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Not exactly a radio question

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But it involves radio.....

When I listen to a radio statio streaming over the internet, it often sounds odd, almost like a drifting signal on an old SW set. Almost like phase shifting. Is this a problem with internet streams, or is it something a good sound card would fix?

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> But it involves radio.....
>
> When I listen to a radio statio streaming over the internet,
> it often sounds odd, almost like a drifting signal on an old
> SW set. Almost like phase shifting. Is this a problem with
> internet streams, or is it something a good sound card would
> fix?
>
> I figured there are enough tech geeks here I might be able
> to get help. Thanks

If you're listening on a lower bitrate stream 16-32kb, it's going to sound OK, just not highest fidelity. 64kb or higher broadband feeds deliver much better audio.

It sounds like a RealPlayer dillema if it phase shifts and breaks up. Real audio feeds break up badly in heavy net traffic - especially the farther away they are and how busy net traffic is in that part of the world/USA.

MP3 and WMA feeds are steadier. RealAudio's system is pretty much a throwback to the old days when net radio was at 8kb-16kb a second and could self adjust depending on connection (usually 28-56kb modems then.)

You could also tweak your connection to get better performance. Just know what you're doing before you attempt anything.
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Streaming Audio from THEIR players

How can one 'bypass' the already set built-in players
that pop-up from station website's streaming audio?
 
Re: Streaming Audio from THEIR players

> How can one 'bypass' the already set built-in players
> that pop-up from station website's streaming audio?
>

I use a free windows media/mp3 player alternative called Screamer Radio at www.screamer-radio.com...

As an example, the stream for KLLI/Dallas has a java script that pops up the player...after the player connects to the stream, right click the middle of the player and select "View Page Info" and the "Page Info" box will pop up, then tab to "Media" and scroll down to the final link in the scrool box and click on it...the direct url to the stream you are listening to will pop up in the window...

Example: http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/playlists/live1053/live1053KLLIFM.asx

Copy that link to any windows media player and it connects directly to the stream, bypassing the javascript applications...
 
Re: Streaming Audio from THEIR players

Or, in cases where a right-click and selecting 'properties' etc does not reveal the direct stream url, you can usually dig deeper to find it.

Try right click and 'view source' if they have not disabled that (which most do but it's worth a shot) and scroll through the page code looking for the stream address.

If view source is disabled you can go back to the link you click to open the player, right click the link, and 'save TARGET as' the player page to your desktop, where you can then right click the file and 'open with' it with notepad and read the code, the same way as a 'view source' would. Some even when you get that far still have various ways to try to conceal the true direct stream address, but most are not that sophisticated.

I use direct stream urls for all of my online listening. As nwoidaho mentions, you just paste the url into WMP or whatever media player you like and you're off to the races. If you use Winamp, and it's a .asx or .asf format stream, you may need to put "/.wma" (without quotes) at the end of the url to get it to work.
 
Re: Streaming Audio from THEIR players

> Or, in cases where a right-click and selecting 'properties'
> etc does not reveal the direct stream url, you can usually
> dig deeper to find it.
>
> Try right click and 'view source' if they have not disabled
> that (which most do but it's worth a shot) and scroll
> through the page code looking for the stream address.
>
> If view source is disabled you can go back to the link you
> click to open the player, right click the link, and 'save
> TARGET as' the player page to your desktop, where you can
> then right click the file and 'open with' it with notepad
> and read the code, the same way as a 'view source' would.
> Some even when you get that far still have various ways to
> try to conceal the true direct stream address, but most are
> not that sophisticated.
>
> I use direct stream urls for all of my online listening. As
> nwoidaho mentions, you just paste the url into WMP or
> whatever media player you like and you're off to the races.
> If you use Winamp, and it's a .asx or .asf format stream,
> you may need to put "/.wma" (without quotes) at the end of
> the url to get it to work.
>


In some cases going to radio list sites will shorten this whole ordeal as others have the same preference to use a "stand-alone" player.

Of course another alternative to the whole view source thing is to open your temporary internet storage folder, I find it quicker sometimes to just have an empty folder before I open one of those pop-up players and then dig through the source code (sometimes the link will just appear as a downloaded asx/rm/pls file)
 
Re: Streaming Audio from THEIR players

> How can one 'bypass' the already set built-in players
> that pop-up from station website's streaming audio?
>

Found a REAL NICE collection of direct stream URL's at www.thestreamcenter.com

-DL Boi,ID
 
Re: Streaming Audio from THEIR players

> > Or, in cases where a right-click and selecting
> 'properties'
> > etc does not reveal the direct stream url, you can usually
>
> > dig deeper to find it.
> >
> > Try right click and 'view source' if they have not
> disabled
> > that (which most do but it's worth a shot) and scroll
> > through the page code looking for the stream address.
> >
> > If view source is disabled you can go back to the link you
>
> > click to open the player, right click the link, and 'save
> > TARGET as' the player page to your desktop, where you can
> > then right click the file and 'open with' it with notepad
> > and read the code, the same way as a 'view source' would.
> > Some even when you get that far still have various ways to
>
> > try to conceal the true direct stream address, but most
> are
> > not that sophisticated.
> >
> > I use direct stream urls for all of my online listening.
> As
> > nwoidaho mentions, you just paste the url into WMP or
> > whatever media player you like and you're off to the
> races.
> > If you use Winamp, and it's a .asx or .asf format stream,
> > you may need to put "/.wma" (without quotes) at the end of
>
> > the url to get it to work.
> >
>
>
> In some cases going to radio list sites will shorten this
> whole ordeal as others have the same preference to use a
> "stand-alone" player.
>
> Of course another alternative to the whole view source thing
> is to open your temporary internet storage folder, I find it
> quicker sometimes to just have an empty folder before I open
> one of those pop-up players and then dig through the source
> code (sometimes the link will just appear as a downloaded
> asx/rm/pls file)

I have always wished there could be one, simple, easy, low cost and RELIABLE uniform standard for internet radio. I think streaming MP3 audio with MP3 Pro sounds the best and it's also the fastest loading.

RealPlayer plays most formats (except for .ogg files, AAC and other fringe systems) and they're compatible with V-Tuner, which is IMHO, the BEST web radio tuner currently available.

I don't like web feeds that require pop up players. That's not going to be popular once web radio goes mobile on a large scale....probably even in the next two-four years. Making feed addresses directly available to players now is a much smarter plan.


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