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no kiss 98.5 in toronto soon..

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I was reading on the CRTC website that Toronto might be getting a low powered station on 98.7 in the near feature...a licence has been applied to a station that specializes in carribean/soca/reggae music...If this goes through, Kiss 98.5 might not be able to heard in some areas of Toronto. What is going on here? Is Toronto blocking out Buffalo station by applying for these low powered stations which might not even generate a 1 share in the book.


I hope no one takes over the 96.7 spot as I want to hear 97 rock.
 
> I was reading on the CRTC website that Toronto might be
> getting a low powered station on 98.7 in the near
> feature...a licence has been applied to a station that
> specializes in carribean/soca/reggae music...If this goes
> through, Kiss 98.5 might not be able to heard in some areas
> of Toronto. What is going on here? Is Toronto blocking out
> Buffalo station by applying for these low powered stations
> which might not even generate a 1 share in the book.

It may be possible that the CRTC is eroding protection of American stations as a matter of policy. This station would never be licensed if it created interference with another Canadian station. Depending on how its pattern is configured and where its transmitter is located, it could even create interference with Kiss 98.5 in northern Niagara County, NY within that station's primary coverage area.

Up to now the degradation of protection of American signals has marginally affected the secondary countour of a couple of Rochester FMs with co-channel or adjacent channel Toronto FMs that really technically shouldn't have been licensed. But this one could encroach on a Buffalo market FM's primary contour. This precedent could give the FCC a pretext to retaliate by allowing WINS on 1010 and WEPN on 1050 in NYC to loosen their nighttime DA patterns or even go nondirectional, which would cause a total mess in the heart of the Toronto AM band. And other American AMs protecting Canadian AMs could also end up getting the OK to loosen up their patterns. I don't think the CRTC really wants a border radio conflict but it could be setting up the stage for one if it allows the rules to be repeatedly broken.
 
You know ..YEARS ago .. until the mid 90's ...WKSE .. mighty kiss 98.5 was a powerhouse signal heard very WELL from the mississauga/brampton area right thru newmarket and somtimes clearly in stereo in barrie where i lived at the time ..

but nowadays ..with all the new signals out there it is Choppy at best until you're say at avenue road/yonge street / lawrence and eastward .. and it's at it's strongest around Ajax/pickering/east end.. where oddly enough Z103 kinda gets staticy .. as if to say ..that 98.5 is the only CHR in car choice for fans in the eastern gta regions..

98.5 from kitchener recently got a big signal boost which now interferes greatly with kiss 98.5's signal anywhere in the west end of the airport /brampton etc.. even as far down as hamilton where it used tobe clear as bell..

anyhow .. yes i think their days are numbered..too bad ..they've always been a GREAT station to listen to ..

but i think it will continue to be clear in the east regions..



> > I was reading on the CRTC website that Toronto might be
> > getting a low powered station on 98.7 in the near
> > feature...a licence has been applied to a station that
> > specializes in carribean/soca/reggae music...If this goes
> > through, Kiss 98.5 might not be able to heard in some
> areas
> > of Toronto. What is going on here? Is Toronto blocking
> out
> > Buffalo station by applying for these low powered stations
>
> > which might not even generate a 1 share in the book.
>
> It may be possible that the CRTC is eroding protection of
> American stations as a matter of policy. This station would
> never be licensed if it created interference with another
> Canadian station. Depending on how its pattern is configured
> and where its transmitter is located, it could even create
> interference with Kiss 98.5 in northern Niagara County, NY
> within that station's primary coverage area.
>
> Up to now the degradation of protection of American signals
> has marginally affected the secondary countour of a couple
> of Rochester FMs with co-channel or adjacent channel Toronto
> FMs that really technically shouldn't have been licensed.
> But this one could encroach on a Buffalo market FM's primary
> contour. This precedent could give the FCC a pretext to
> retaliate by allowing WINS on 1010 and WEPN on 1050 in NYC
> to loosen their nighttime DA patterns or even go
> nondirectional, which would cause a total mess in the heart
> of the Toronto AM band. And other American AMs protecting
> Canadian AMs could also end up getting the OK to loosen up
> their patterns. I don't think the CRTC really wants a border
> radio conflict but it could be setting up the stage for one
> if it allows the rules to be repeatedly broken.
>
 
> Up to now the degradation of protection of American signals
> has marginally affected the secondary countour of a couple
> of Rochester FMs with co-channel or adjacent channel Toronto
> FMs that really technically shouldn't have been licensed.
> But this one could encroach on a Buffalo market FM's primary
> contour. This precedent could give the FCC a pretext to
> retaliate by allowing WINS on 1010 and WEPN on 1050 in NYC
> to loosen their nighttime DA patterns or even go
> nondirectional, which would cause a total mess in the heart
> of the Toronto AM band.

You forgot to mention WSEN-AM in Baldwinsville/Syracuse on 1050.
I am sure they would like to get an increase in night power currently at 18 watts after post sunset 500 watts and a strong 2,500 watts durring the day. I am sure they would be satisfied with 500 watts nondirectional at night.
 
Perhaps this is retribution for 102.1 Albion nipping away at the edges of the Edge's signal. Used to get a very listenable signal as far west as Rochester (especially towards Lake Ontario). Now once you hit Batavia, it's all pay-for pray.
 
> I was reading on the CRTC website that Toronto might be
> getting a low powered station on 98.7 in the near
> feature...a licence has been applied to a station that
> specializes in carribean/soca/reggae music...If this goes
> through, Kiss 98.5 might not be able to heard in some areas
> of Toronto. What is going on here? Is Toronto blocking out
> Buffalo station by applying for these low powered stations
> which might not even generate a 1 share in the book.
>
>
> I hope no one takes over the 96.7 spot as I want to hear 97
> rock.
>

Some college in Etobicoke has a low power station at 96.9 FM too.
 
Its the CRTC's ever obsessive nature of keeping good programming out of the hands of Canadians.

I remeber the time the CRTC said the only two frequencies left in Toronto were 93.5 and 106.5, now applicants are pulling them out of every little bit of spectrum possible.
 
> Its the CRTC's ever obsessive nature of keeping good
> programming out of the hands of Canadians.
>
> I remeber the time the CRTC said the only two frequencies
> left in Toronto were 93.5 and 106.5, now applicants are
> pulling them out of every little bit of spectrum possible.
>
The GTA is becoming a fm wasteland.You have good reception on the Toronto major stations and adjacent channel interfence on every other channel.Thats good management, ha!
 
> I hope no one takes over the 96.7 spot as I want to hear 97
> rock.
>
I've forgotten how far away from Toronto Stouville is, but if Star 102 reaches out that far, it won't for long(most likely)...

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Kiss 98.5 comes in crystal clear from where I live as I am near the top of a high rise...I can get most of the FM's from Buffalo real clear.


> You know ..YEARS ago .. until the mid 90's ...WKSE .. mighty
> kiss 98.5 was a powerhouse signal heard very WELL from the
> mississauga/brampton area right thru newmarket and somtimes
> clearly in stereo in barrie where i lived at the time ..
>
> but nowadays ..with all the new signals out there it is
> Choppy at best until you're say at avenue road/yonge street
> / lawrence and eastward .. and it's at it's strongest around
> Ajax/pickering/east end.. where oddly enough Z103 kinda gets
> staticy .. as if to say ..that 98.5 is the only CHR in car
> choice for fans in the eastern gta regions..
>
> 98.5 from kitchener recently got a big signal boost which
> now interferes greatly with kiss 98.5's signal anywhere in
> the west end of the airport /brampton etc.. even as far
> down as hamilton where it used tobe clear as bell..
>
> anyhow .. yes i think their days are numbered..too bad
> ..they've always been a GREAT station to listen to ..
>
> but i think it will continue to be clear in the east
> regions..
>
>
>
> > > I was reading on the CRTC website that Toronto might be
> > > getting a low powered station on 98.7 in the near
> > > feature...a licence has been applied to a station that
> > > specializes in carribean/soca/reggae music...If this
> goes
> > > through, Kiss 98.5 might not be able to heard in some
> > areas
> > > of Toronto. What is going on here? Is Toronto blocking
>
> > out
> > > Buffalo station by applying for these low powered
> stations
> >
> > > which might not even generate a 1 share in the book.
> >
> > It may be possible that the CRTC is eroding protection of
> > American stations as a matter of policy. This station
> would
> > never be licensed if it created interference with another
> > Canadian station. Depending on how its pattern is
> configured
> > and where its transmitter is located, it could even create
>
> > interference with Kiss 98.5 in northern Niagara County, NY
>
> > within that station's primary coverage area.
> >
> > Up to now the degradation of protection of American
> signals
> > has marginally affected the secondary countour of a couple
>
> > of Rochester FMs with co-channel or adjacent channel
> Toronto
> > FMs that really technically shouldn't have been licensed.
> > But this one could encroach on a Buffalo market FM's
> primary
> > contour. This precedent could give the FCC a pretext to
> > retaliate by allowing WINS on 1010 and WEPN on 1050 in NYC
>
> > to loosen their nighttime DA patterns or even go
> > nondirectional, which would cause a total mess in the
> heart
> > of the Toronto AM band. And other American AMs protecting
> > Canadian AMs could also end up getting the OK to loosen up
>
> > their patterns. I don't think the CRTC really wants a
> border
> > radio conflict but it could be setting up the stage for
> one
> > if it allows the rules to be repeatedly broken.
> >
>
 
The Answer!

> Kiss 98.5 comes in crystal clear from where I live as I am
> near the top of a high rise...I can get most of the FM's
> from Buffalo real clear.

There's your answer, Buffalo radio fans from the True North. Perpetual party at agreenbe's!

BYOB
 
Crossborder FM reception - it's not 1985 anymore!

> I was reading on the CRTC website that Toronto might be
> getting a low powered station on 98.7 in the near
> feature...a licence has been applied to a station that
> specializes in carribean/soca/reggae music...If this goes
> through, Kiss 98.5 might not be able to heard in some areas
> of Toronto. What is going on here? Is Toronto blocking out
> Buffalo station by applying for these low powered stations
> which might not even generate a 1 share in the book.

First point, before anyone gets too alarmed about this "98.7" - read the CRTC decision a little more closely and you'll see that while the CRTC granted a license for this new station, it specifically stated that it could NOT use 98.7 and would have to find a new frequency before it can go on the air.

That, however, has nothing to do with Kiss and everything to do with being second-adjacent to CBLA at 99.1.

Sometime in the early nineties, the US and Canada mutually agreed to stop protecting each other's FM signals at the border. As far as the FCC is concerned, CFNY's 102.1 signal simply does not exist in Albion, and as far as the CRTC is concerned, WKSE's 98.5 signal does not exist in Toronto.

The rules still say that a Canadian signal can't interfere with a US signal on US soil, and vice versa, and that's kept the dials from getting too messy in areas like Vancouver/Seattle and Montreal/Plattsburgh-Burlington.

Buffalo/Toronto, however, is a special case, because of the way the rules are written and because the transmitters are so close to the border. 102.1 is a great example of this. In order for the Albion 102.1 signal to be interfering with CFNY on Canadian soil, it would have to have a desired/undesired signal ratio of less than 40 dBu on Canadian soil. In other words, 102.1 Albion's 60 dBu contour (city-grade reception, basically) would have to overlap with CFNY's 100 dBu (really, really strong) contour. But because CFNY's transmitter is right on the edge of Lake Ontario, at the CN Tower, its 100 dBu contour comes right up to the border, so as long as Albion's 60 dBu never touches Canadian soil - which it doesn't - there's no problem with Canadian regulators. (Interference over the lake doesn't count, either.)

In the other direction, this principle allowed Canada to put a whole slew of signals on the air in Kitchener-Waterloo, Cambridge, London and vicinity that were co-channel with the Buffalo signals. Again, as long as their 60 dBu contours fell even one inch short of the border, they weren't considered to be interfering with the Buffalo stations on US soil.

In the real world, of course, it's not that simple, and many of those stations discovered that the actual received interference FROM Buffalo was a major headache. Several have changed frequency as a result, though the CRTC has then gone and reused the Buffalo channels for new signals, which then experience the same headaches. And the beat goes on...<P ID="signature">______________
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I think this might have been talked about once before, so forgive me if I'm rehashing an old subject. But is the WNED-FM (94.5) signal still audible in Toronto at all? Even with the rules the way they are now, I find it hard to beleive that the blowtorch WNED signal would not cause interference on Canadian soil, especially to CIWV-FM in Hamilton on 94.7. Why else would that station have asked for two power boosts since it signed on?

At least you guys still have 94.1 to listen to.

> > Its the CRTC's ever obsessive nature of keeping good
> > programming out of the hands of Canadians.
> >
> > I remeber the time the CRTC said the only two frequencies
> > left in Toronto were 93.5 and 106.5, now applicants are
> > pulling them out of every little bit of spectrum possible.
>
> >
> The GTA is becoming a fm wasteland.You have good reception
> on the Toronto major stations and adjacent channel
> interfence on every other channel.Thats good management, ha!
>
 
> Is the WNED-FM (94.5) signal still audible in Toronto at all? Even
> with the rules the way they are now, I find it hard to
> beleive that the blowtorch WNED signal would not cause
> interference on Canadian soil, especially to CIWV-FM in
> Hamilton on 94.7. Why else would that station have asked for
> two power boosts since it signed on?
> At least you guys still have 94.1 to listen to.

Wave 94.7 eats into the 94.5 signal now, depending on where you are in Toronto, thanks to CRTC approval for them to boost their signal. <P ID="signature">______________
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