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Noticable changes to Jagger as "The Fan".

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5hithitthefan

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While the Jagger Show has tried and tried to act like there are no changes to their show the changes are noticeable. More sports talk, awful jingles, and now i'm hearing that the producer may be the next to go. I'm sure it will happen when they go on break, but I guess that means no more "Can Jimmy Do it" and Slow Chris..and they say The Jagger Show hasn't changed..
 
I don't think they'll last a year. At the least, not with the entire crew intact. You can't be a sports talk station and having a morning drive show that is light on sports. It would be like ESPN broadcasting the Today show in the morning. Eventually, I think they will either replace the show or change the cast surrounding Jagger. Dean probably won't last long because he's just not interested in sports and he won't enjoy it.

When BDH was let go from the Ticket, I think it was more because his show wasn't sports based, not because he didn't have a good show.
 
You know Gavin or his boss? I just want to hear where this started Jimmy is having a good time hearing me telling him about this.
 
Do you think CBS will make a power play for say a Dunham/Miller/Keith for an AM drive position? I wouldnt be suprised if they did, as CBS will probably throw out more money to them cumulus is willing to pay now, not to mention the general mood at KTCK is one of disdain for their current overlords...
 
Slambang said:
Do you think CBS will make a power play for say a Dunham/Miller/Keith for an AM drive position? I wouldnt be suprised if they did, as CBS will probably throw out more money to them cumulus is willing to pay now, not to mention the general mood at KTCK is one of disdain for their current overlords...
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My personal feeling (not based on any inside info) is that BaDD radio will be the likliest defectors. Neither CBS nor Cumulus are gonna pay for jack squat, let's be realistic. CBS is on a cutting spree and Cumulus always has been cheap.

Who's in the 5-hole at The Ticket? Bob, Dan, and Donovan. It'd give them a chance to step out of the limelight at The Ticket and into the foreground at The Fan.
 
I think BaDD radio will be the likely defector as well, as D&M are in rhyners back pocket when it comes to loyalty. Bob, Dan and Donovan have enough talent to pull off a morning show from 6-10am and enough material as well. It would also hit the little ticket hard, as Sturm is also the backbone of their cowboys/stars post-game shows.
 
outlaw2448 said:
You know Gavin or his boss? I just want to hear where this started Jimmy is having a good time hearing me telling him about this.
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I'm sure Russ, and BDH would have said something along the same lines a couple weeks ago too. :D

The truth is that Gavin is far too hands on and would rather have someone of his choosing he can have in there to re-form Jagger into a semi-sports show that works for the new format. "Can Jimmy Do It?" (while funny) isnt Gavin's cup of tea. We'll eventually see how everything falls into place though.
 
I would target BaDD radio too. I can't see any time soon when they would get a chance to move from middays at the Ticket. So, a shot at morning drive is going to be hard to pass up, whether they are happy with Cumulus or not.
 
The problem is do B&D&D want to leave 'the mothership' and a shift where they don't have all the pressure on them, to take over a daypart (either AM or PM drive) where the gun will be to their head to produce ratings and revenue.

So let's say CBS throws stupid money at them to get them away from KTCK. All that does is up the pressure on them. And they may love that pressure. But if they fail, they've burned their bridge and won't get to go back. Be interesting to see if B&D&D are willing to trade security and a decent payday for the gamble of a bigger payday...
 
little1 said:
The problem is do B&D&D want to leave 'the mothership' and a shift where they don't have all the pressure on them, to take over a daypart (either AM or PM drive) where the gun will be to their head to produce ratings and revenue.

So let's say CBS throws stupid money at them to get them away from KTCK. All that does is up the pressure on them. And they may love that pressure. But if they fail, they've burned their bridge and won't get to go back. Be interesting to see if B&D&D are willing to trade security and a decent payday for the gamble of a bigger payday...
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Nobody at Cumulus is secure.

Look at what they did to their FM cash chow. I bet you that the entire airstaff at The Wolf are cumulatively making less than Bobby Mitchell, Chris Sommer, Tara Ward, Justin Frazzell, Cody Alan, and Amy B were making just 3-4 years ago. The Ticket's been largely unchanged since Cumulus came in my guess is they're itching to change that.

Even a lowball morning show offer is more than the BaDD radio guys are making right now.
 
But the thing to remeber there is that the Wolf went through a stretch where they were number 1. And then went into a tailspin where they dropped big time. And that drop just happened to be when Cumulus took over.

You can justify paying a traffic guy a 100K when you're number 1. Much harder to do when you're #6 or #8.

And the same holds true for Russ. Somebody on another thread threw out Russ making a 7 figure salary. That seems high, but start at the 500K that Greg Williams was quoted as making in the Observer, add some for Russ being the "star" instead of part of a team. If Russ was making 700K, again, might make sense when KLLI was #1 Men 25-54. But when Russ drops to #6? The economics just don't work out the same...

Nobody anywhere, making more than their ratings can justify, is secure.
 
5hithitthefan said:
outlaw2448 said:
You know Gavin or his boss? I just want to hear where this started Jimmy is having a good time hearing me telling him about this.
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I'm sure Russ, and BDH would have said something along the same lines a couple weeks ago too. :D

The truth is that Gavin is far too hands on and would rather have someone of his choosing he can have in there to re-form Jagger into a semi-sports show that works for the new format. "Can Jimmy Do It?" (while funny) isnt Gavin's cup of tea. We'll eventually see how everything falls into place though.
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What do you mean? Seriously that is just rumors started by someone just so they get into the spotlight.
 
charles123 said:
jeffdfw said:
Solution... Move The Jagger Show to mornings at JACK.
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That'll never happen
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Especially since the IPOD shuffle and voice tracking is doing so well. Low maintenance, low budget, low talent ego.
 
FrontRowGreg said:
You can't be a sports talk station and having a morning drive show that is light on sports. It would be like ESPN broadcasting the Today show in the morning.
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Have you ever heard of WFAN in NYC? Probably the most succesful sports talk station ever. They built that station on a morning show that had almost no sports talk.
 
RTibbs said:
FrontRowGreg said:
You can't be a sports talk station and having a morning drive show that is light on sports. It would be like ESPN broadcasting the Today show in the morning.
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Have you ever heard of WFAN in NYC? Probably the most succesful sports talk station ever. They built that station on a morning show that had almost no sports talk.
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after some research it would appear RTibbs is correct. CBS appears to be modeling 105.3 after the the very successful WFAN in NYC.

by the book!

I knew those promos sounded oddly familiar...
 
All they need now is talent. Ratings don't happen by accident, it takes shows with great talent working hard everyday. Let's hope that this is a short term line-up and they are moving to bring in the real deal.
 
ISaidSo said:
All they need now is talent. Ratings don't happen by accident, it takes shows with great talent working hard everyday. Let's hope that this is a short term line-up and they are moving to bring in the real deal.
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I just don't know if the model that works in NY can work here. Generally NY'ers are die hard fans of whatever teams they support and can listen and talk about them hours on end. Plus, think how many pro sports franchises so they have to talk about in their listening area (Jets, Giants, Nicks, Yankees, Mets, Rangers, Islanders and even some of the Jersey teams). That's a LOT of sports and you can see that taking up a quality broadcast day.

Here in Dallas the only thing close to that we have is the Cowboys. Ok so yea there is a 2 hour daily show during the season, 1 hour in the off season with liberal commercials. Maybe 2 hours for the Rangers and Mavericks respectfully. SO you have 6 hours MAYBE, with tons of commercials and that would only fly DURING the season. Never mind the fringe sports like soccer and hockey.

And let's not forget that outside of the Cowboys, Dallas is notorious for being a city of fair weather fans. A very "what have you done for me lately" mentality. So unless all those teams are doing good it is a further stretch to fill time to talk about them.


On top of all that, there are two other sports stations in this market. One that has a foothold in the die hard sports fan audience and the other that shares the name of a TV network. And it can be argued that the Ticket has a good relationship with the teams in the area so they get the quality people to talk to on the air. Hmmmm listen to Tony Romo on the Ticket or a Tashard Choice on 105.3?

Unless they get the cowboys then I give them a year at best. Even with the cowboys, I dunno if you can take something that is successful in NY and import it to Dallas. I think a big part of WFANs success in NY is the listeners that call in that range from idiot comical to very knowledgeable.. I don't think this market can support that. Even on the ticket they aren't 100% sports. How many times do you hear them talk about very very non sports topics on the hardline?

There is a reason the #1 sports station in this market isn't like the original WFAN to begin with.

It's hard to trade on the reputation of a great station in NY that most here have never heard of. I would equate it to a new Top 40 station to compete with 106.1 but trading on the legacy of 1190. Most listeners would have no clue.

I don't see this lasting very long.
 
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