No HD radios in Radio Shack stores...

[SUPERCASTER]

I don't think it's the lack of signal strength of "penetration" that's keeping HD radios from performing in stores...it's the RF JUNK in the average store, plus the fact that dealers usually place the antenna right next to the radio...a NO NO with most HD units, because of the RF noise generated by their cpus. The solution? Get the antenna AWAY from computers, the radio itself, and other electronics. Hey guys...in the old days, you put an antenna on the roof to sell tvs? Then you put a dish on the roof to sell satellite tv. Then you put antennas on the roof to sell satellite radio (that doesn't come in too well inside concrete buildings with steel frames!) Time to head back "up on the roof" (I can hear the Drifters now!)

Most consumers today have fluorescent lights, CPU's, computers, and many other electrical devices, just like Radio Shack. If it won't work in Radio Shack, even at closing time with all the electronics turned off, then it probably won't work in most homes.
As for the average consumer putting up new rooftop antennas just to get a couple of HD2 stations, dream on.
HD might catch on with a very few digital DXers and early adopters, but it will never be popular with the public at large, as it must, if it is to survive.

Hmmm, Actually, you can't draw a reception comparison between a store in a steel building where many computers are running as well as a flourescent lighting level which no home has. Also mutiply this interference with the dozens of other store doing similar things in the same steel building. Now take a typical house, which is wood framed and while there might be a computer (We have four when the children are home) in the same room as the radio, not everyone leaves their computer on 24 hours a day. Say that same house uses the new power saver flourescent lights, which do not exibit the same level of noise that the old tubes with external starters used to do. Again, most people don't leave every light in their house on 24 hours a day. Starting to understand what I'm talking about here? The level of interfeernce is much lower in a residential environment then it is in a commercial establishment. When I bought my original B.A. radio, from a store located in a steel and concrete building, in Paramus NJ, using the factory provided antennas I was able to listen to HD stations on both AM & FM in the store. Reception in my house is much better than it was in the store but I was able to make it work. If say you are selling either car radios or components, such as the Sangean tuner you need an external antenna of some kind. With the dipole antenna Sangean provided for FM recption I was able to listen to a few Conneticut FM HD stations from my location in NY and I am 35 miles or so from the Conneticut border. Over the next few days I will post examples and you can judge for yourself.

Where is this imaginary steel building?
I guess everyone will have to listen to HD Radio by candlelight, with all the appliances off, on the wooden porch, with extra antennas. HD radio sounds like a real winner! :

 

[Hillbillicus]

What is this "Radio Shack" you speak of? Do you mean the Cell Phone place?

 

[R.F. Burns]

I don't think it's the lack of signal strength of "penetration" that's keeping HD radios from performing in stores...it's the RF JUNK in the average store, plus the fact that dealers usually place the antenna right next to the radio...a NO NO with most HD units, because of the RF noise generated by their cpus. The solution? Get the antenna AWAY from computers, the radio itself, and other electronics. Hey guys...in the old days, you put an antenna on the roof to sell tvs? Then you put a dish on the roof to sell satellite tv. Then you put antennas on the roof to sell satellite radio (that doesn't come in too well inside concrete buildings with steel frames!) Time to head back "up on the roof" (I can hear the Drifters now!)

Most consumers today have fluorescent lights, CPU's, computers, and many other electrical devices, just like Radio Shack. If it won't work in Radio Shack, even at closing time with all the electronics turned off, then it probably won't work in most homes.
As for the average consumer putting up new rooftop antennas just to get a couple of HD2 stations, dream on.
HD might catch on with a very few digital DXers and early adopters, but it will never be popular with the public at large, as it must, if it is to survive.

Hmmm, Actually, you can't draw a reception comparison between a store in a steel building where many computers are running as well as a flourescent lighting level which no home has. Also mutiply this interference with the dozens of other store doing similar things in the same steel building. Now take a typical house, which is wood framed and while there might be a computer (We have four when the children are home) in the same room as the radio, not everyone leaves their computer on 24 hours a day. Say that same house uses the new power saver flourescent lights, which do not exibit the same level of noise that the old tubes with external starters used to do. Again, most people don't leave every light in their house on 24 hours a day. Starting to understand what I'm talking about here? The level of interfeernce is much lower in a residential environment then it is in a commercial establishment. When I bought my original B.A. radio, from a store located in a steel and concrete building, in Paramus NJ, using the factory provided antennas I was able to listen to HD stations on both AM & FM in the store. Reception in my house is much better than it was in the store but I was able to make it work. If say you are selling either car radios or components, such as the Sangean tuner you need an external antenna of some kind. With the dipole antenna Sangean provided for FM recption I was able to listen to a few Conneticut FM HD stations from my location in NY and I am 35 miles or so from the Conneticut border. Over the next few days I will post examples and you can judge for yourself.

Where is this imaginary steel building?
I guess everyone will have to listen to HD Radio by candlelight, with all the appliances off, on the wooden porch, with extra antennas. HD radio sounds like a real winner! :

now who's grasping at straws. If you really don't get the gist of what I was trying to explain, then might I suggest you not waste you effort debating this issue. Why it's like trying to stream high quality internet audio using a dial up connection. I do have a suggestion for you, if you don't think you can handle this technology why don't you just not use it? No one is forcing anyone to go HD. But, for those of us willing to make the investment what's your problem? How will HD effect you personally? I know I enjoy what it offers so far.

 

[Mike Walker]

Amen Brother RF. You're 'preachin' to the choir!" We've ALL seen the light!

 

[SUPERCASTER]

R. F. Burns said:

How will HD effect you personally?

HD Radio creates irritating iBuzz all over the broadcast bands and jamms "the stations between the stations". Everyone is effected.

 

[cheapman]

I'm not really sold on this HD Radio thing myself, but I will say this much in Radio Shack's defense. Where I am there is a whopping grand total of TWO (2) HD signals, but I went into Radio Shack and happened to see there was an HD receiver on display, hooked up and actually tuned to one of those stations. Not only that but the radio sounded good (it was on the classical station.) Maybe I was surprised but I was greeted by a store associate who was very knowledgable on HD radio! He demonstrated the radio and spoke amazingly knowledgable about HD radio and how it works. I couldn't stump him with a single question, but he did admit that even he wasn't sure it would really catch on.

 

[R.F. Burns]

R. F. Burns said:

How will HD effect you personally?

HD Radio creates irritating iBuzz all over the broadcast bands and jamms "the stations between the stations". Everyone is effected.

Listen to my demo and tell me again about stations being jammed. Don't let the facts stand in your way.

 

[Mike Walker]

Radio Shack in Morganton NC, about 60 miles from the nearest HD station (Charlotte or Asheville) has the Accurian. With careful antenna placement, they WILL work at that range, however. I get stations from 80+ miles away (most of the Charlotte NC HD stations. There are a couple I don't get reliably, including WFAE 90.7, and WLNK, 107.9).

 

[SUPERCASTER]

R. F. Burns said:

How will HD effect you personally?

HD Radio creates irritating iBuzz all over the broadcast bands and jamms "the stations between the stations". Everyone is effected.

Listen to my demo and tell me again about stations being jammed. Don't let the facts stand in your way.

You would have to present some real, impartial, "facts" first, and not just audio clips and opinions selected and recorded by you, under conditions that you alone control, at your location, and claim these are the only and ultimate universal truths, everywhere. Also you would have to be open and objective to others observations, opinions, location, experience, and facts they present. So far I have seen no signs of that on your part.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Amen Brother RF. You're 'preachin' to the choir!" We've ALL seen the light!

Yes, HD radio supporters are preaching belief in their own brand of HD religion as the savior of radio. No facts, science, or experiences of others have any merit to the spiritually committed HD faithful. Ultimate truth is theirs alone.
I think we have all have heard this garbage many times before, most recently from terrorists.

 

[R.F. Burns]

Amen Brother RF. You're 'preachin' to the choir!" We've ALL seen the light!

Yes, HD radio supporters are preaching belief in their own brand of HD religion as the savior of radio. No facts, science, or experiences of others have any merit to the spiritually committed HD faithful. Ultimate truth is theirs alone.
I think we have all have heard this garbage many times before, most recently from terrorists.

No facts, no science but real world demos and who can believe real world demos. This is like are you gonna believe me or your ears. Give it up Supercaster. You've been proven wrong too many times.

 

[EasyPeazy]

This is some funny stuff. Now the anti-HD crowd is comparing HD supporters to religious fanatics and terrorists.

I think I'm starting to figure out the whole anti-HD "the sky is falling" mentality. Seriously - do you guys ever listen to yourselves? It's just radio. Nobody dies.

 

[PocketRadio]

I went to 3 Radio Shack stores in Savannah, to get a listen on these Accurian recievers and of the 3 stores I went to none carried the HD radios... plenty of Accurian speakers and misc. items but no HD radios..

Customer Service

http://tonkasal.wordpress.com/2007/03/27/customer-service/

You know, I am starting to think that retailers are stocking HD radios, in exchange for free advertising - again, HD radios are not to be found.

 

[clouseau]

WOW!

No customer service in a Wal-Mart store...

Shocking!!

The writer happened to be looking for an HD radio. And how would it have been different if her were looking for a Slinky?

....

Exactly.

Clouseau

I went to 3 Radio Shack stores in Savannah, to get a listen on these Accurian recievers and of the 3 stores I went to none carried the HD radios... plenty of Accurian speakers and misc. items but no HD radios..

Customer Service

http://tonkasal.wordpress.com/2007/03/27/customer-service/

You know, I am starting to think that retailers are stocking HD radios, in exchange for free advertising - again, HD radios are not to be found.

 

[PocketRadio]

WOW!

No customer service in a Wal-Mart store...

Shocking!!

From the Los Angeles Times
Wal-Mart to sell HD digital radio receivers

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/la-fi-radio6mar06,0,2190263.story?coll=chi-bizfront-hed

Here's a notable quote:

"Bentonville, Ark.-based Wal-Mart said it would start selling a $190 car-radio model in about 2,000 of its 3,500 stores and on its website. In addition, the giant retailer will support consumer education and other promotion for HD radio."

It's just a huge carny-shill.

 

[R.F. Burns]

WOW!

No customer service in a Wal-Mart store...

Shocking!!

From the Los Angeles Times
Wal-Mart to sell HD digital radio receivers

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/la-fi-radio6mar06,0,2190263.story?coll=chi-bizfront-hed

Here's a notable quote:

"Bentonville, Ark.-based Wal-Mart said it would start selling a $190 car-radio model in about 2,000 of its 3,500 stores and on its website. In addition, the giant retailer will support consumer education and other promotion for HD radio."

It's just a huge carny-shill.

Could you explain your last sentence? Are you alleging that Wal-mart is involved with some illegal activity? How about the FCC? How about the manufacturers? Are you saying that all these people have been taken in and that you and you alone are the only person able to see through this scam? Boy, you sure have some high opinion of yourself and we're lucky to be blessed with your presence.

 

[Mike Walker]

Yeah...the world's largest retailer is about to sell HD in most of it's stores, AND educate their customers on what the hell it is. Obvious proof of failure.

And I've seen HD in PLENTY of Radio Shack stores (among others). And people lined up to hear them (at a store in Charlotte a couple of months ago). GEEZ!