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Now FM spins its powers 140x a week

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http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9112/nowsongs.gif - graph of all the songs 92.3 Now plays
92.3 only plays 70 songs. And only 38 are played more than once a week. The 6 songs in power rotation are spun 140x. Keep in mind, there are no commercials. That means those same 6 songs are played every hour. There are 7 more in heavy rotation, played every 2 hours.
 
Thats the overkill that killed now for me in 3 days... I even dumped it off my presets...
 
What I noticed is that they only play one gold cut per hour, and it always seems to be some form of rap. Considering that their current rotation has a number of bona fide pop songs, as well as one pop-rock track ("Gives You Hell"), this strikes me as odd. Seems like it would make more sense to either diversify their gold rotation, or just stick to currents. But hey, I'm not the target audience.
 
All CHRs play recurrents and golds. A CHR isn't just defined by its currents, it's defined by its recurrents and golds. How often those are played, as well as what are played.
 
It's ridiculous overkill. I just can't force myself to listen anymore. When added up certain artists, they are getting over 240 spins a week. I continuously hear Britney 2x in an hour and sometimes only 12 minutes apart.
 
It's like the latest Now! That's What I Call Music CD played on shuffle over and over.
Britney is played nearly 300 times a week. Lady GaGa is played 250 times. They must be loving the royalty checks. I predict what song I'll hear when I tune in to 92.3, and I'm right more than half the time. I heard Love Lockdown blasting from a car stopped at a red light, and tuned my portable radio to 92.3 and heard the same song, that's how predictable the station is.
 
When sister station WBCN in Boston did the April Fools "Power 104" CHR format change gag, they repeated the same six Kanye, Lady Gaga, Britney songs over and over every hour. When the joke was over and they were talking about how funny the bit was, they noted that certain REAL CHR's have that as their actual playlist. How right were they..LOL
 
It doesn't matter how many times a station plays a song. Remember, the HITS are the HITS. And if they are rotating the right songs the ratings go up everytime. Ask any successful Top 40 programmer.
 
Bobby Chaffin said:
It doesn't matter how many times a station plays a song. Remember, the HITS are the HITS. And if they are rotating the right songs the ratings go up everytime. Ask any successful Top 40 programmer.

Programmers also have to take into consideration the "burn" factor, and considering that many, or most, of today's "hits" are of a far lower caliber than the hits of, say, the sixties and early seventies, they can burn quite rapidly, and playing them more than 140 times a week certainly doesn't help.
 
MarcR said:
Bobby Chaffin said:
It doesn't matter how many times a station plays a song. Remember, the HITS are the HITS. And if they are rotating the right songs the ratings go up everytime. Ask any successful Top 40 programmer.

Programmers also have to take into consideration the "burn" factor, and considering that many, or most, of today's "hits" are of a far lower caliber than the hits of, say, the sixties and early seventies, they can burn quite rapidly, and playing them more than 140 times a week certainly doesn't help.

More importantly in this case, it also causes people to go to other stations like Z100 that doesn't spin their powers 140x a week.
 
MarcR said:
Programmers also have to take into consideration the "burn" factor, and considering that many, or most, of today's "hits" are of a far lower caliber than the hits of, say, the sixties and early seventies, they can burn quite rapidly, and playing them more than 140 times a week certainly doesn't help.

Yeah, try telling a Jonas Brothers fan that their music sucks.

Today's songs are as good for today's generation of Top 40 listeners as the stuff of the 60's was for that generation. Saying anything else is just generational bias.

WABC spun the top hits every 90 minutes in the 60's... that is Top 40.

And today, we can see burn happening and move songs down or out if they get crispy. In the 60', all we could do is find out sales and juke box plays, so we could easily spin the songs more times now than back then with confidence in the appeal of each song.
 
Bobby Chaffin said:
It doesn't matter how many times a station plays a song. Remember, the HITS are the HITS. And if they are rotating the right songs the ratings go up everytime. Ask any successful Top 40 programmer.

I respect and understand the "HITS" mentality of a programmer and the way you think, but you can't program a station the same way you would 15-20 OR EVEN 10 years ago ! People are getting the hits in soo many other places and quicker than ever. Times have changed my friend. It's not like then where radio was the only place to get it first or the only place to hear it other than your turntable or A track. It's almost 2010 for crying out loud. There are soo many more artists and music nowadays.. if they don't adapt to the times just a little- radio IS and Will continue to become a "DYING BREED" for music.
 
DavidEduardo said:
MarcR said:
Programmers also have to take into consideration the "burn" factor, and considering that many, or most, of today's "hits" are of a far lower caliber than the hits of, say, the sixties and early seventies, they can burn quite rapidly, and playing them more than 140 times a week certainly doesn't help.

Yeah, try telling a Jonas Brothers fan that their music sucks.

Today's songs are as good for today's generation of Top 40 listeners as the stuff of the 60's was for that generation. Saying anything else is just generational bias.

WABC spun the top hits every 90 minutes in the 60's... that is Top 40.

And today, we can see burn happening and move songs down or out if they get crispy. In the 60', all we could do is find out sales and juke box plays, so we could easily spin the songs more times now than back then with confidence in the appeal of each song.

In time, people will inevitably grow out of Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers. As they mature and their tastes become more refined, these acts will inevitably be forgotten.

The music of past decades was far more organic and had much more universal appeal than the acts of the present day. Bands like Depeche Mode and New Order had music that was constructed around a synthesizer, but their songs had depth and creativity which virtually all of today's music lacks.

These days, too much of the music you hear is more the work of the producer(s) than the artist(s). Hip-hop has been reduced to embarrassing cliches (it's a sad state of affairs when Soulja Boy Tell 'Em has one of the biggest hip-hop hits), too many acts depend on bland song doctors for their material, and the majority of songs out there feature no proper instrumentation and feature tons of vocoder, AutoTune, and other studio effects. Kanye West and Taylor Swift are a couple of artists that have had quite a few hits and can do no wrong in their fans' eyes ... however, if you've ever seen them perform live, you know they're both terrible.

The bulk of today's music is disposable and will not stand the test of time. Yes, Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers are huge now ... but so were Ohio Express, The DeFranco Family, New Kids On The Block, Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, Hanson, NSYNC, 98 Degrees, etc. Do you hear any of these acts on the radio today? The only time a bubblegum act has any longevity is when they're a tabloid trainwreck, like Britney Spears.

There is definitely a lack of relevant music receiving mainstream recognition. Sure, there's plenty of terrific bands out there, and some of them have enough popularity to play arenas, but they're fortunate if their albums even go platinum. The biggest "rock" bands right now are The Killers, Fall Out Boy and Nickelback. The Killers are Duran Duran redux, Fall Out Boy are Tiger Beat posing tween sensations, and Nickelback ... well, it's like someone dredged up the ghost of '70s/'80s corporate rock, only this band makes you actually long for the days of Styx and Journey.

Where do we point the finger? Perhaps we can thank downloading for turning the music industry into a singles-driven medium again. Maybe we can lay the blame on American Idol. Whatever the case is, it's very rare for an important band to go platinum these days. We'll see if the majority of popular acts today still have careers even 10 years from now. One would think that eventually people are going to tire of Nickelback's incessant rehash, but never say never ... AC/DC has proven that you can write the same song over and over again and still be hugely popular.
 
DavidEduardo said:
MarcR said:
Programmers also have to take into consideration the "burn" factor, and considering that many, or most, of today's "hits" are of a far lower caliber than the hits of, say, the sixties and early seventies, they can burn quite rapidly, and playing them more than 140 times a week certainly doesn't help.

Yeah, try telling a Jonas Brothers fan that their music sucks.

If the abysmal ticket sales to their concert movie, and the equally abysmal sales of the soundtrack to that movie, are any indication, I think the erstwhile Jonas Brothers fans have already figured out that their music sucks! As for generational bias, I'm a Gen Xer, not a baby boomer, so I'm just acknowledging that the popular music of their era was superior to most of the pop music of my youth and to the pop music of today.
 
I'm gonna have to side with Marc on this one. A hit is a hit, that's all good and true, but most programmers do not rotate their powers 140 times per week. In fact, of all the current-based formats the CHR radio stations pound their currents the most, though most shy away from playing any song more then 100 times per week. Still, there are exceptions to the rule…

Stations other then Now 92.3 that overplay their top records:
XM's 20 On 20 played Lady Gaga's "Poker Face" 180 times last week(!!!)
Hot 95.7 Houston, Hot 107.1 Denver, Amp Radio 97.1 L.A. played "Poker Face" about 130 times in the past week
Radio Now 100.9 Indianapolis played "Poker Face" almost 120 times
104.5 The Cat Lexington, 103.5 Kiss FM Chicago, 106.7 Kiss FM Rochester played "Poker Face" almost about times
Even Kiss 108 Boston is guilty of playing “Poker Face” over 110 times
104.7 Kiss FM Phoenix and 107.1 Kiss FM Cincy have “Poker Face” at the 110 mark
At about 105 spins for “Poker Face” you got Mix 96.1 San Antonio, Planet 102.3 Corpus Christi, Z-100 New York and Portland, B-92 Charleston, Q-102 Philly, and 106.9 K-Hits Tulsa, 96.7 Kiss FM Austin, and 102.7 KIIS-FM in L.A.

Flo Rida’s “Right Round” got about 175 spins last week on XM’s 20 On 20 (!!!)
141 spins on Now 92.3
131 spins on Hot 107.1 Denver
122 spins on Hot 95.7 Houston
About 117 spins on Kiss Chicago and Rochester
117 spins on 101.7 The Beach in the Hamptons, and 104.7 Kiss FM Phoenix
110 spins on Kiss 108 Boston, K-Hits Tulsa, and 104.5 The Cat Lexington
109 spins at WAPE 95.1 Jacksonville and Mix 96.1 San Antonio
Between 107-107 spins at Hot 99.5 in DC, Kiss 95.1 Melbourne, B-92 Charleston, Kiss in Cincinnati, Planet in Corpus Christi, Q-102 Philly, and 106.1 Kiss FM Dallas

All American Rejects “Gives You Hell” is getting over 160 spins at XM’s 20 On 20
130 spins at Hot 107.1 Denver
122 spins at Hot 95.7 Houston
115 spins at 95.1 WAPE Jax
111 spins at 101.7 The Beach in the Hamptons
110 spins at 104.5 The Cat Lexington
Between 104-108 spins you got Star 94 Atlanta, Sirius Hits 1, Kiss in Cincy, and Mix 96.1 S.A.,
 
CHRles said:
I'm gonna have to side with Marc on this one. A hit is a hit, that's all good and true, but most programmers do not rotate their powers 140 times per week. In fact, of all the current-based formats the CHR radio stations pound their currents the most, though most shy away from playing any song more then 100 times per week. Still, there are exceptions to the rule…

Stations other then Now 92.3 that overplay their top records:
XM's 20 On 20 played Lady Gaga's "Poker Face" 180 times last week(!!!)
Hot 95.7 Houston, Hot 107.1 Denver, Amp Radio 97.1 L.A. played "Poker Face" about 130 times in the past week
Radio Now 100.9 Indianapolis played "Poker Face" almost 120 times
104.5 The Cat Lexington, 103.5 Kiss FM Chicago, 106.7 Kiss FM Rochester played "Poker Face" almost about times
Even Kiss 108 Boston is guilty of playing “Poker Face” over 110 times
104.7 Kiss FM Phoenix and 107.1 Kiss FM Cincy have “Poker Face” at the 110 mark
At about 105 spins for “Poker Face” you got Mix 96.1 San Antonio, Planet 102.3 Corpus Christi, Z-100 New York and Portland, B-92 Charleston, Q-102 Philly, and 106.9 K-Hits Tulsa, 96.7 Kiss FM Austin, and 102.7 KIIS-FM in L.A.

Flo Rida’s “Right Round” got about 175 spins last week on XM’s 20 On 20 (!!!)
141 spins on Now 92.3
131 spins on Hot 107.1 Denver
122 spins on Hot 95.7 Houston
About 117 spins on Kiss Chicago and Rochester
117 spins on 101.7 The Beach in the Hamptons, and 104.7 Kiss FM Phoenix
110 spins on Kiss 108 Boston, K-Hits Tulsa, and 104.5 The Cat Lexington
109 spins at WAPE 95.1 Jacksonville and Mix 96.1 San Antonio
Between 107-107 spins at Hot 99.5 in DC, Kiss 95.1 Melbourne, B-92 Charleston, Kiss in Cincinnati, Planet in Corpus Christi, Q-102 Philly, and 106.1 Kiss FM Dallas

All American Rejects “Gives You Hell” is getting over 160 spins at XM’s 20 On 20
130 spins at Hot 107.1 Denver
122 spins at Hot 95.7 Houston
115 spins at 95.1 WAPE Jax
111 spins at 101.7 The Beach in the Hamptons
110 spins at 104.5 The Cat Lexington
Between 104-108 spins you got Star 94 Atlanta, Sirius Hits 1, Kiss in Cincy, and Mix 96.1 S.A.,

XM 20 on 20 is a constant top 20 countdown voted by listeners, of couse repetition will be huge there.
 
I've been in LA for a few days and listening to AMP I find the playlist much less repetative than NOW.
I suppose in times NOW will expand it's playlist and morph into a real top 40 station.
Didn't AMP get a head start of about a month?
 
Soulcrusher, Top 40 radio shouldn't concern itself if the songs and artists they play will be around in 10 years or how history or music critics will judge them. I understand all your criticisms of the current music, yet it still sounds good on the format, it's ear candy.
 
SoulCrusher said:
The music of past decades was far more organic and had much more universal appeal than the acts of the present day. Bands like Depeche Mode and New Order had music that was constructed around a synthesizer, but their songs had depth and creativity which virtually all of today's music lacks.

That sounds like selective memory to me. There were plenty of disposable songs in the 70's, 80's and 90's that followed the same formula of today. Of course, there wasn't all the technology that we have today but to say that most pop music back then was "organic" is simply untrue. In terms of having a more universal appeal, that might be true. However, that's mainly because there weren't as many options back in the 80's (video games, internet, iPhone, texting, instant messaging, Facebook) to distract you from the radio. And, seriously, so much of popular music from the 80's was SO terrible.
 
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