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Why would anyone in the radio biz that not a owner of a station want a station to be a Jack format ? No airstaff , I think a Jack format really sux . I need news, Weather, and info of whats going on in my city . Jack format is just the owners being really cheap with there money . I hope this format fall apart . Alot of good airstaff People had been taking off the air because of this stupid Jack format . Jack format must go , or radio jobs will be history .
 
easy answer

why go "Jack"? To give listeners something fresh & new. To fulfill a need for more than 200 song playlists and jocks saying the same thing (often listening to themselves) over & over, day after day. An alternative to "ten in a row", "the most music" and "classic rock that really rocks". Something DIFFERENT.

By your statement, you're assuming Jack will not add any other elements. Know what happens when U assume? Your statement about jack "just the owners being really cheap" shows you know NOTHING about how real radio really works. More jocks are put out of work by lousy and losing Programming and no vision.

BTW, have you opened your eyes & mind enough to notice Jack is KICKING BOOTY in a number of markets, and it's still very early in the game.

If you have a better alternative cure for the same old-same old, let's hear it.

> Why would anyone in the radio biz that not a owner of a
> station want a station to be a Jack format ? No airstaff ,
> I think a Jack format really sux . I need news, Weather, and
> info of whats going on in my city . Jack format is just the
> owners being really cheap with there money . I hope this
> format fall apart . Alot of good airstaff People had been
> taking off the air because of this stupid Jack format . Jack
> format must go , or radio jobs will be history .
>
 
Re: easy answer

> why go "Jack"? To give listeners something fresh & new. To
> fulfill a need for more than 200 song playlists and jocks
> saying the same thing (often listening to themselves) over &
> over, day after day. An alternative to "ten in a row", "the
> most music" and "classic rock that really rocks". Something
> DIFFERENT.
>
> By your statement, you're assuming Jack will not add any
> other elements. Know what happens when U assume? Your
> statement about jack "just the owners being really cheap"
> shows you know NOTHING about how real radio really works.
> More jocks are put out of work by lousy and losing
> Programming and no vision.
>
> BTW, have you opened your eyes & mind enough to notice Jack
> is KICKING BOOTY in a number of markets, and it's still very
> early in the game.
>
> If you have a better alternative cure for the same old-same
> old, let's hear it.
>
> > Why would anyone in the radio biz that not a owner of a
> > station want a station to be a Jack format ? No airstaff
> ,
> > I think a Jack format really sux . I need news, Weather,
> and
> > info of whats going on in my city . Jack format is just
> the
> > owners being really cheap with there money . I hope this
> > format fall apart . Alot of good airstaff People had been
> > taking off the air because of this stupid Jack format .
> Jack
> > format must go , or radio jobs will be history .
> >
>

Thank You OldiesCat, for speaking the truth about the radio biz and the Jack format. The jack format is here to stay IMHO for one reason, it's only a little thing that soooo many have forgotten about and it's called VARIETY.
 
Re: easy answer

> > why go "Jack"? To give listeners something fresh & new.
> To
> > fulfill a need for more than 200 song playlists and jocks
> > saying the same thing (often listening to themselves) over
> &
> > over, day after day. An alternative to "ten in a row",
> "the
> > most music" and "classic rock that really rocks".
> Something
> > DIFFERENT.
> >
> > By your statement, you're assuming Jack will not add any
> > other elements. Know what happens when U assume? Your
> > statement about jack "just the owners being really cheap"
> > shows you know NOTHING about how real radio really works.
>
> > More jocks are put out of work by lousy and losing
> > Programming and no vision.
> >
> > BTW, have you opened your eyes & mind enough to notice
> Jack
> > is KICKING BOOTY in a number of markets, and it's still
> very
> > early in the game.
> >
> > If you have a better alternative cure for the same
> old-same
> > old, let's hear it.
> >
> > > Why would anyone in the radio biz that not a owner of a
> > > station want a station to be a Jack format ? No
> airstaff
> > ,
> > > I think a Jack format really sux . I need news, Weather,
>
> > and
> > > info of whats going on in my city . Jack format is just
> > the
> > > owners being really cheap with there money . I hope this
>
> > > format fall apart . Alot of good airstaff People had
> been
> > > taking off the air because of this stupid Jack format .
> > Jack
> > > format must go , or radio jobs will be history .
> > >
> >
>
> Thank You OldiesCat, for speaking the truth about the radio
> biz and the Jack format. The jack format is here to stay
> IMHO for one reason, it's only a little thing that soooo
> many have forgotten about and it's called VARIETY.
>

Also, according to nice folks including OldiesCat and David Eduardo, they say Jack will get jocks. Some jacks do. In Canada, they have jocks and information. Hopefully the US will follow, because it can still be a same variety, just with more personality.<P ID="signature">______________
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</P>
 
Jack-jox

Otherwise, "Jack" is indeed "like an iPod on shuffle"- WITH COMMERCIALS. In the big-picture, long-term scheme, what then would be the point?

>
> Also, according to nice folks including OldiesCat and David
> Eduardo, they say Jack will get jocks. Some jacks do. In
> Canada, they have jocks and information. Hopefully the US
> will follow, because it can still be a same variety, just
> with more personality.
>
> > Thank You OldiesCat, for speaking the truth about the
> radio biz and the Jack format. The jack format is here to stay
> > IMHO for one reason, it's only a little thing that soooo
> > many have forgotten about and it's called VARIETY.
 
Re: Jack-jox

> Otherwise, "Jack" is indeed "like an iPod on shuffle"- WITH
> COMMERCIALS. In the big-picture, long-term scheme, what
> then would be the point?


Are you saying jocks will not be added, at least for a very very long time?

On a personal opinion side, I don't think radio should be an iPOD with commercials. And people, don't give me reasons like "but its a big money maker" etc. I just personally don't think radio should be like this. It can have the variety, but it would be better with jocks, information, etc.

> > Also, according to nice folks including OldiesCat and
> David
> > Eduardo, they say Jack will get jocks. Some jacks do. In
> > Canada, they have jocks and information. Hopefully the US
> > will follow, because it can still be a same variety, just
> > with more personality.
> >
> > > Thank You OldiesCat, for speaking the truth about the
> > radio biz and the Jack format. The jack format is here to
> stay
> > > IMHO for one reason, it's only a little thing that soooo
>
> > > many have forgotten about and it's called VARIETY.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Check my website www.freewebs.com/radiostuffandnews
</P>
 
Re: Jack-jox

I swear, with god as my witness, (AND ofcorse, my IP adress) that I DID NOT start this thread...but it does sound like something I would post, and I agree with it.
Radio is better with that voice that says..."this isn't your ipod"
Wether it's the jock "listening to themselves"
or Anything, from this day in history, or whatever...even contests! (I never bother with them, because I can't, but I enjoy hearing people being put on the air...as long as no one is screaming!)

My friends would like to send a song out to their boyfriend or girlfriend...
I would like to hear a security guard insisting on air that he or she can't say where he or she works...as the radio announcer(on a music station) tries to guess.

I will not shut up about this...outside of this complaint...the Jack music in most markets is pretty good...but many will buy or continue to use an ipod if Jack doesn't start taking requests...or another station down the dial will copy Jack...and take requests.

WHERE IS THE FUN OF RADIO????
JACK IS JUST AN INFOMERCIAL FOR IPODS "We play what we want"=get your own dammn ipod if you want to hear your song!

There's a Jack in Toronto, and there already was a Mix 999 there, and Mix is beating out JACK, at least in the morning...(but that may be apples to oranges, as Mix is new music driven, while Jack is Classic driven.) <P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Re: easy answer

Oldies cat is very disturbing, with NO respect for the way others feel about radio.

YES, Jack is about fast buck without the bodies...if you can't see that...please get help oldies cat.

New york is a fine example of that. I love many formats, but the elimination of oldies on 101 has terminated my decision to visit New York ever again.

Surely there was another station they could have used for the Jack format, and NO I AM NOT IN MY 40's or any older age!

There's also a very good chance that oldies cat has never listened to WCBS in New york in his life.

QUIT INSULTING THE TALENT THAT ONCE OCCUPIED FM 101 in NEW YORK AND GET HELP NOW!

SHOW SOME RESPECT FOR REAL RADIO!
AND QUIT PRAISING THE(Jack-no request) FORMAT WHEN THE MUSIC IS THE ONLY CHOICE ON THE DIAL for that format!

YES! I'M VERY PISSED...you seem to do the best job at driving me to that point!
<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by YeziKnoradio on 08/31/05 08:03 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: easy answer

> Oldies cat is very disturbing, with NO respect for the way
> others feel about radio.
>
> YES, Jack is about fast buck without the bodies...if you
> can't see that...please get help oldies cat.
>
> New york is a fine example of that. I love many formats, but
> the elimination of oldies on 101 has terminated my decision
> to visit New York ever again.


Yeah, Oldiescat gets carried away a bit in his praise of "Jack", but aren't you being just as bad here? OK, WCBS-FM is gone. It's just a radio station, get over it. If a not-especially-unique radio station is the only reason you have to visit a city (any city, not just NYC) you must lead a very dull life.


> Surely there was another station they could have used for
> the Jack format, and NO I AM NOT IN MY 40's or any older
> age!
>
> There's also a very good chance that oldies cat has never
> listened to WCBS in New york in his life.
>


I'm sure they could have switched another station, but they didn't. I've heard WCBS...it was an OK station, but certainly nothing I'd go out of my way to hear.


> QUIT INSULTING THE TALENT THAT ONCE OCCUPIED FM 101 in NEW
> YORK AND GET HELP NOW!
>


I don't recall him ever insulting anyone at WCBS. Examples?


>
> YES! I'M VERY PISSED...you seem to do the best job at
> driving me to that point!
>


Chill dude, life's too short to get all worked up about something so insignificant.
 
Re: easy answer

> Thank You OldiesCat, for speaking the truth about the radio
> biz and the Jack format. The jack format is here to stay
> IMHO for one reason, it's only a little thing that soooo
> many have forgotten about and it's called VARIETY.
>

Only time will tell if "Jack" is here to stay or if it's just another short-lived fad format like "Jammin'" or "real" oldies. Got a sneaky feeling that the playlists will be whittled down considerably as time goes on...a lot of those tunes went away for a reason. Once the novelty of hearing long-forgotten songs wears off we'll see how much "variety" listeners REALLY want to hear. Keep in mind that Jammin' oldies made a very big initial splash too.
 
Re: easy answer

> > Thank You OldiesCat, for speaking the truth about the
> radio
> > biz and the Jack format. The jack format is here to stay
> > IMHO for one reason, it's only a little thing that soooo
> > many have forgotten about and it's called VARIETY.
> >
>
> Only time will tell if "Jack" is here to stay or if it's
> just another short-lived fad format like "Jammin'" or "real"
> oldies. Got a sneaky feeling that the playlists will be
> whittled down considerably as time goes on...a lot of those
> tunes went away for a reason. Once the novelty of hearing
> long-forgotten songs wears off we'll see how much "variety"
> listeners REALLY want to hear. Keep in mind that Jammin'
> oldies made a very big initial splash too.
>

Right, I think that some people (including myself) are getting too excited about how Jack is doing. Will Jack become another Jammin Oldies? Like you said, time will tell.<P ID="signature">______________
Check my website www.freewebs.com/radiostuffandnews
</P>
 
easy answer

So, because I disagree with you I'm not allowed to say so? Because we have a difference of opinion it means I don't respect anybody and I piss you off? I'm noting Jack's early progress and you hate the format and that makes you hot?

What a wuss.
 
Jack results

I'm impressed with Jack's RESULTS. I think it's OK to want to give them a fair shot. The person you responded to not only CAN'T do that, he doesn't WANT to.
Which is fine- just don't attack me and insult my integrity simply because we disagree (not you Bobby- the other person).
>
>
> Yeah, Oldiescat gets carried away a bit in his praise of
> "Jack", but aren't you being just as bad here? OK, WCBS-FM
> is gone. It's just a radio station, get over it. If a
> not-especially-unique radio station is the only reason you
> have to visit a city (any city, not just NYC) you must lead
> a very dull life.
>
>
> > Surely there was another station they could have used for
> > the Jack format, and NO I AM NOT IN MY 40's or any older
> > age!
> >
> > There's also a very good chance that oldies cat has never
> > listened to WCBS in New york in his life.
> >
>
>
> I'm sure they could have switched another station, but they
> didn't. I've heard WCBS...it was an OK station, but
> certainly nothing I'd go out of my way to hear.
>
>
> > QUIT INSULTING THE TALENT THAT ONCE OCCUPIED FM 101 in NEW
>
> > YORK AND GET HELP NOW!
> >
>
>
> I don't recall him ever insulting anyone at WCBS. Examples?
>
>
>
> >
> > YES! I'M VERY PISSED...you seem to do the best job at
> > driving me to that point!
> >
>
>
> Chill dude, life's too short to get all worked up about
> something so insignificant.
>
 
Jack-jox

Not saying that at all- in fact, exactly the opposite. Not adding at least some personality aspect and service/info elements WILL make Jack just an iPod with commercials and I don't believe that is what they have in mind for the station.
But that's just my perspective- they seem to be doing just fine as-is AND if radio folks are getting all bent out of shape that the stations may go awhile without personalities, most of their reaction and rage comes from their insecurities.
>
>
> Are you saying jocks will not be added, at least for a very very long time?
>
> On a personal opinion side, I don't think radio should be an
> iPOD with commercials. And people, don't give me reasons
> like "but its a big money maker" etc. I just personally
> don't think radio should be like this. It can have the
> variety, but it would be better with jocks, information, etc.
 
Re: Jack-jox

I think a personality-oriented "Jack"-type format, especially with the right personalities, would make for very entertaining and compelling radio.

It would also be among the very top-rated stations in it's market.

I hope someone will try it.
 
Re: easy answer

> YES! I'M VERY PISSED...you seem to do the best job at
> driving me to that point!

Seems to me it's you that needs help. Oldies Cat was expressing a valid and emotionless point. You're post, on the other hand, makes one think you may be in need of anger management classes and a dose of reality.

Jack's not about saving money. It's about giving listeners what they have said they want. Ever read diary comments or view a perceptual study? The first thing that comes out is, listeners hate too many commercials. The second thing that's revealed, if it's not a song, most listeners consider it a freaking commercial! This happens station to station, market to market so it's not isolated.

Ever looked at a radio P&L? Eliminating all the jocks on a station isn't the profit maker you seem to imagine. Espcially when Jack stations are also cutting inventory to 8-10 spots an hour with virtually no added-value opportunities clients.

>QUIT INSULTING THE TALENT THAT ONCE OCCUPIED FM 101 in NEW YORK AND GET HELP >NOW

Oldies Cat didn't even bring up the airstaff. But since you did, put this in your pipe and inhale. I'm confident that each one of those jocks got paid regularly for the length of their employment at the station. As long as they did, nobody owes them ANYTHING.

Why is it when someone get's cut loose it's some kind of tragedy and they deserved better treatment from management or the company. But when a jock jumps ship and goes across town for a couple grand more a year nobody stands up to say what a rotten thing they did to the company that spent time, effort and money developing and marketing them. This sense of entitlement is sickening.
 
Jack-jox

You can count on it.


> I think a personality-oriented "Jack"-type format,
> especially with the right personalities, would make for very
> entertaining and compelling radio.
>
> I hope someone will try it.
>
 
Re: easy answer

Olies cat wrote:

> why go "Jack"? To give listeners something fresh & new. To
> fulfill a need for more than 200 song playlists and jocks
> saying the same thing (often listening to themselves) over &
> over, day after day. An alternative to "ten in a row", "the
> most music" and "classic rock that really rocks". Something
> DIFFERENT.

WCBS FM was better than that. <P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Re: easy answer

> > YES! I'M VERY PISSED...you seem to do the best job at
> > driving me to that point!
>
> Seems to me it's you that needs help. Oldies Cat was
> expressing a valid and emotionless point. You're post, on
> the other hand, makes one think you may be in need of anger
> management classes and a dose of reality.
>
> Jack's not about saving money. It's about giving listeners
> what they have said they want. Ever read diary comments or
> view a perceptual study? The first thing that comes out is,
> listeners hate too many commercials. The second thing
> that's revealed, if it's not a song, most listeners consider
> it a freaking commercial! This happens station to station,
> market to market so it's not isolated.

YET 150 people in New York (I guess that's 5 percent of their listeners, huh?) showed up and whined "Where's my station?"
>
> Ever looked at a radio P&L? Eliminating all the jocks on a
> station isn't the profit maker you seem to imagine.
> Espcially when Jack stations are also cutting inventory to
> 8-10 spots an hour with virtually no added-value
> opportunities clients.
>
> >QUIT INSULTING THE TALENT THAT ONCE OCCUPIED FM 101 in NEW
> YORK AND GET HELP >NOW
>
> Oldies Cat didn't even bring up the airstaff. But since you
> did, put this in your pipe and inhale. I'm confident that
> each one of those jocks got paid regularly for the length of
> their employment at the station. As long as they did,
> nobody owes them ANYTHING.

The problem is that he refered to ALL air staff at all stations that are now Jack, instead of respecting stations that may have had good talent.
He is valid in refering to some stations that are now Jack, perhaps, but not all.(see above posting)
I'm sorry you thought I was smoking something.



<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Re: Jack-jox

> You can count on it.

WHEN????
Jack Toronto HAD a morning, mid day, Evening, and week-end staff.
Pat C. (PD there) let all but morning and afternoon drive go, only a year or so into the format.
To quote Pat C.: "Those openings will not be filled"

Buffalo's Jack...too early for comment...I'll let Stern finish his run first.
(Highest respects granted to Stern fans)
I do hope they find a morning show (local or not) that ends sooner than Stern currently does, for those who may want music at 9:00 for the work place. (work places where Jack fits in, respectfully.)

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