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No more breasts n no more flag burnin'

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This is important to us because it involves freedom.

The flag stands for the liberty of the people to express themselves, if this ammendment is passed, then the flag is just what it is, a flag... It will still stand for something, the past, the sacrifices made, the hard work of a country to have that freedom, once existed called America, where people were free to show how they felt, even if someone didn't like it, by burning the very symbol that represented the right to do so.

Veterans fought for your right to burn the flag in protest.


I have never burned the flag, i personally wouldn't do it myself, but hold nothing against anyone who makes the decision to do so, if they feel the need to express.

The dumb thing is, if this ammendment passes, people like me might give it more thought.
 
I to am not in favor of anyone burning the flag, but I must agree with you that people should have the freedom to express themselves and if that means burning a flag then so be it. I would rather have somebody stand in the street and burn a flag in protest than to have them park a truck full of explosives in front of a Federal Building to make their point.


> This is important to us because it involves freedom.
>
> The flag stands for the liberty of the people to express
> themselves, if this ammendment is passed, then the flag is
> just what it is, a flag... It will still stand for
> something, the past, the sacrifices made, the hard work of a
> country to have that freedom, once existed called America,
> where people were free to show how they felt, even if
> someone didn't like it, by burning the very symbol that
> represented the right to do so.
>
> Veterans fought for your right to burn the flag in protest.
>
>
> I have never burned the flag, i personally wouldn't do it
> myself, but hold nothing against anyone who makes the
> decision to do so, if they feel the need to express.
>
> The dumb thing is, if this ammendment passes, people like me
> might give it more thought.
>
 
> I to am not in favor of anyone burning the flag, but I must
> agree with you that people should have the freedom to
> express themselves and if that means burning a flag then so
> be it. I would rather have somebody stand in the street and
> burn a flag in protest than to have them park a truck full
> of explosives in front of a Federal Building to make their
> point.
>
Good point,

I would like to read from people who want to ban flag burning, the online poll I saw said about 65 percent think it should be banned. I would like to hear where they are coming from.
 
> This is important to us because it involves freedom.
>
> The flag stands for the liberty of the people to express
> themselves, if this ammendment is passed, then the flag is
> just what it is, a flag... It will still stand for
> something, the past, the sacrifices made, the hard work of a
> country to have that freedom, once existed called America,
> where people were free to show how they felt, even if
> someone didn't like it, by burning the very symbol that
> represented the right to do so.
>
> Veterans fought for your right to burn the flag in protest.
>
>
> I have never burned the flag, i personally wouldn't do it
> myself, but hold nothing against anyone who makes the
> decision to do so, if they feel the need to express.
>
> The dumb thing is, if this ammendment passes, people like me
> might give it more thought.

I burned a tiny US flag outside tonight over my grill only because these whiny Republican politicians, who-well, c'mon! Look around you at street level. Notice the crumbling infrastructure? There's thousands of new jobs right there we could be creating. And who's business is it of theirs if gay people get married? If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry gay people! I could honestly think of million better things for these blabbering idiots to be doing on the all-important taxpayer dollars they're doing an absolutely sh--ty job of managing so much better than the Democrats than making totally irrelevant bills compared to the REAL problems domestically America is facing.

What all these Wal-Mart patriots seem to forget is those veterans fought and died for AMERICA, AMERICANS and ANERICAN INTERESTS. Not a piece of cloth.

And notice in all this BS about flag desecration that everybody that uses the flag for commercial purposes are never mentioned? As an American taxpayer, I'm much more disgusted with the flag being made into underwear for example. Or throwaway paper plates and cups. If our veterans really fought and died for that flag, it's a far more abhorrent way to remember what they died for than burning it.

The flag is a symbol of the United States, nothing more. Our veterans died for a hell of a lot more than just a symbol and right now, there's a hell of a lot bigger problems we have in America than people burning the flag. Never forget that.

>
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I'm quite conservative but this is bogus to the max.

The thing people who served were supposed to be standing up for (myself included), was the right for some rumpbandit idiot to be able to do exactly that..burn a flag if they so desire.

That said, if you're going to be stupid enough to burn one near me, I'm going to assert my right to assume I'm in danger of being burned and take appropriate action to negate the threat.
 
A quote from Bill Maher: Flag burning makes me feel patriotic.

Why is no one talking about breasts? Even Ken Schram had the nerve to talk about breasts, and Bob Rivers and Spike O'Neil debated the issue (drip, drip). Of course, lactation is supposed to be different from Flash Friday, but an exposed breast is still an exposed breast. As for me, I couldn't care less if anyone exposes breasts regardless of the reason.

Taking a stand against something is a sure way to offer more attention to those whose opinions differ from yours.

> > I to am not in favor of anyone burning the flag, but I
> must
> > agree with you that people should have the freedom to
> > express themselves and if that means burning a flag then
> so
> > be it. I would rather have somebody stand in the street
> and
> > burn a flag in protest than to have them park a truck full
>
> > of explosives in front of a Federal Building to make their
>
> > point.
> >
> Good point,
>
> I would like to read from people who want to ban flag
> burning, the online poll I saw said about 65 percent think
> it should be banned. I would like to hear where they are
> coming from.
>
 
> > This is important to us because it involves freedom.
> >
> > The flag stands for the liberty of the people to express
> > themselves, if this ammendment is passed, then the flag is
>
> > just what it is, a flag... It will still stand for
> > something, the past, the sacrifices made, the hard work of
> a
> > country to have that freedom, once existed called America,
>
> > where people were free to show how they felt, even if
> > someone didn't like it, by burning the very symbol that
> > represented the right to do so.
> >
> > Veterans fought for your right to burn the flag in
> protest.
> >
> >
> > I have never burned the flag, i personally wouldn't do it
> > myself, but hold nothing against anyone who makes the
> > decision to do so, if they feel the need to express.
> >
> > The dumb thing is, if this ammendment passes, people like
> me
> > might give it more thought.
>
> I burned a tiny US flag outside tonight over my grill only
> because these whiny Republican politicians, who-well, c'mon!
> Look around you at street level. Notice the crumbling
> infrastructure? There's thousands of new jobs right there we
> could be creating. And who's business is it of theirs if gay
> people get married? If you don't like gay marriage, don't
> marry gay people! I could honestly think of million better
> things for these blabbering idiots to be doing on the
> all-important taxpayer dollars they're doing an absolutely
> sh--ty job of managing so much better than the Democrats
> than making totally irrelevant bills compared to the REAL
> problems domestically America is facing.
>
> What all these Wal-Mart patriots seem to forget is those
> veterans fought and died for AMERICA, AMERICANS and ANERICAN
> INTERESTS. Not a piece of cloth.
>
> And notice in all this BS about flag desecration that
> everybody that uses the flag for commercial purposes are
> never mentioned? As an American taxpayer, I'm much more
> disgusted with the flag being made into underwear for
> example. Or throwaway paper plates and cups. If our veterans
> really fought and died for that flag, it's a far more
> abhorrent way to remember what they died for than burning
> it.
>
> The flag is a symbol of the United States, nothing more. Our
> veterans died for a hell of a lot more than just a symbol
> and right now, there's a hell of a lot bigger problems we
> have in America than people burning the flag. Never forget
> that.
>
> >
>
Could not have said it better.

Thanks Larry,

PS things are going well here. Hope the same for you and yours.
 
Just gettin' KOZI....

> > > This is important to us because it involves freedom.
> > >
> > > The flag stands for the liberty of the people to express
>
> > > themselves, if this ammendment is passed, then the flag
> is
> >
> > > just what it is, a flag... It will still stand for
> > > something, the past, the sacrifices made, the hard work
> of
> > a
> > > country to have that freedom, once existed called
> America,
> >
> > > where people were free to show how they felt, even if
> > > someone didn't like it, by burning the very symbol that
> > > represented the right to do so.
> > >
> > > Veterans fought for your right to burn the flag in
> > protest.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have never burned the flag, i personally wouldn't do
> it
> > > myself, but hold nothing against anyone who makes the
> > > decision to do so, if they feel the need to express.
> > >
> > > The dumb thing is, if this ammendment passes, people
> like
> > me
> > > might give it more thought.
> >
> > I burned a tiny US flag outside tonight over my grill only
>
> > because these whiny Republican politicians, who-well,
> c'mon!
> > Look around you at street level. Notice the crumbling
> > infrastructure? There's thousands of new jobs right there
> we
> > could be creating. And who's business is it of theirs if
> gay
> > people get married? If you don't like gay marriage, don't
> > marry gay people! I could honestly think of million better
>
> > things for these blabbering idiots to be doing on the
> > all-important taxpayer dollars they're doing an absolutely
>
> > sh--ty job of managing so much better than the Democrats
> > than making totally irrelevant bills compared to the REAL
> > problems domestically America is facing.
> >
> > What all these Wal-Mart patriots seem to forget is those
> > veterans fought and died for AMERICA, AMERICANS and
> ANERICAN
> > INTERESTS. Not a piece of cloth.
> >
> > And notice in all this BS about flag desecration that
> > everybody that uses the flag for commercial purposes are
> > never mentioned? As an American taxpayer, I'm much more
> > disgusted with the flag being made into underwear for
> > example. Or throwaway paper plates and cups. If our
> veterans
> > really fought and died for that flag, it's a far more
> > abhorrent way to remember what they died for than burning
> > it.
> >
> > The flag is a symbol of the United States, nothing more.
> Our
> > veterans died for a hell of a lot more than just a symbol
> > and right now, there's a hell of a lot bigger problems we
> > have in America than people burning the flag. Never forget
>
> > that.
> >
> > >
> >
> Could not have said it better.
>
> Thanks Larry,
>
> PS things are going well here. Hope the same for you and
> yours.
>

Things are OK up here in Mount Vernon. The weather can't seem to make up it's mind. You can imagine how it is for Steve Pool.

We sent the kids to Grandma and had our anniversary party tonight and after a night of driving the neighbors crazy with the squeaky mattress springs and banging headboard (we live in a HOUSE), I'm sitting back here nibbling on some leftover pizza (post-toke munchies) and having a Squirt with Tanqueray and checking out this board....and listening to KOZI.

We've been listening to KOZI (1230 AM/93.5 FM), Chelan a lot on the internet (on the computer hooked to our stereo) KOZI is a GREAT and LOCAL station for the Lake Chelan area. They have a format that varies through AAA, AC, blues, country and Classic Rock cuts and tosses in some selected alternative and CHR cuts, North Central Washington local artists and ACTUALLY MAKES IT WORK. I can listen to them for hours.

Their imaging (voiced by NW voice-over king, Joe Michaels), as well as news and public service programming are strictly local and have local jocks.

And it sounds a HELL of a lot better than JACK!

Check 'em out!

http://www.kozi.com/

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> > I to am not in favor of anyone burning the flag, but I
> must
> > agree with you that people should have the freedom to
> > express themselves and if that means burning a flag then
> so
> > be it. I would rather have somebody stand in the street
> and
> > burn a flag in protest than to have them park a truck full
>
> > of explosives in front of a Federal Building to make their
>
> > point.
> >
> Good point,
>
> I would like to read from people who want to ban flag
> burning, the online poll I saw said about 65 percent think
> it should be banned. I would like to hear where they are
> coming from.

I for one am not in favor of burning the flag, but I do agree way too much time has been spent on this subject.

I see our flag as a symbol of our wonderful country and personally would never do such a thing. Do I think it should be against the law? I do. And I shall end this post on this note.

Whenever I hear of people burning the American Flag, what first comes to my mind are the images of a group of people in the middle east, I beleive in Pakistan, celebrating the September 11th attacks. They were overjoyed, clapping and celebrating and...burning our flag. It brought tears to my eyes.
 
I moment from the TV Series "The West Wing" comes to mind.

As the President is listening to a group of people who want to ban flag burning he asks "Is there an outbreak of flag burning in this country that he is not aware of?" he then goes on to say that aren't there much more serious and pressing issues that our elected officials should focus their attention on.


>
> I for one am not in favor of burning the flag, but I do
> agree way too much time has been spent on this subject.
>
> I see our flag as a symbol of our wonderful country and
> personally would never do such a thing. Do I think it should
> be against the law? I do. And I shall end this post on this
> note.
>
> Whenever I hear of people burning the American Flag, what
> first comes to my mind are the images of a group of people
> in the middle east, I beleive in Pakistan, celebrating the
> September 11th attacks. They were overjoyed, clapping and
> celebrating and...burning our flag. It brought tears to my
> eyes.
>
 
>
> I for one am not in favor of burning the flag, but I do
> agree way too much time has been spent on this subject.
>
> I see our flag as a symbol of our wonderful country and
> personally would never do such a thing. Do I think it should
> be against the law? I do. And I shall end this post on this
> note.
>
> Whenever I hear of people burning the American Flag, what
> first comes to my mind are the images of a group of people
> in the middle east, I beleive in Pakistan, celebrating the
> September 11th attacks. They were overjoyed, clapping and
> celebrating and...burning our flag. It brought tears to my
> eyes.
>

I understand where you are coming from, to see people celebrate something that horrible is heartbreaking. there is a big difference between someone burning the flag to symbolize something of that nature, and someone burning the flag to show they are in a dissagreement with our current establishment.
As the other person said, when does it reach the boilng point to cause someone to do horrific things, we should still allow an expression that is non-violent so violent things are a little less prone to happen, when feelings of anger get pent up they need an outlet.

If they ban Flag burning, whats next, Jail time for anyone who doesn't agree with whatever the government does, or the ax for stations like KPTK AA.


PS: the group of people in pakistan was very small, and the majority of the people there mourned with us. Media can do strange things with public opinion by showing footage like that. Remember they showed footage of some of our troops clapping and laughing after they leveled some place, they are a very small minority, compared to most of our honorable troops over there who are absolutley grief stricken to see the results of ignorance.
 
Very well said, I guess in my mind I would rather have a group of protesters burning a flag in the street in a non-violent protest if they feel that is what they have to do to be heard rather than have that same group do something much more violent and radical in protest.


> I understand where you are coming from, to see people
> celebrate something that horrible is heartbreaking. there
> is a big difference between someone burning the flag to
> symbolize something of that nature, and someone burning the
> flag to show they are in a dissagreement with our current
> establishment.
> As the other person said, when does it reach the boilng
> point to cause someone to do horrific things, we should
> still allow an expression that is non-violent so violent
> things are a little less prone to happen, when feelings of
> anger get pent up they need an outlet.
>
> If they ban Flag burning, whats next, Jail time for anyone
> who doesn't agree with whatever the government does, or the
> ax for stations like KPTK AA.
>
>
> PS: the group of people in pakistan was very small, and the
> majority of the people there mourned with us. Media can do
> strange things with public opinion by showing footage like
> that. Remember they showed footage of some of our troops
> clapping and laughing after they leveled some place, they
> are a very small minority, compared to most of our honorable
> troops over there who are absolutley grief stricken to see
> the results of ignorance.
>
 
> This is important to us because it involves freedom.
>
> The flag stands for the liberty of the people to express
> themselves, if this ammendment is passed, then the flag is
> just what it is, a flag... It will still stand for
> something, the past, the sacrifices made, the hard work of a
> country to have that freedom, once existed called America,
> where people were free to show how they felt, even if
> someone didn't like it, by burning the very symbol that
> represented the right to do so.
>
> Veterans fought for your right to burn the flag in protest.
>
>
> I have never burned the flag, i personally wouldn't do it
> myself, but hold nothing against anyone who makes the
> decision to do so, if they feel the need to express.
>
> The dumb thing is, if this ammendment passes, people like me
> might give it more thought.
>
Rather than burning the flag a much better protest for any policy one disagrees with is to fly the flag upside down. This is a sign of distress is it not?
 
> > This is important to us because it involves freedom.
> >
> > The flag stands for the liberty of the people to express
> > themselves, if this ammendment is passed, then the flag is
>
> > just what it is, a flag... It will still stand for
> > something, the past, the sacrifices made, the hard work of
> a
> > country to have that freedom, once existed called America,
>
> > where people were free to show how they felt, even if
> > someone didn't like it, by burning the very symbol that
> > represented the right to do so.
> >
> > Veterans fought for your right to burn the flag in
> protest.
> >
> >
> > I have never burned the flag, i personally wouldn't do it
> > myself, but hold nothing against anyone who makes the
> > decision to do so, if they feel the need to express.
> >
> > The dumb thing is, if this ammendment passes, people like
> me
> > might give it more thought.
> >
> Rather than burning the flag a much better protest for any
> policy one disagrees with is to fly the flag upside down.
> This is a sign of distress is it not?
>

YES!
 
> > > This is important to us because it involves freedom.
> > >
> > > The flag stands for the liberty of the people to express
>
> > > themselves, if this ammendment is passed, then the flag
> is
> >
> > > just what it is, a flag... It will still stand for
> > > something, the past, the sacrifices made, the hard work
> of
> > a
> > > country to have that freedom, once existed called
> America,
> >
> > > where people were free to show how they felt, even if
> > > someone didn't like it, by burning the very symbol that
> > > represented the right to do so.
> > >
> > > Veterans fought for your right to burn the flag in
> > protest.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have never burned the flag, i personally wouldn't do
> it
> > > myself, but hold nothing against anyone who makes the
> > > decision to do so, if they feel the need to express.
> > >
> > > The dumb thing is, if this ammendment passes, people
> like
> > me
> > > might give it more thought.
> > >
> > Rather than burning the flag a much better protest for any
>
> > policy one disagrees with is to fly the flag upside down.
> > This is a sign of distress is it not?
> >
>
> YES!
>
Even better than doing that, would be to take action in some form or another.
Encourage younger people to vote, etc... Since us young folk are the ones who will have to face the troubled wake generated by what's happening today, we have to do what we can now.

Thanks everyone for your input on this.
 
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