No Radio Disney on the FM dial around Anaheim?

[BecTero]

I would expect some FM station around Disneyland to be on the air, even if Disney would subsidize the expenses!

 

[pianoplayer88key]

AM 1110 *can* be heard in El Cajon (east of San Diego) at night. Granted, it's not the quality signal that's capable of punching through several feet of steel & concrete walls and still having a signal-to-noise ratio that would rival FM HD even if the radio is sitting right *ON* an operating plasma TV, but it can be heard with some effort outdoors on a fairly good radio. Since it can be heard here, I would expect it should be heard in Anaheim. I've definitely heard a usable signal at the Greyhound station in Anaheim. (I don't recall how far it is from Disneyland or Angel Stadium, though.)

Couple questions for David Eduardo, in case he pops in here.
1 - After a signal gets below the 10-15 mV/m range that you say most people in metro areas would listen, approximately how much farther would you say it would go before it's too weak for a DXer in an electrically quiet environment (not a screen room though), using a sensitive receiver and beverage antenna and good headphones, to be able to make out words in speech, but may still be able to tell the difference between speech, even if the language is undiscernable, vs music, and maybe even recognize the song if s/he knows it well? To keep it simple, assume ground conductivity is constant along the entire path length.
And, 2 - how much stronger, above 10-15 mV/m, would a signal have to be before a DXer (assuming they're not trying to DX *ON* the station's channel, and the strong signal isn't running IBOC) might begin to consider calling them a pest?

 

[Doctor_Technical]

Here's another question for David or any other of you folks who might be in the know: what's that structure that crosses all over the KDIS antenna field? To see it, just enter 34.11389, -117.99750 into a map program of your choice (Bing maps seem to have better close-in aerial shots these days). Irrigation? (and why)? Methane capture? Super-low-frequency fractal antenna?

 

[fybush]

Here's another question for David or any other of you folks who might be in the know: what's that structure that crosses all over the KDIS antenna field? To see it, just enter 34.11389, -117.99750 into a map program of your choice (Bing maps seem to have better close-in aerial shots these days). Irrigation? (and why)? Methane capture? Super-low-frequency fractal antenna?

Methane capture is correct. (Excellent guess!)

The site is built on an old tire dump, which means not only lots of methane leaching out but also a tremendous amount of ground settling. When I visited some years back, the tower piers (which were sunk to bedrock) were already surrounded by sinkholes; I believe they've had to rebuild the doghouses since then to account for all the settling.

 

[davideduardo]

Here's another question for David or any other of you folks who might be in the know: what's that structure that crosses all over the KDIS antenna field? To see it, just enter 34.11389, -117.99750 into a map program of your choice (Bing maps seem to have better close-in aerial shots these days). Irrigation? (and why)? Methane capture? Super-low-frequency fractal antenna?

Also, to the west, and diagonal isan LA-style "concrete river" that replaces a little dry wash that meandered towards the south with concrete containment.

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

Is there room for an FM translator in Anaheim between 92 and 108 Megahertz that could possible transmit from a tall building near Disneyland??

 

[fybush]

Is there room for an FM translator in Anaheim between 92 and 108 Megahertz that could possible transmit from a tall building near Disneyland??

No.

 

[ajc_trw]

Is there room for an FM translator in Anaheim between 92 and 108 Megahertz that could possible transmit from a tall building near Disneyland??

No.

What about 101.5? KGB is so far away they allowed an LPFM for Newport Beach. I can see them allowing one for Anaheim as well and it should serve the area.

That is if Disney/ABC doesn't have the $ to buy an under-performing FM on Mt. Wilson. Does the mouse have the cash? :

 

[fybush]

Is there room for an FM translator in Anaheim between 92 and 108 Megahertz that could possible transmit from a tall building near Disneyland??

No.

What about 101.5? KGB is so far away they allowed an LPFM for Newport Beach. I can see them allowing one for Anaheim as well and it should serve the area.

That is if Disney/ABC doesn't have the $ to buy an under-performing FM on Mt. Wilson. Does the mouse have the cash? :

There won't be any new translator channels in major metro areas such as Orange County; the FCC has made it clear that if there's any spectrum available at all, the first priority in the next window will go to LPFM rather than to translators.

In any event, Radio Disney is no longer growing by way of terrestrial radio. It has always been a Disney promotional tool first and a traditional broadcast service only second. When it launched in the 1990s, AM radio was a cheap way to get the service out there and available to listeners. In 2012, Radio Disney has better, more efficient ways to reach its targeted listeners. When my daughter listens (and at 9, she's already started to outgrow the channel, or so she thinks), she does so via the app on her iPod. We've never even had a terrestrial Disney outlet locally.

 

[radio-darn]

I would expect some FM station around Disneyland to be on the air, even if Disney would subsidize the expenses!

It would have to be in Spanish: non-Hispanic whites make up perhaps 25% of the population. I just don't see that as being a Radio Disney neighborhood.

 

[recto101]

I would expect some FM station around Disneyland to be on the air, even if Disney would subsidize the expenses!

Why should Disneyland sponsor a FM radio disney affiliate in Orange County?
Wouldn't Disney have to advertise an app for the younger demographics by saying "please Download the Radio Disney App on your Ipad, Iphone, Ipod or Droid products." Sure Radio Disney is supposed to be the KIIS-FM of the pre-teen market. But I do know that the Demographics surrounding would probably demand more Hispanic programming or Vietnamese programming on OTA radio. I drove outside of Disneyland before and I do know that the demographics in Garden Grove and Anaheim speak either Vietnamese or Spanish.

http://radio.disney.go.com/

 

[Radio_bored-Op]

and further more........

seems that D/Land spends its money on KIIS/KROQ
(when I was there in August) getting people to
the park, and the giveaway of a 2day hopper pass...

Makes sense.
Dads, uncles, etc - listen to KROQ...
"everyone else"(soccer moms,kids,etc) tune into KIIS...
and listen to their music playlist - and then get the
idea oh yea, d/Land...

(perspective of a tourist)

 

[davideduardo]

and further more........

seems that D/Land spends its money on KIIS/KROQ
(when I was there in August) getting people to
the park, and the giveaway of a 2day hopper pass...

Disney either spends or trades on a large number of LA stations... ranging from the major Spanish language stations to AC, CHR, and other general market formats. They tend to require quite a lot of promotion, including remotes and such.

Ticket giveaways are usually station promotions, with the tickets paid for in ad trades.

 

[recto101]

and further more........

seems that D/Land spends its money on KIIS/KROQ
(when I was there in August) getting people to
the park, and the giveaway of a 2day hopper pass...

Disney either spends or trades on a large number of LA stations... ranging from the major Spanish language stations to AC, CHR, and other general market formats. They tend to require quite a lot of promotion, including remotes and such.

Ticket giveaways are usually station promotions, with the tickets paid for in ad trades.

Also another question has anybody visited neighborhoods outside of Walt Disney World? Wouldn't the Demographics surrounding the Florida Disney Owned Park be Cuban Immigrants, the retired. I know the national Pundits would play that card in elections. What is Florida's equivalent of Garden Grove, Santa Ana, Anaheim Hills are like.

 

[davideduardo]

Also another question has anybody visited neighborhoods outside of Walt Disney World? Wouldn't the Demographics surrounding the Florida Disney Owned Park be Cuban Immigrants, the retired.

There are not a lot of Cubans and Cuban Americans in the Orlando area... the Cuban refugees settled mostly in Miami and the Tampa Bay area (where the Cuban community dates back more than 100 years).

The vast majority of Hispanics in the Orlando metro are Puerto Ricans, who, of course, can't possibly be immigrants.

 

[davideduardo]

What is Florida's equivalent of Garden Grove, Santa Ana, Anaheim Hills are like.

Well, if you are referring to high density Hispanic areas, the vast majority of Miami/Dade meets the Arbitron definition for such an area, called a HDHA.

But in that market Hispanics are a simple majority of the population. The household income for Hispanics in the Miami MSA is actually higher than that for non-Hispanic whites, so what you have are upper income Hispanic areas, middle income ones and working class ones.

A majority of Hispanics in that metro are Cuban / Cuban Americans and are refugees, not immigrants per se. So are the many members of the Nicaraguan community. The large group of Colombians tend to be higher income, and came with visas based on net worth; most came fleeing from the activities of the FARC in Colombia. And, as mentioned before, there is no really accurate figure on Puerto Ricans as they don't need "papers" to move around the US.

 

[recto101]

Also another question has anybody visited neighborhoods outside of Walt Disney World? Wouldn't the Demographics surrounding the Florida Disney Owned Park be Cuban Immigrants, the retired.

There are not a lot of Cubans and Cuban Americans in the Orlando area... the Cuban refugees settled mostly in Miami and the Tampa Bay area (where the Cuban community dates back more than 100 years).

The vast majority of Hispanics in the Orlando metro are Puerto Ricans, who, of course, can't possibly be immigrants.

True Puerto Rico is a colony/Commonwealth. But My argument was basically supposed to fit with Disneyland and Disney World and what the surrounding communities would be like. I don't think that many people would demand Radio Disney on FM in the surrounding areas outside the park. My point is that the districts that are outside the park would want something else on FM radio like Hispanic Programming or other needs that affect these areas.


Radio Disney is supposed to be the pre-teen's answer to KIIS-FM in LA
or WXXL-FM (CHR affiliate in Orlando)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WXXL

and I agree with the point that the younger audiences would want a web-feed of Radio Disney.

 

[davideduardo]

I don't think that many people would demand Radio Disney on FM in the surrounding areas outside the park. My point is that the districts that are outside the park would want something else on FM radio like Hispanic Programming or other needs that affect these areas.

Not yet tried in the US is the Latin American version of Radio Disney, which is very successful. It's about 7th out of over 300 stations in the Buenos Aires market, and does similarly well in locations like Guatemala City and Quito and similar markets.

It's a very family friendly fun-song AC format. All are on FM.

Most of the music is in English, and, of course the announcing is in Spanish.

Disney's ESPN is committed to the Hispanic market. Maybe we will see something similar with Radio Disney.

 

[davideduardo]

True Puerto Rico is a colony/Commonwealth.

No, Puerto Rico is a "territory" and not a "colony." Colonies have named governing authorities. Puerto Rico self elects its governor, legislators and city officials and even elects its representative to Congress in Washington.

The territory is constituted as a "Free Associated State" or commonwealth by the will of the people, who voted on such an association with the US.