No More Personal Attacks - Discuss Boston Radio

[manager3]

This board is NOT to be used to attack other users, no matter how much you disagree with them, no matter how "wrong" you may think they are. This board is to professionally discuss BOSTON RADIO. I step away from the monitor for a few hours to have a life for myself, and I come back to children bickering over who gets to play with the toy next.

Varulven participates alot on the Boston board. He voices his OPINION frequently and cleverly. You do not have to agree with him or like what he has to say, and vice versa. But you do have to be respectful of each others OPINIONS. I challenge you all to find a way to debate without turning to the easy, inflammatory remarks we see so often. Have a discussion, provide references for your facts, and remember that there is always THREE sides to the story: your side, their side, and the TRUTH.

If you are a Boston jock, or former jock, PD, OM, GM...whatever, you are in the public eye and open to scrutiny of the people you play to. Joe knows how to criticize. Criticism in and of itself is NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK. Learn the difference, and then you can be a challenge to his opinions. Challenge each other with wit, not with insults.

Forget about trying to one up each other with insults. Discuss the facts, or discuss your respective opinions. Make it INTELLIGENT. Show us American's aren't dumbed down to simply hurl insults all while hiding behind screen names.

Many of you don't like Joe, and you have your reasons. But Joe has been a part of Boston radio in SOME FORM. You cannot discredit him because he doesn't have "on air" experience. He may not write for Rolling Stone, or Radio and Records, but he stilll writes, and he still is an American with the right to have an opinion. He is a listener too. And listeners have their opinions about "talent". Take it with a grain of salt. Consider it, or don't. Why is it so important to stop one person from discussing their passion? Just because they don't fit your mold? Because they have a differing point of view? That's not America.

We value EVERYONE's participation, however the unprofessionalism that we have seen over the last day or so has got to stop. I don't like banning people because I think you all CAN contribute in a professional manner. I think EVERYONE's opinion is valuable. Sometimes people are not very well informed and their opinion shows that (sometimes we all have an ill informed opinion)...but that doesn't give anyone the right to be beligerant. Be thoughtful in how you respond to someone who "may not have all the facts". Treat them the way you would expect to be treated if the shoe were on the other foot! Do you really like to be called names?

You will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Kill them with niceness...

Stop trying to discredit each other. I believe there is something to learn from EVERYONE. No one "knows it all". All the true GREATS will tell you that. So let's get off our high horses, and remember that everyone's blood is red, or brown or whatever color our blood is.

Consider what you are about to write...will it contribute to the discussion, or is it a post that is intended to infuriate each other. If all you want to do is be inflammatory, and "get the other guy", I politely ask that you move on. We are building a community of true broadcasters and enthusiasts who can come here and have a polite discussion, an exchange of thoughts. You may not agree, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are right either, and it most certainly doesn't give you the right to attack.

Let's move on. Everyone was getting along nicely until a day or so ago. And there are only a few at that are disruptive. We will continue to monitor these posters who are not contributing anything but only posting to incite more attacks. I assure more bans will be placed if it continues. Please don't come back with the "he started it" posts...we are all to grown up for that. Just MOVE ON...and get over it. Almost everone is a little to blame (meaning those that have participated in those threads). The moderation could be a little tighter too. And we will work on that, but hopefully it won't be necessary and the discussion will be a friendly one.

I believe that we may be able to get past this bump and continue to discuss Boston Radio in a civil manner. We do appreciate everyone's participation. Let's keep it nice and polite, and professional!

Managing Board Editor

 

[Lucylu]

Varulven participates alot on the Boston board. He voices his OPINION frequently and cleverly....

... Joe knows how to criticize. Criticism in and of itself is NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK. Learn the difference, and then you can be a challenge to his opinions. Challenge each other with wit, not with insults.


Managing Board Editor

Hmmm, Joe has called me fat, unemployed, an intern-want-a-bee and a waitress. None of these are 'clever' or true or have anything to do with Boston radio. They are, in fact, personal attacks. If the managing board editior isn't actualy Joe, he should be.

 

[manager3]

Varulven participates alot on the Boston board. He voices his OPINION frequently and cleverly....

... Joe knows how to criticize. Criticism in and of itself is NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK. Learn the difference, and then you can be a challenge to his opinions. Challenge each other with wit, not with insults.


Managing Board Editor

Hmmm, Joe has called me fat, unemployed, an intern-want-a-bee and a waitress. None of these are 'clever' or true or have anything to do with Boston radio. They are, in fact, personal attacks. If the managing board editior isn't actualy Joe, he should be.

Please point me to those posts...Thanks.

Managing Board Editor

 

[Neanderpaul]

Thank you to the Moderator for that post. Thank you for your help in the past. I write this final post to bid you all Goodbye.

I'd go in to why I'm gone. But, as it would probably be considered critical of this forum, I don't expect it to be allowed to remain on the board. It has nothing to do with any member, my employers, or any personal attack. Given the parameters set forth, It is completely my choice to not participate here. I wish you well, and ask that a moderator please contact me through the "my messages" feature to tell me how I may remove my account. I would like all remnants of my participation here to be erased.

Should anyone wish to contact me, I may be reached at [email protected]

Thank you all for the conversation over the years. I love Boston radio. I'm proud to have been able to work at 5 legendary Boston stations, and wish all of my former co-workers good luck in the future. I wish the owners and moderators of this forum good luck in the future in keeping Doug's original vision alive.

Thanks for letting me play here. Good night Rangoon!

 

[KingofZing]

Varulven participates alot on the Boston board. He voices his OPINION frequently and cleverly....

... Joe knows how to criticize. Criticism in and of itself is NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK. Learn the difference, and then you can be a challenge to his opinions. Challenge each other with wit, not with insults.


Managing Board Editor

Hmmm, Joe has called me fat, unemployed, an intern-want-a-bee and a waitress. None of these are 'clever' or true or have anything to do with Boston radio. They are, in fact, personal attacks. If the managing board editior isn't actualy Joe, he should be.

Please point me to those posts...Thanks.

Managing Board Editor

Interesting how the managing board editor suggest to point in the direction of the posts after they have been deleted. I as a lurker have noticed Joe continuing bashing people and their livelyhood on this board for a few months now and in particular the last few days calling lucy fat, waitress etc.. And wrongly accusing and name calling a promiment radio program director from Boston as well as Air Talent. I find his criticism more personal than critical. It is quite obvious this board is moderated by Joe by the washing of hands of his personal attacks on various people who contributed, people who actually worked or are working in Boston Radio.

And don't you dare accuse me of being a "Swiftie" because I don't post alot, that's like George Bush calling me un-American because I don't believe the war in Iraq is a "Just" War. I'm a professional and I read this board daily, just because I don't get involved in a discussion doesn't mean I or my opinion doesn't matter. But this post by the Managing Board Editor sure smells quite funny.

 

[Varulven]

The remarkable thing, Board Moderator, is how people are swift boat attackers, Like Lucy Lu.

Lucy Lu has hurled every imaginable slur at me, which I would be happy to point out. We don't know who she is, so if I respond with a comment against a "ghost" she gets all upset - as if ANYONE knows who she is.

It is remarkable how one or two individuals without using their real names can destroy a board. I've witnessed this on boards where I have had little or no interaction - a Star Trek group where teenagers would come in at midnight and destroy the long time members. So we just vanished. We were not part of the argument, they just came in and started trouble every night at midnight (it was a chat room on Star Trek).

By the way, my writings have been published on RollingStone.com until Muze got the account; It is safe to say I'm one of the most prolific writers in Boston. "They", whoever they are, get enraged about anyone's success. Also, I've had much on-air experience - WCUW in 1978, the BBC in 2006, WJIB, (how about guesting on WCGY and WCCM and WCAS), hosting/programming for AM 1670 and WNSH and being on tons of radio stations in between. Not to mention dozens of access stations and VH-1 (taped by the Saturday Night Live people).

It is so easy to denigrate a man who posts his company name or his real name. Anyone with a fake handle can do it. When a resume is posted - be it Director of Market Research for a national TV company, or work at 93.7 WCGY, or even just hosting on WJIB; be it my 30 years owning a record label with successful contracts negotiated with major labels or indies distributed by majors, to cable tv, getting paid to speak on the BBC, doing numerous interviews for VH-1, none of these people have this extensive resume, and so they go on the attack.

I thank the moderator for his efforts. We know how difficult it is. My name is here, my resume speaks for itself, and for all we know the various names that we don't know - the people that aren't Eli or Sonic Al or Neggy (who are all good, stand-up guys) - well, the others ruin it for everyone else.

Live and let live. If I criticize Howie Carr or Oedipus, they should be big enough to take it. My God, they have enough money, don't they?

But to have the troops come in and attack because of thin skin over at one radio station and defensive posturing over at another, really, just grow up.

Here's a sincere thank you to Oedipus for respecting the hard work I do and have done for this City.

Thanks also to The Boston Globe. Don't need an Emmy from Conan, nor do I need anyone's praises on this board. But I DO deserve the right to give an opinion without the hateful gay slurs from Pug Ugly and Lucy Lu, the horrific lies, all because people in this city seem to be jealous of a man's work ethic.

Amen.

 

[TowerBuzz]

I just started posting here after just reading the board for a while and because I havent posted at least 100 times he began goading me that I have no credibility, Im a swift boater (whatever that means). I'll ask then; if one poster has problems with so many other posters how do you blame them and not the one?. I only said I didnt come here to talk about who fired who or cable access or swiftboat politics I want to talk about radio and I got attacked for not having any credibility because I had at the time only posted 10 times. That is clever discussion of radio?.

 

[Neggy]

swift boats were used in the Vietnam war, John Kerry commanded one.

When Kerry was runnng for the presidency, the Swift Boat Veterans were all over him for his ... well it doesn't matter they were just not supporters.

Didn't it come out in the end some big time republican fundraiser was bankrolling them?


I THINK that is the connection

 

[TowerBuzz]

Thank you Neggy I know who the swift boat guys were in the last election what I dont understand is their relevance here on the Boston radio information forum or why they are constantly referenced. I dont get it. Unless they have a radio show why does their name keep popping up?.

 

[manager3]

Interesting how the managing board editor suggest to point in the direction of the posts after they have been deleted. I as a lurker have noticed Joe continuing bashing people and their livelyhood on this board for a few months now and in particular the last few days calling lucy fat, waitress etc.. And wrongly accusing and name calling a promiment radio program director from Boston as well as Air Talent. I find his criticism more personal than critical. It is quite obvious this board is moderated by Joe by the washing of hands of his personal attacks on various people who contributed, people who actually worked or are working in Boston Radio.

And don't you dare accuse me of being a "Swiftie" because I don't post alot, that's like George Bush calling me un-American because I don't believe the war in Iraq is a "Just" War. I'm a professional and I read this board daily, just because I don't get involved in a discussion doesn't mean I or my opinion doesn't matter. But this post by the Managing Board Editor sure smells quite funny.

Honest answer:

I hadn't gotten that far in catching up. There has been alot of misuse of the board the last day or so. So I found the referenced post to Lucy and made the edit...you can see that I made the edit. The whole cable access needs to be split and moved to Off-Air, or National TV. And I will get to it.

If you have no stake in this, and can read from an arbitrary point of view, Joe mostly criticizes, but does not attack. He has on occassion made inflammatory comments which we treat like everyone else; and like his example about their being no financial loss to Lucy for his comments may be true, but we do not want personal attacks on other users, whether they are anonymous or not. It is just unprofessional. We try to keep up...but we can miss a couple (like the unnecessary comment about Lucy, which I did find and edited). There is the Report This Post, which many users do use and we appreciate that.

If you have further questions about MY role, or MY decisions on what gets editted and what doesn't, or what our moderators look for, please use the Contact Us link and send me a message. I will be more than happy to answer your questions and adress your concerns.


I think this is a good discussion and hope to shed some light on what is apparently appears to be an unbalanced process, but isn't.


Managing Board Editor

 

[TowerBuzz]

Then here is a question cause I disagree that Varulven criticizes without insulting. I agree with your opening post about GM's PD's DJ's and on and on being public figures and open to being criticized and not to be thin skinned. Varulven in almost every post goes on about how well known he is even correcting you that he has been published on rollingstone.com and comparing his cable audience to Leno and Letterman. Doesnt this make him a public figure and open to the same need for a thick skin and eligible to be critiqued as others in radio that he criticizes?. I dont want to fight but it feels like he is allowed to be more critical than others are allowed to be of him. He has behaved like a schoolyard bully with me and you're sticking up for him.

 

[manager3]

Then here is a question cause I disagree that Varulven criticizes without insulting. I agree with your opening post about GM's PD's DJ's and on and on being public figures and open to being criticized and not to be thin skinned. Varulven in almost every post goes on about how well known he is even correcting you that he has been published on rollingstone.com and comparing his cable audience to Leno and Letterman. Doesnt this make him a public figure and open to the same need for a thick skin and eligible to be critiqued as others in radio that he criticizes?. I dont want to fight but it feels like he is allowed to be more critical than others are allowed to be of him. He has behaved like a schoolyard bully with me and you're sticking up for him.

Good Question! When people come on and say things like "you're an idiot", or the like...that is a personal attack. When Joe comes on and says that any particular talent isn't any good, or doesn't deserve to be in Boston, that is criticism. If someone says something like Joe you are a talentless hack, I would catagorize that as an attack. If someone says Joe, I read your articles, and listened to your music and found that it lacks any rhythm or style, then that is criticism. I am trying to givve examples here, these are not my opinions in either case.

Needless to say, there is a way to criticize anyone, but you have to know what you are criticizing! Again, blind attacks on character are not allowed. Saying things like "you're an incompetant bafoon", is not a fair comment. The comment Joe made about Lucy Lu wasn't acceptable either. Keep the comments related to the topic and not the poster. If a poster makes a rediculous statement like "all Boston jocks don't know their music", you shouldn't come back with an attack, but rather a QUALIFIED statement as to why they do.

I know sometimes there seems to be a fine line as to what is and what isn't acceptble. The best thing to do is remember that we should treat people the way we wish to be treated, even when others treat us badly AND that you can attract more flies with honey, than with vinegar. So if you keep your posts intelligent an stay away from the name calling and inflammatory posts then we can keep Radio-Info the best industry website!

Thanks for your patience, as I get through some of the posts that have been reported. The moderators are also doing a great job in keeping things together.


Managing Board Editor

 

[ciao99]

Thank you Neggy I know who the swift boat guys were in the last election what I dont understand is their relevance here on the Boston radio information forum or why they are constantly referenced. I dont get it. Unless they have a radio show why does their name keep popping up?.

They were reference because they made bold accusations, and anonymously. I think varulven (spelling?) was making a conceptual point.

 

[Varulven]

Public Figures and such

TowerBuzz - you are a new member with 18 posts. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your intentions aren't hateful, so let me answer your questions.

1)RE: minimal posts
In any internet community a "newbie" is viewed with skepticism by the "vets" - and in most cases newbies
are not allowed to post at all until moderators and the community are assured that they aren't going to
upset the ecosystem - and with MOST communities on the internet things run pretty hot with the vets,
so new individuals - especially with anonymity, should go through a period of moderation prior to their
posts going online.

Towerbuzz says:
Then here is a question cause I disagree that Varulven criticizes without insulting.

2)You know, I'm a lot less acidic than Howard Stern or Opie & Anthony. In fact, a friend of mine from AM
radio sent me two bigot authors to interview. He wanted me to bait them and level them because they
were so anti-gay. I passed on both authors. That's not how I want to present my program.

BUT, I did allow Dick Morris on my show twice (and perhaps it was Lucy Lu who asked how many of my
guests are repeats: most Visual Radio guests are happy to come back - Warner Books mystery writer
Archer Mayor has appeared 4 times now, Bill Press (formerly of CNN, now with Sirius) has appeared
twice, etc. etc. I found Dick Morris to be what you are erroneously accusing me of being - insulting
and critical. Thus, I gave his interview less exposure than we give to, say, a children's author who
appeals to librarians. And librarians have phoned me with a thumbs up on programming that isn't
insulting and mean spirited.

Towerbuzz Says:
I agree with your opening post about GM's PD's DJ's and on and on being public figures and open to being criticized and not to be thin skinned. Varulven in almost every post goes on about how well known he is even correcting you that he has been published on rollingstone.com and comparing his cable audience to Leno and Letterman. Doesnt this make him a public figure and open to the same need for a thick skin and eligible to be critiqued as others in radio that he criticizes?.

3) (Side note: what really pisses me off is that all my Rolling Stone.com reviews, and there were over 100,
vanished when Muze got the gig; c'est la vie, I did print out most of them and have them in my resume.
There were at least 171 from Blue Cheer to Yma Sumac, Tommy James, Jack Bruce, etc. etc.)

I only post and re-post my escapades because those who attack belittle my work. The antidote to getting swift boated is to reply and not let them post lies that linger in cyberspace. You are right, even if I were on just one town on an access show it would make me or you a "public figure"; the fact that I write for national and international magazines and websites, that I write and have written for multiple CNC (currently owned by the Herald) papers, have been on the BBC and VH-1 most recently, certainly makes me more of a public figure than a weekend jock on WZLX, though they are public figures too. But "public figures" have rights.
The Rolling Stones used Lucille Ball's photo on "Some Girls" without permission accidentally on purpose - it intruded on her right to privacy and made the album a bit of a collectors item. They pulled her photo as they didn't have permission. People use my birth name here with lies, innuendo, defamatory statements, and stuff that is hardly criticism of my music. When they have criticized a song - Smoke went off on my "There's Nothing Like A Hit", as did someone who was banned, their criticism was not "critical", it was vicious and with no merit bordering on obscene. We can take John DePetro to task for using a gay slur - that's more objective than saying "awful song" just to be mean spirited. So I sang the song at the Tweeter Center and it went to #1 on the Boston Phoenix when they had the download sites - a legitimate #1 from my colleagues and Visual Radio guests tuning in. Still, as a "public figure" who has 30 years of recordings, I take the great reviews from Playboy, L'Attendant (Belgium - Best Record of the Month), Phonograph Record Magazine (Best Record Of The Month), and harsh reviews from The Boston Herald (Full page "Count Viglione Keeps Them Chuckling"), and the medium reviews (Boston Phoenix, "we know the Count is a legend in France, but the show at the Paradise was just ok" (paraphrased, my 2nd gig there 12/2/1978). Or back-handed compliments like Bill Tupper from The Boston Globe "You guys are brilliant at Cantones; why was it so bad at The Paradise". Constructive criticism keeps you going if you can improve. Having performed in Paradise 49 times, more than any other singer/performer in history (and being the last person on the stage at the club before it turned into the Paradise back in 1976 or 1977 or so...well...) that's a lot of years of abuse if the band is off and everything isn't just so. And when you don't have Bon Jovi money to hire an ensemble crew, there are going to be nights when the equipment goes haywire and the show will get leveled by critics.

4)TowerBuzz says:
I dont want to fight but it feels like he is allowed to be more critical than others are allowed to be of him. He has behaved like a schoolyard bully with me and you're sticking up for him.

This is absolutely incorrect. As stated above, you should have been in "moderation" as a newbie, and in most groups you would have been. I have a good idea who you are from your writing style and believe you shouldn't be allowed to post at all. But, you will feign you are a neutral person and deserving of privileges others have from being on this board for half a dozen years or however long it has been here.

I have noticed that the flame wars with me as the target get a huge readership, and when the wars stop, the readers are depressed. Hey - go find a new target. They like that I won't take the b.s. sitting down.

The Moderator is correct - I criticize - and sometimes it borders on Howard Stern, but I NEVER get as brutal as Stern. The postings about WBCN have reliable sources that fed me information for years. Keep in mind,
Towerbuzz, corporate radio doesn't allow "the other side" to speak very often. WRKO screens its calls meticulously, so for them to see an internet site allowing many people to speak their mind - from Raccoon's opinion that Howie is great to Paul Yovino's opinion that they don't know what they are doing, well, it makes for balance. Notice how Raccoon is never criticized by Intercomm99, but he / she viciously levels me or
Mr. Yovino because we are highly critical of what many consider a biased, Conservative "talk station" that has a one sided conversation.

I hope this answers your questions on being a "public figure", you being a "newbie", and the fact that you don't want me to have any rights, but you have not shown any disdain for the "peanut gallery", as I call them, who viciously savage my name and reputation without ever fearing their bosses might fire them.

And trust me - one young man sent me a vicious gay slur via e mail and he found himself without a job.
I will defend myself because being a "public figure" in a small pond means there are a lot of jealous people who want to take you down, no matter how much good you've done for the community.

I care about this community; I care about radio. We don't know who you are so we can't say if you do or if you don't. The quickest way for you to get credibility is to reveal yourself. The quickest way for you to lose credibility is to come out lashing at me, questioning the motives of the moderator, yet operating in the shadows. Any judge and jury in the land would find you at fault.

Cheers

Varulven - Boston's original rock label.


p.s. harangue is the proper spelling. By the way, go back to your first post which lashed out at me.
You act oh so sensitive to criticism, yet we can only suspect who you are, we don't know. So for you to say you have "suffered" is completely off base. You lash out at me, yet we don't know you, and you hardly came in here looking to be friends. The "sugar works better than cyanide" that the Moderator so aptly mentioned.

 

[TowerBuzz]

To Managing board editor I understand your examples of accepted and unacceptable postings I do feel you're favoring him and protecting him while he is allowed to be as raukus as he wants to be. Ive monitored this board for some time now and finally decided to start posting where Varulven immediately jumped on me for being a "newbie" and having no credibility becasue I had not posted hundreds of times. The only way to get to be a board regular is to start posting sometime I am not even sure I want to be a board regular. He's huaranged (sp) me to say what my name is and that is not required here I dont have to follow his rules but you're allowing him a lot of freedom. Maybe it means paying more attention to his posts cause I never attacked anybody I did try to defend myself and got called a swift boater. You might think youre being equal but you really are not and that's why I asked does this Varulven guy own part of this company? because he treats it and is treated like it is his forum.

 

[Mickey37]

Managing Board Editor -- you seem to be using very narrow definitions of "criticize" and "attack."
If Joe (or anyone else, for that matter) declares on the board that a Member is a Talentless Piece of Garbage, then by your definitions, he'd be criticizing. But if he just calls someone a Piece of Garbage, that's an attack, right?

You express admiration of the way Joe criticizes, as though it's an art form. Call it what you will, his comments are as mean-spirited as the ones made about him.

I was expecting much better things from this board when the Big Change happened earlier this year. But no, it's just become a place where the "artful" can "criticize," and anyone else who challenges the "artist" has their posts deleted.

 

[AKLes]

Stop! Think!

Look hard at the "other" posts on this board.

If it were not for Valvoline or Valwhatever, what would be left?

Ya gotta admit...with Joe the board boils. Without him would it even simmer?

Or would we be discussing why WBZ didn't replace Dave Maynard with O&A?

 

[manager3]

Managing Board Editor -- you seem to be using very narrow definitions of "criticize" and "attack."
If Joe (or anyone else, for that matter) declares on the board that a Member is a Talentless Piece of Garbage, then by your definitions, he'd be criticizing. But if he just calls someone a Piece of Garbage, that's an attack, right?

You express admiration of the way Joe criticizes, as though it's an art form. Call it what you will, his comments as mean-spirited as the ones made about him.

I was expecting much better things from this board when the Big Change happened earlier this year. But no, it's just become a place where the "artful" can "criticize," and anyone else who challenges the "artist" has their posts deleted.

I think one of your posts got deleted in a thread that was going no where. It was the only intelligent post, if I recall correctly. In any case, what you have stated about my definitions of criticize and attack are incorrect. They are both attacks if made on a private individual. If you want to say Rush is a Talentless Piece of Garbage, it would stand. If you said ONLY that about Joe, or Paul, or Nik...it would most likely be deleted. Let me say, it should be deleted. If you include intelligent commentary as to why you think that about Joe, then it would stay.

Now keep in mind we do our best to be consistant. We are not perfect, which is why we welcome your comments. If you are going to turn this into an attack on me, as did INTERComm99 and PugUgly did, then don't expect me to be so courteous. Those who you say "challenge" Joe are not challenging him. They have no substance to their posts! All they have said is that [paraphrasing here] he is nothing, and doesn't deserve to post here because OF his opinion. What I am suggesting, is an INTELLIGENT discussion as to WHY Joe's opinions are "worthless". If Joe's OPINIONS are worthless, to be fair, EVERYONE's opinions are worthless. I choose to look at this differently though...I VALUE EVERYONE's OPINIONS. I think even INTERComm99 and PugUgly do have something worthwhile to contribute, other than the boring attack posts they keep making. There is NOTHING in their posts except the attack! They don't give a valid point of view. They only say "Joe is worthless because he was kicked out of Boston Radio 20 years ago". Most GREAT jocks have gotten fired...Look at Stern...Look at Rush....come on...give me more than that. When Joe says that Neanderpaul wasn't good for Boston, he gave reason WHY he thought so...He said there was no 'good-bye' write up when he left...and he has given other reasons for his OPINION on Neanderpaul. You don't have to agree and you can intelligentlyt debate why you think Joe is wrong. But posts like "Joe is a Hack", or "Joe owns the Boston board", is not intelligent debate. His basis for his OPINION is his own experience...So take your experience and go head to head with Joe! Discuss it intelligently. The great thing about OPINIONS is EVERYONE has one. And AGAIN, you don't have to agree. But just because you disagree doesn't give you open season to post insults back, and claim it is criticism.

Let's get this board back to Boston radio. I think I've exhausted the explaination between attacks anbd criticisms. If you get it you get it...if you don't, we'll probably soon find out. Thanks for the questions though! Your comments are appreciated, even if they are critical of how I am running the boards. Comments are one barameter that helps me to guage how things are going.


Managing Board Editor

 

[raccoonradio]

by the way, I don't remember George Bush calling someone un-American for their beliefs on the war. other people maybe, but not him. As for the Swift Boat thing, do you remember that big press conference during the 2004 campaign Sen. Kerry had where he fought back against the accusations of the book, and denounced them? Where he pointed out what really happened--and, as a result, the people of the U.S. elected him the 44th President of the United States in an electoral landslide?

Neither do I.
(And here's a _progressive blog_ reporting a couple months ago that Kerry finally is refuting the Swiftie charges. Two calendar years AFTER the election; "Swift" action, Senator! (but...he's two years early for '08!) Just pointing out, as part of the "swift boat" term...

http://www.progressiveu.org/121345-kerry-fights-back-swift-boat-vets-group-two-years-later

 

[jane grant]

TowerBuzz is obviously a weekend DJ from New York venting.

And remember - If I married Tom Swift I would be Jane Swift.