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I wonder if they're working on getting a new web site, like www.1037.com, similar to Star 101.3 (www.1013.com)
But Look KISQ is more oldies with a motown lean and some 1960's to 1990's CHR to the playlists.
while 103.7 is Oldies with a classic rock lean. You kind of wonder if they will simulcast KNEW-AM/FM at some point or KKSF am at some point if Don Bleu does not sell on 103.7 or could it be Star 103.7.
while 103.7 is Oldies with a classic rock lean. You kind of wonder if they will simulcast KNEW-AM/FM at some point or KKSF am at some point if Don Bleu does not sell on 103.7 or could it be Star 103.7.
recto101 said:
All I can say is that I've tried to listen to 103.7 a few times in the last several days to see what they're up to. To me it was the worst of 70s whiny boy bands, aka "country rock" or whatever a group like the Eagles might be called. It was the most annoying oldies line-up I've ever heard. About the only thing I can say about the format is that at least it's consistent.
I also disagree with their formatics. They should play two songs back to back and then do their positioner bumper, not do it after every song.
One begins to wonder if whoever is programming 103.7 has actually listened to the station critically to hear how it sounds.
DavidKaye said:
I think there's a formatting standard that Clear Channel stations adhere to - at least during voice-tracked hours, which is, of course, most hours. It's the same procedure they use on 98.1, and I think 101.3. Though I haven't listened enough to know it by heart, it's something like this...say it's a 4 song set:
- Commercial break
- "Positioner bumper" into 1st song
- 1st Song
- Positioner into 2nd song
- 2nd song
- Voice-tracked DJ makes a 10 or 12 second remark over the into to 3rd song
- 3rd song
- Positioner into 4th song
- 4th song.
- Positioner into commercial break
- Commercials.
I don't think there's ever a segue without some kind of station ID. What bothers me about it is upholding the thin fiction that they have "disc jockeys" that are actually there, who say 'hi' at the beginning of their show, and 'bye' at the end. What is the point? The DJs are probably on air no more than a minute and a half per hour. Why not just automate entirely and skip the fake "DJ" stuff? As it is, the songs are never IDed, no weather reports, etc. If they fully automated, CC could save even more, including the measly few thousand annually that they pay the DJs now to voice-track their shows.
The only CC exception to this I've heard is Ryan Seacrest on "Star 101.3, who actually pre-records intros for some of the newer songs. He also provides a fair amount of content, though, of course, it's chopped and reconstituted content from his KIIS morning show.
On the old KKSF Smooth Jazz when Paul programmed it, there was only one cold segue per hour...all the rest of the songs were separated by some form of ID. I have done that as well on successful stations I have programmed in SF. It's Radio 101 from the diary days. Now, with the people meter, it's moot as far as panelists, but you still may want non-panelists who are fans of the format to hear frequent ID.
Lkeller-
Couldn't agree more....Terrible Classic Hits programming.
Polar opposite of stations like KOOL & KRTH (although KRTH seems to have lost some of it's direction too??)
Don't understand it?
It's just not that hard, but the folks at KKSF seem to figure out how to play the "Worst of the 60's, 70's & 80's" !
Couldn't agree more....Terrible Classic Hits programming.
Polar opposite of stations like KOOL & KRTH (although KRTH seems to have lost some of it's direction too??)
Don't understand it?
It's just not that hard, but the folks at KKSF seem to figure out how to play the "Worst of the 60's, 70's & 80's" !
airpab said:
Yes - I just spent Christmas week in LA, and checked out K-Earth of course. Their DJs are still live (or sound very much like it). Shotgun Tom Kelly is a fun throwback to The Real Don Steele. I also really liked Cristina Kelley in the evening who is not an old veteran DJ (to judge from her photo on the website, she's quite young). Her show includes a lot of sound-bites from 70s era TV shows, commercials, etc. A great voice, very entertaining, and pleasant to listen to. I also caught a bit of Charlie Tuna, who is now only on weekends.
And it's not like any of the KRTH DJs talk a lot - they're really pretty brief - just 15 seconds or so here and there (and into the stop set), but they really add to the entertainment value of the station.
Lkeller said:
KRTH is "live" with the exception of overnights. Midnight to 5 am is tracked during the week and has a live jock on the weekends. That one daypart is tracked by KRTH PD Jhani Kaye.
I think KRTH still sounds pretty good. If someone feels that they've lost their direction, well, I might think that perhaps doing the same thing for the last 5 years, no matter how good, gets to be "everyday".
It's good, but you've heard it before, so it might seem like they're complacent, but they're not, they're just consistent. Like most CBS stations, they use Audio Vault which is not even close to the Prophet system that CC owns, so they're have warm bodies there 24/7 as opposed to a CC station where one board-op could be running up to 5 stations.
The KRTH morning show seems to hum along nicely. Jim Carson is still smooth and consistent. Shotgun Tom is still in pm drive and doing well, though his act is somewhat energetic compared to the rest of the station and at times seems just a bit "over the top". Christina Kelly is good. She's been in the market a while now having come to KRTH from the old Mega 100. My only complaint about her might be that her delivery at times sounds distracted with some very pregnant pauses especially during the 70's at 7. Love Tuna, but I think that he may use too much audio. The guy really loads up his hours with sound, and while that's great to have so much content, it seems a little overwhelming at times. I'd settle for a straight talk up once in a while...
If San Francisco had tried this same "Drake" approach in SF, they might have saved KFRC FM... Guess you can only spread Jhani Kaye around so much, but if he had been brought in to consult, they might still have something better than CC's oldies station in the Bay area...
Back to 103.7...the last couple of weeks they've turned into the Cats In The Cradle station...MOR top 40 hits of the 70's, lots of Jim Croce, JT, Gordon Lightfoot, Chapin, America, etc.
But the last couple of days I have noticed a move to more light classic rock tunes...I even heard a Duran Duran song, which sounded bizarre. Say what you will about others who have tried the oldies format here before, it is clear the guys over at CC really don't have a clue between them.
But the last couple of days I have noticed a move to more light classic rock tunes...I even heard a Duran Duran song, which sounded bizarre. Say what you will about others who have tried the oldies format here before, it is clear the guys over at CC really don't have a clue between them.
calguy said:
I like the "over-the-top" Shotgun act. As I said, it harkens back to The Real Don Steele - who (IIRC) spent over 30 years in LA radio, and IIRC, preceded Kelly in afternoon drive on KRTH, before his death. Kelly is doing an act, but it's fun - and since he's been doing it so long at KRTH, he must not be alienating too many listeners. Back in the day, I knew a lot of people who didn't appreciate Steele, either - but they never picked up that it was at least partially tongue-in-cheek and he was not taking it very seriously.
And it probably wouldn't work here in SF - You'd have to go back almost 40 years to a couple of KYA jocks like Brian Roberts or Jimmy Jet (talk about over the top!). 610/KFRC never did have anybody like Steele, that I can recall.
It's hard to know if 106.9/KFRC would have worked if they used a "Drake" approach. Oddly, they decided to use the jingles and formatting from 610 in the mid to late 70s, which were not that memorable, in my opinion. They also used a voice-tracked almost-no-jock format very similar to 103.7. A very dull classic hits 'jukebox,' but they must be cheap to run, and I guess that's the point.
Back in the 60's I used to listen to Buck Herring mornings on KYA (1260) then switch to KGO-FM (103.7) the rest of the day. Herring had a great one-man show propped up by all sorts of funny stuff and sound EFX. KGO-FM in those days was automated most of the time. They did play commercials but not many and not in long blocks.
Good stuff!
Good stuff!
Lkeller said:
I like Shotgun as well, and I've told many, he is probably one of only two people I would have tapped for the gig. Following Steele is a tough act, but Tom filled it perfectly. KFRC did have some very real high energy jocks, but not like Steele. Mark McKay was really up and affected when he arrived, but he altered his delivery pretty fast. Buddy Baron was pretty up too, but still nothing like Steele and neither was jack Armstrong or Bill Lee, but they were great in their own way. 106.9 used jingles from one of KFRC's most highly rated era's, but after the jingles what did you have. The music is what could've been given the Jhani Kaye treatment. But I'm sure they didn't even have anything close to KRTH's budget either. So there just wasn't enough substance, just smoke & mirrors. I loved the Beau Weaver promo's they kicked off with, there was promise, but no follow through.
By the way, I wasn't knocking Shotgun, just pointing out the fact that he's very, very different sounding from the rest of the KRTH staff.
recto101 said:
I don't think so. Why would they do that?
Folks:
Seems like they cut out a lot of the mid 60's tunes.
Mike
Seems like they cut out a lot of the mid 60's tunes.
Mike
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