of HLN though, to get news all the time. Sort of a TV-equivalent of 1010 WINS
Personally though, I can't bear Nancy Grace, Mike Galanos or that Jane Valez Mitchell - and the garbage they put on the air and consider it news.

Agreed 100% on HLN! It it's 8 pm and you want an update on the Air France tragedy or something else (as I did Monday night), you're out of luck! HLN could have made a nice niche for itself by sticking with news when everyone else goes talk but instead they choose to compete with everyone else. Not very smart.

I just didn't understand why you think that FNC would be behind CNN. They haven't trailed CNN for as long as they have been on the same footing distribution-wise.

 

[LKellerIII]

I hope Ms. Brown and CNN keep doing exactly what they are doing. There has to be somebody with more than half a brain on the air at that time period...

By the way, one CNN commentator I would personally be more concerned about is Lou Dobbs. His first-run show at 7 PM, on Monday, at least, was beaten by the rerun of "Hardball" on MSNBC! I guess most people were watching Glenn Beck at 5 PM...

Low ratings or not, I'd bet that FoxNews would pick up Lou in a heartbeat if CNN ever lets him go. Though Dobbs is somewhat of a political maverick (very critical of big business, and job outsourcing, for example), his views on immigration and gun control would fit in well at FNC.

 

[BRNout]

I hope Ms. Brown and CNN keep doing exactly what they are doing. There has to be somebody with more than half a brain on the air at that time period...

By the way, one CNN commentator I would personally be more concerned about is Lou Dobbs. His first-run show at 7 PM, on Monday, at least, was beaten by the rerun of "Hardball" on MSNBC! I guess most people were watching Glenn Beck at 5 PM...

Low ratings or not, I'd bet that FoxNews would pick up Lou in a heartbeat if CNN ever lets him go. Though Dobbs is somewhat of a political maverick (very critical of big business, and job outsourcing, for example), his views on immigration and gun control would fit in well at FNC.

Not sure where a lot of people here (in this case DtotheJ) get their figures, but Lou Dobbs has not been flagging in the ratings. In fact, he's doing fine by CNN's standards and had more 25-54 viewers than Campbell Brown or Wolf Blitzer. Although total viewers favor the latter two, they're also the old folks - in 25-54 (where it counts), Dobbs is doing fine and actually has a younger audience than any of his contemporaries. No one at CNN is doing great, however.

The most recent ratings are here: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/

Without question, if Fox News could snag Lou Dobbs, they would do so and in a heartbeat. And CNN's ratings would sag even more.

 

[DToTheJ]

May is turning out to be a bad month for some cable news shows, not just "AC360" on CNN, but Olbermann and Maddow on MSNBC, as well.

More info:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-news/cable-news

Here's a thought: Do you think it's time for CNN to move Larry King back an hour to 8 PM ET, with AC360 from 9-11 PM, or would that be a bad move given King's establishment in the 9 PM slot?

 

[kms575]

May is turning out to be a bad month for some cable news shows, not just "AC360" on CNN, but Olbermann and Maddow on MSNBC, as well.

More info:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-news/cable-news

Here's a thought: Do you think it's time for CNN to move Larry King back an hour to 8 PM ET, with AC360 from 9-11 PM, or would that be a bad move given King's establishment in the 9 PM slot?

What about retirement? Personally, I think it's time.

 

[searadiofreak]

Did anyone watch the Campbell Brown hour when she was out? (Evidently not very many)...

It seemed to be a completely different show. It did have more energy, I thought. That hour needs something, I'm not smart enough to know what. But I predict it will look different by the fall, either revamped, or something completely new.

 

[jal41]

One problem...Fixed Noise is regaining its traction because there is a Democrat as President. This is what caused them to overtake CNN around 2000 or so.

The pattern I see...shows involving those in the political minority do well, because they are mad their guy is not in charge. Those in the political majority are no longer mad, and the just go on their merry way and don't watch the shows that go along with their views because there is no need to...they are happy their guy is in charge.

I am no expert...but that is what I see. Yes, Fox did stay #1 while you-know-who was President, but they started to fall off towards the end. This is for reasons I will not explain here.

 

[Mark Giardina]

How many of you remember when CNN fired most of their original anchors and reporters in order to pay the salaries of so-called "superstars" like Connie Chung, Larry King, Paula Zahn? Of course who can forget actress turned anchor Andrea Thompson? :

With the exception of Larry King, Chung, Zahn, and Thompson are no longer at CNN, yet
apparently the "suits" at that network don't believe in the old saying: "History repeats itself."

I remember how CNN promoted the hell out of the fact they hired Campbell Brown away from NBC news and as host of the Saturday morning Today Show.

Now what does CNN have to show for that decision? According to the ratings; very little.

 

[BRNout]

One problem...Fixed Noise is regaining its traction because there is a Democrat as President. This is what caused them to overtake CNN around 2000 or so.

The pattern I see...shows involving those in the political minority do well, because they are mad their guy is not in charge. Those in the political majority are no longer mad, and the just go on their merry way and don't watch the shows that go along with their views because there is no need to...they are happy their guy is in charge.

I am no expert...but that is what I see. Yes, Fox did stay #1 while you-know-who was President, but they started to fall off towards the end. This is for reasons I will not explain here.

There's quite a bit of truth to what you're saying in that the conservative talkers on radio and FNC certainly do get a little bump when the democrats are running things. And, given that the more liberal wing of that party has unfettered control of things at the moment, look for that trend to continue. However, the 'core' listeners/viewers of the Fox News shows are not who's bolstering ratings. It's the less loyal bunch who lean right, but didn't bother with the political talk after a while when Bush was in office. That group (which is significant) is who are now padding the ratings of Rush, Hannity (radio and TV), as well as B'OR. Again, as we go forward and leave BHO's honeymoon period, look for those ratings to grow even more.

And yes, Fox was #1 by a healthy margin even toward the end of the GWB presidency and - as long as they stay the course - they'll probably pull away from the pack even more now. But there's one more thing at play here that you are not recognizing. The main audience for these programs feel disenfranchised when it comes to news and opinion thanks to the openly left-leaning tendencies of Hollywood and the entertainment community. Not to mention that those tendencies have become even more pronounced in all of the other news channels other than Fox. That feeds a bit of a siege mentality on the right and fierce loyalty to those who program to their tastes.

Brian Williams' fawning report on the Obama White House was a fine example of this leftward lean of most media. Liberals in the audience probably felt that it was a fine piece, but anyone looking at it critically could see that it was a nothing more than a huge puff piece. The sort of thing that NEVER would have happened (at least not with the adoration) with NBC during the Bush years. Stuff like, over time, that tends to drive a lot of people to Fox.