No Market is Perfect

[Power91]

(n.b. rather than getting lost in the current WCRB thread, I just figured I'd start a new one)...

It will be sad for Boston to lose one of the most successful classical stations in the country. And yes it will add to the list of format holes in Boston: Dance, Spanish, Urban AC, Jazz, and now Classical...

However, no market is perfect, and this seems to be the case everywhere. I grew up near Boston, and now live down in the NYC metro area. New York, as the nation's largest market, currently lacks: Rock, Alternative, AAA, Country, Oldies...

Sales execs and programmers can argue over whether or not there is an audience for certain formats, if there's money in it, etc....and of course there'll always be people who aren't happy (I was quite sad when Entercom dumped Star 93.7 for Mike)...but the market will on...and if there really is enough demand and effort, someone will bring things back...

~RM

 

[raccoonradio]

> (n.b. rather than getting lost in the current WCRB thread, I
> just figured I'd start a new one)...
>
> It will be sad for Boston to lose one of the most successful
> classical stations in the country.

Classical may survive on WCRB till the fall, says Scott Fybush in this
week's NERW:

http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html

"Is Greater Media having trouble putting together a deal for WCRB that will pass muster with Charles River Broadcasting, and with the trust established by the station's late founder, Rev. Theodore Jones, that (reportedly) required classical programming to somehow be preserved until late into the century? We're hearing from within WCRB that staffers remain in limbo - but that they now expect to continue doing classical until at least sometime this fall."

But, still on 102.5, or on 99.5? 92.9?

 

[AlanShore]

SAVE 'CRB

Get those bumper stickers going:
"SAVE 'CRB"


> > (n.b. rather than getting lost in the current WCRB thread,
> I
> > just figured I'd start a new one)...
> >
> > It will be sad for Boston to lose one of the most
> successful
> > classical stations in the country.
>
> Classical may survive on WCRB till the fall, says Scott
> Fybush in this
> week's NERW:
>
> http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html
>
> "Is Greater Media having trouble putting together a deal for
> WCRB that will pass muster with Charles River Broadcasting,
> and with the trust established by the station's late
> founder, Rev. Theodore Jones, that (reportedly) required
> classical programming to somehow be preserved until late
> into the century? We're hearing from within WCRB that
> staffers remain in limbo - but that they now expect to
> continue doing classical until at least sometime this fall."
>
>
> But, still on 102.5, or on 99.5? 92.9?
>

 

[CTListener]

Re: SAVE 'CRB

I remember doing my part to save WCAS during their one of its crises in the '70s -- even dropped a few bucks in a jar on the front desk of WCAS' Central Square headquarters!

> Get those bumper stickers going:
> "SAVE 'CRB"
>
>
> > > (n.b. rather than getting lost in the current WCRB
> thread,
> > I
> > > just figured I'd start a new one)...
> > >
> > > It will be sad for Boston to lose one of the most
> > successful
> > > classical stations in the country.
> >
> > Classical may survive on WCRB till the fall, says Scott
> > Fybush in this
> > week's NERW:
> >
> > http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html
> >
> > "Is Greater Media having trouble putting together a deal
> for
> > WCRB that will pass muster with Charles River
> Broadcasting,
> > and with the trust established by the station's late
> > founder, Rev. Theodore Jones, that (reportedly) required
> > classical programming to somehow be preserved until late
> > into the century? We're hearing from within WCRB that
> > staffers remain in limbo - but that they now expect to
> > continue doing classical until at least sometime this
> fall."
> >
> >
> > But, still on 102.5, or on 99.5? 92.9?
> >
>

 

[chitchatjf]

>
>
> However, no market is perfect, and this seems to be the case
> everywhere. I grew up near Boston, and now live down in the
> NYC metro area. New York, as the nation's largest market,
> currently lacks: Rock, Alternative, AAA, Country, Oldies...
>
>
Boston has NEVER had a TRUE FM RnB station until maybe WILD-FM. 94.5 is generally aLL RAP!

I thought Kiss 108 was going to be just that in the early 80s as they still played rhythum tracks other top 40 stations wouldn't touch.

 

[Eli Polonsky]

> However, no market is perfect, and this seems to be the case
> everywhere. I grew up near Boston, and now live down in the
> NYC metro area. New York, as the nation's largest market,
> currently lacks: Rock, Alternative, AAA, Country, Oldies...

WFUV 90.7 serves as NYC's AAA as a professional non-comm. Same in Philadelphia with WXPN.

 

[channelsurf]

Re: SAVE 'CRB

Not once...but twice....WCAS and its citizen's groups thwarted take over attempts, by religious broadcasters....hmmm...how times have changed....I remember...I distributed some of those save WCAS petitions, too....


of
> its crises in the '70s -- even dropped a few bucks in a jar
> on the front desk of WCAS' Central Square headquarters!
>
> > Get those bumper stickers going:
> > "SAVE 'CRB"
> >
> >
> > > > (n.b. rather than getting lost in the current WCRB
> > thread,
> > > I
> > > > just figured I'd start a new one)...
> > > >
> > > > It will be sad for Boston to lose one of the most
> > > successful
> > > > classical stations in the country.
> > >
> > > Classical may survive on WCRB till the fall, says Scott
> > > Fybush in this
> > > week's NERW:
> > >
> > > http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html
> > >
> > > "Is Greater Media having trouble putting together a deal
>
> > for
> > > WCRB that will pass muster with Charles River
> > Broadcasting,
> > > and with the trust established by the station's late
> > > founder, Rev. Theodore Jones, that (reportedly) required
>
> > > classical programming to somehow be preserved until late
>
> > > into the century? We're hearing from within WCRB that
> > > staffers remain in limbo - but that they now expect to
> > > continue doing classical until at least sometime this
> > fall."
> > >
> > >
> > > But, still on 102.5, or on 99.5? 92.9?
> > >
> >
>

 

[JustinT]

> > However, no market is perfect, and this seems to be the
> case
> > everywhere. I grew up near Boston, and now live down in
> the
> > NYC metro area. New York, as the nation's largest market,
> > currently lacks: Rock, Alternative, AAA, Country,
> Oldies...
>
> WFUV 90.7 serves as NYC's AAA as a professional non-comm.
> Same in Philadelphia with WXPN.
>

There's also rimshot AAA on WXPK 107.1 in New York (the former country outlet Y-107); though they're now targeting the Westchester County area, you can hear them in some areas of the city.

 

[4CX1000A]

Scott's wrong. The delay has nothing to do with Ted Jones or his will. It's all about dollars, I think.

Keep your eye on WKLB; when that sells, WCRB will not be far behind.

 

[argytunes]

> > > However, no market is perfect, and this seems to be the
> > case
> > > everywhere. I grew up near Boston, and now live down in
> > the
> > > NYC metro area. New York, as the nation's largest
> market,
> > > currently lacks: Rock, Alternative, AAA, Country,
> > Oldies...


I don't think any of us....in or out of the business....EXPECT ANY MARKET TO BE 100% PERFECT?

But listeners and advertisers will only support (aka "tolerate") so many format promises. Sadly...when all of the above formats you mentioned are constantly "shotgunned by a canned sweeper liner"---and the follow-up song doesn't measure up to the previous one...the radio station has LOST! Actually, it's often difficult to tell one radio station format from another because of all the "hyperventillating" I'm referencing some of the pre-recorded jocks who feel they need to YELL AT US in order to get their call letters out!

Maybe these are a few of the reasons why the 2 satellite services are becoming so successful? There's plenty of variation in their programming and A LOT LESS CLUTTER! And you know what? Most listeners don't seem to mind paying a monthly subscription fee for programming that THEY WANT TO HEAR!

argytunes