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Noticed TFM has gone all Christmas on T-giving

  • Thread starter TightwadSquarepants
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yocco, you've worked-ing/programmed and AC format? Looks like you know it well.
 
Mr. D....You were doing radio in the 70's! How old are you.....Times change and so has radio. People like hearing DJ'S talk about themselves. You need to stand at Walmart and pass out carts at your age! Get out of radio and thinking you know Radio. It has changed since the 70's Grandpa!
 
Bored - OP...The key is you use to Program! You lost your job didn't you! Sorry Loser! Where do you work now.....or do you still just pay for girls at the ear? See you there!
 
I've had the good fortune to be able to program a couple of A/C stations in small and medium markets. I'm currently on the "beach" programming wise. Looking to get back.
 
Sorry honkytonk, still working.........and never had the pleasure of visiting "the ear". I used to program, and am currently extremely happy being "on the air". I've programmed CHR, Hot AC, AC, Dabbled with Oldies, but always enjoyed the air work more than the pd part.....partly because I never really had a passion for pop music. If the listeners like what Taylor does, great. I'm not thier target anyway. So what do I know? I just think she sounds self absorbed and Steve just goes with the flow. A great AC morning show, where the personalitys talk about thier lives without sounding self centered is Q99 in Roanoke. I don't like AC, but that is a good sounding AC.
 
Hunchbackbruce,

I was in radio in the late 1950's as a teenage boy. Started at age 14. I pulled my time in radio. Not been on radio since 1974.

Now I have a NICE, VERY WELL PAYING, PRESTIGEOUS POSITION in broadcasting media. Something you will never have.

YOU may like to hear DJs talking about themselves. Especially your BOYFRIEND.
Now I know why you are hunchbacked!!!!
 
I don't care if you're 70 or 20, mr. d is in his early 60's if you do the math. I just wanted to state that I'm a big fan of the mouse's ear, much better than that nasty bottoms up. I think honkytonkbadonk's mom and sister were working there last time I checked. Is it even still there?
 
Thank you Jay Street. You are wise not to downgrade me like Hunchback"bottom-up" did. Hunchback may just ask me for a job one day. Hunchback, the answer is "NO".

Street. If you are in your 20's or 30's, you keep that attitude and you are going places. You may have a leather chair, just like mine.

Hunchback. Better keep listening to your DJ on the air. He may have to support you.
 
Mr. d,
I wish I could learn everything you have forgotten about radio.
You could teach many of the young bucks a thing or two.
One piece of advice to the upstarts on this board...
Without the old guys (I guess I can put myself in that category
by todays' standards - 20 years in the biz) you young know-it-all-
rely-on-the-automation-10-second-liner-reading-barely-out-
of -high-school-still-living-with-mommy-and-daddy-think-you-
deserve-a-break-today-because-you-heard-a-cool-song-on-myspace-
wanna-be-rock-stars-but-had-to-settle-on-reading-teen-magazine-to-"relate"-
glorified-button-pushing-little-boys-(and sometimes gals)....
WOULD
BE
NOTHING.
For once in your lives give credit to the men and women who busted their
behinds to make radio listenable before you came along and thought you had
the world by the crotch ruining it with too heavy a rotation and limited
libraries full of horribly produced music that is all too often forgotten when it
falls off the chart! You are absolutley right when you say radio is not the
same now as it used to be. At least the old heads knew how to adapt. I dare
say that if someone threw a monkey wrench in your precious automation systems
NONE of you would have the fortitude or stamina to keep the music playing
like these dedicated broadcasters. When was the last time you did an entire show
on manual?
That's what I thought.
Hitting a post does NOT make you anything but good at timing. I could train
a cat to do the same thing.
They sacrificed so you could make outrageous posts touting yourselves as
superstars. Not only are you lackluster, but you make legitimate hard working radio
jocks look like fools.
I put a challenge to the "kids" here. Do a show without automation, no instant replays,
no 360s, no Adobe Audition. I'll put ANY of the "antiquated" old farts up against you - ANY format.
Then we'll see what talent is all about.
 
Quite the rant, spin dr. And quite true. Allow me a line or 40.

Two turntables, a triple stack, a mic and reel. back before 'puters, I got a kick out of hacking tape during request shows. 5 edits in 3:40. Plus I could take a dump, on the other side of the building, in the 2:33 of a Boys II Men cut. Nothing like pulling a saturday morning with a puking hangover and not having automation. Nothing like being flat on your back in the studio floor, and have to get up every 4 minutes to hit buttons, load discs and carts and do breaks.....then puke in the garbage can......ah yes, the good ole days. Even started radio at an AM daytimer, 15 feet from the transmitter and rack, with the only ventilation being a huge exhaust fan in the back room....in the 98 degree summer heat, in a cow field, 40 yards from active train tracks. Pull from the front, put at the back rotations. About 20 years ago. Thats where I started. Of course my old man did it before me so I was always around the biz. I remember going on remote with my dad, and those were real remotes......spinning the tunes and playing the spots from the 300 pound portable studio desk (mr. d probably pulled a few of those around). I remember thinking how cool it was for my dads name to be on the front of it. Those are my good old days. The days when everyone in radio got the biggest kick out of making an adverse situation sound like radio gold. We always enjoyed chaotic behind the scenes situations, when the format went out the window so we could do what we do best, get info out and make it shine. Not alot of that anymore. But I can manipulate the latest automation and make it work for me. Automation makes a lazy jock lazier and a good jock great. I think Warlock said it best in another thread, lose quote "if your still working in radio these days, YOU ARE GOOD." or crazy. I quess it really is in the blood. If you are new to radio, you'll find out really quick if its for you. You gotta realize, many came before you.......and many will follow.....don't expect to be taken seriously for 3 years.......thats the magic number. If you make it that long, you've pulled the crap shifts, realized you suck on the air and need work, you then know you don't know a thing, your ego has been crushed, you make no money and probably never will....and you bitch about it ALOT, but you'll do anything for your station. Yep, three years......at that point you've officially joined a dwindling eclectic club of wierdo's, ner-do-wells, egomaniacs, and overly eccentric radio people. And If you are new you've probably heard this from a vet or two in you building: "You just gettin into radio? What the F%$k are you thinking!?!" Thats just the standard greeting, think nothing of it.

OK.....where's NYQUIL. Time for my third dose.
 
just wanted to get in on all the fun. what is this a VA reunion?
 
Thank You mr. d for the compliment. Leather chairs are nice, I hope to have one, one day. I can actually say I enjoy listening to the stories from bored op and spindoctor as well. I can't say I've ever been there, but sounds nice! I know the basics on the older equipment and that's it, I do admit. But you shouldn't put down audition, it's a great tool for radio. But remember I'm talking about audition here and not automation. Bored op hit it right on the head. Not to put words in his mouth, but I assume he meant something like audition making good jocks great, automation making lazy jocks lazier or maybe both. As for automation alone, there's a good side of it... small independent station who HONESTLY can't afford to pay someone to pull the graveyard shift. Notice I didn't mention companies that DO have enough money but won't pay a jock to save 10 cents. There's your problem with automation.

And Geek: You're no longer entertaining!
 
Is it just me or is it --- that WTFM has trouble with figuring out just what group to cater to I hear everything from POP to New Country and now this Blue Hair Christmas stuff ,,,and correct me if i'm wrong (and thats very rare) I don't think the Jocks do the formatting ...... ???
 
You are correct, Mr. Radio, the jocks don't pull tunes......unless they don't have a PD or MD. Then a jock is most likely working on Selector to crunch out logs. As I understand it, TFM has no PD or even interim PD at this time. But someone is scheduling music. My guess is either Steve Mann or Dave Barnett is doing logs and generally keeping the ship floating while a search for PD (over a year now?) continues.
 
Steve Mann is doing the music over at 'TFM, and he's not real crazy about it. He doubts he'll ever be named the PD there, and that's a shame. I believe David Widener thinks "we don't have a PD and we're still in the top three in the market. Why should I go out and get one?" If he'd thought that way a long time ago, Mark McKinney wouldn't have been there as long as he was. That staff (any staff, for that matter) needs some guidance. If they don't have that guiding hand, that number 3 ranking may not last for long.
 
I don't know, crossman, I don't know any of them personally, but they are all market vets and have been doing radio for a long time.....I think they're pro's and will do thier jobs with or without a PD. But I don't think being without a captain is a good idea. If there is a bobble in the ratings, that could cause some stress, discourse and finger pointing among themselves....and thats when it starts to unravel. I think TFM could benefit from a new PD from outside the market. Someone with new ideas (for this market) and a different vantage point. Freshen up the sound, without killing the heritage. As fresh as you can possibly make AC sound. Gotta love a format that keeps records in power rotations for over a year.
 
Bored-op, they already tried bringing in a PD from outside the market and that was a collosal failure. Sorry, Double-D. I was in the building at that time and it was becoming a battleground with all the rumours and intrigue during those many months. Not only that, but I just don't think they need to look outside the building. Give it to Steve or Dave. They've only been in this market since the mid-80's and are a big reason QUT was so dang huge back then, so they know this market and how to win. And I am big believer in promoting from within and rewarding your people. Widener, however, wants a yes man in that position, and I don't think David thinks that those two are. That and he is saving probably about 35-grand in not filling the position. They just don't see that by saving a few bucks today, they may be losing that or more in the years to come by damaging the product.
 
Too bad, then. Are they consulted now? I love consultants. They breeze into town, borrow your watch, tell you what time it is, and give you back your watch. And then get paid a salary for a top notch jock for a year. But thats another topic. Promoting within is a good idea, but sometimes can be difficult for both parties......a peer becomes a boss. That can be a big hurdle sometimes. Its hard to wear two hats and pull it off. If they aren't seriously looking for a PD, they ought to at least take the posting down.
 
At one time, Alan Sneed (competing with Dick Clark for the title of "World's Oldest Teenager) was the consultant, but he's no longer there. From talking with Steve recently, I think Dan Vallie has something to do with the station, but don't quote me on that. I know there's a new consultant there, but the name escapes me right now. Bored-op, I meant no disrespect to any of the current airstaff. I know them all, and they're all wonderful people. But you're right...there needs to be a captain there. If anything, as a referee to come in-between any possible discourse among staff members. And also, someone from outside with some new, fresh ideas might just be what the station needs. And TWSP is right, too...David doesn't want to spend the extra bucks when he can benefit from that money, as all board members get a cut of the pie at the end of the year when the station is under budget. Pay someone else that extra 35-40 Gs and that's money you don't get to split up at the end of the year.
 
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