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rbrucecarter5
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jeffdfw said:
I didn't like smooth jazz that much, but the Sunday morning program on KOOI is really good. Maybe somebody will bring the format back to a closer station.
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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Maybe Oasis needs to learn a lesson from Lonestar when it comes to a good mix, or balance, or... well, you get the idea. Smooth can get old. Contemporary is nice, but a tease. Classic is heavenly, but only for a small demography. And then there is fusion and Mingus.
Oh come on, there has to be a benefactor out there somewhere that can bring this mix to Big D. Wait, is there a JENGA fan in the house? 8)
Oh come on, there has to be a benefactor out there somewhere that can bring this mix to Big D. Wait, is there a JENGA fan in the house? 8)
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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WJZZ in Hot-lanta and even KYOT in Phoenix gets a promotion machine behind it. (Note to C[ant] B[roadcast] S[ ???]: promotions can work if targeted properly). Fans care, artists interact and jocks are not half baked renditions of themselves when they decide to be philanthropic and visit KERA...er...makes location remotes.
K-Soul isn't doing that great because of the lightning in a bottle that 105 dot 7 collected floating down the Trinity. SJ could work there, but it would run into the same predicament, who will run it - and not into the ground.
Man, Dallas needs a little something like that back here. What else do boring financial and law firms use for hold music. Sarah McLaughlin's greatest hits? The Carpenters? Manilow?
K-Soul isn't doing that great because of the lightning in a bottle that 105 dot 7 collected floating down the Trinity. SJ could work there, but it would run into the same predicament, who will run it - and not into the ground.
Man, Dallas needs a little something like that back here. What else do boring financial and law firms use for hold music. Sarah McLaughlin's greatest hits? The Carpenters? Manilow?
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Talktalk
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What is with you guys and Sommth Jazz...Seriously, unless these posts are ALL from Cameron Smith...give it up. If Smooth Jazz comes back to DFW it will die a painful death like last time. A Chunky Jazz Station, with a smooth (at work) element and a catchy hook might interest me...but there aren't many pd's that could pull that off.
Besides, is Smooth Jazz REALLY the best choice for a new format in DFW?
Besides, is Smooth Jazz REALLY the best choice for a new format in DFW?
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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Talktalk said:
Look, we all have our vices. Some enjoy bashing non-com radio. Others love jazz. Most people in radio dump a vice for avarice, which is why we lost Smooth Jazz in the first place. The only thing "dying a painful death" is that line. It was a novel format when it came out and it succeeds in most big markets. KOAI had abecedarian, pre-pubescent management who flushed that toilet down the Trinity because of the advice of some green CONsultants and pandering of a few dead presidents. The books weren't stellar (as DE would attest no doubt) but hell, hasn't there been MUCH worse in this market that has lasted MUCH longer?
Just because you are the voice of well, you, doesn't mean your taste buds reflect the palate of the rest of DFW. Just in case, there are other people in this town that think jazz is more than Kenny G drowning people into the Snore Clinic.
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Talktalk
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whatever...but what IS the point. It wasn't a ratings winner, it wasn't a revenue winner...nobody loved it, only tolerated it...well, until they didn't. If that was ONLY my opininion, well, you would still have your little Smooth Jazz station now wouldn't you...
Wait a minute, I forgot, it is the fault of corporate radio and deregulation.....YAWN.
Wait a minute, I forgot, it is the fault of corporate radio and deregulation.....YAWN.
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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Nah, dereg and CBS... er... corporate radio aside, Smooth Jazz not being in this town was just a plain, old fashioned stupid decision based on a couple of bad books. It's not like KOAI was Emmitt Smith looking for those few elusive yards in Phoenix. It was peaking, but in my opinion, wasn't given a chance.
Now, take your AmbienCR and nighty night.
Now, take your AmbienCR and nighty night.
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Talktalk
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know what the numbers were, but DE is a trusted source for information so I will let him tell you what shares were of ratings AND revenue. Not that you will believe him, but, here is a tip for you Veritas, and I know you will have trouble believing....just because YOU like something doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.
Talktalk said:
The numbers had declined from low to mid 3's in 12+ in the early part of the decade to mid-2's by 2004. Billing was stuck around $10 million, and not growing. The problem was that by the Summer of '05 the 25-54 numbers were down to about a 2.2 in one case, and declining faster than the overall 12+, which was held up by the over-55 listenership which in a market like Dallas is a tough to impossible sell.
The sales figure was not even in the top 15 stations before the flip. Of course, the new format has done worse in ratings, but that does not take away the fact that the station was in decline, while the market was growing rapidly in revenues. Interestingly, the current revenue is higher than that achieved with jazz, since the demos are, it appears, more salable.
DavidEduardo said:
This has been beaten to death in multiple threads...
(1) KOAI died because its ratings and revenue have been in decline.
(2) Its revenue decline comes from the fact KOAI was increasingly skewing older (folks aging out of 25-54). As unappealing KMVK is to most people on the board, it's younger demos up.
(3) Despite the fondness of beating up on the local CBS group, this mirrors the trend nationally. The format is slowly losing outlets...in Milwaukee, WJZI dumped it for AC this summer (a satellite smooth jazz format was picked up by a class A signal in the market...but it switched from classical, which has an even older audience and worst time attracting demos advertisers want). Clear Channel has/is about to dump it from KIJZ Portland for 70s/80s oldies. The format failed there in 2002 on CBS' KLTH 106.7. Even in markets where the format has good 12+ numbers, like KIFM San Diego, the 25-54 numbers lag behind many other outlets.
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rbrucecarter5
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Idea for smooth jazz fans - why not see if KVIL will pick up the Sunday morning program from KOOI? It is a low ratings period anyway - they might be open to the idea considering there is a small, but devoted audience for the format here.
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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DE to the rescue, swooping in with his dilapidated cape and superannuated book of every station's numbers since the Paleozoic era. Nicely done, sir.
Yes, the numbers don't lie and their demo was skewing older. I don't disagree at all. But there has to be a way it works in this market. Pick a top or large market. Jazz is there, and it's not like there is a brewing bastion of 13 year olds jamming to Chick Corea, Cannonball Adderley, Bill Evans and even Kenny G. It is an older scale but the CUME can grow if handled right. For what it's worth, (and not just because I am bitter homer of KOAI when I worked there), I loved the joint because I loved the music... not the management.
Oh well, back to the iPod. 8)
Yes, the numbers don't lie and their demo was skewing older. I don't disagree at all. But there has to be a way it works in this market. Pick a top or large market. Jazz is there, and it's not like there is a brewing bastion of 13 year olds jamming to Chick Corea, Cannonball Adderley, Bill Evans and even Kenny G. It is an older scale but the CUME can grow if handled right. For what it's worth, (and not just because I am bitter homer of KOAI when I worked there), I loved the joint because I loved the music... not the management.
Oh well, back to the iPod. 8)
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silkpony
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VERITAS DE VOCE said:
Have you looked at the Wave in Houston? They have low cume, not in the top 15 in 19-34, or 25-54, and they are on a blow torch.
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cklw800
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Be on the lookout. You could be getting a new Smooth Jazz station in DFW next week. The BA Network is pushing for new full satellite affiliates in Top 50 markets. Dallas, St. Louis, Kansas City and even Pittsburgh are perfect fodder for it. Don't look for any localism. It will be fully syndicated, a selling point for BA. The station will be nothing more than a desktop computer at a satellite affiliate. The music will be the same, new millenium Muzak with covers of pop tunes and lots and lots of vocals. Smooth Jazz could be coming your way but it won't meet your "jazz afficionado" expectations. But at least the "format" will be there, even if the "music" won't.
cklw800 said:
As a point of reference, BA (Frank Cody and Owen Leach) invented the format.
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jeff715
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cklw800 said:
Where did you get this information and where do you think it would end up? 100.3?? CBS seems to be all about the pre-packaged formats.
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