For those you enjoy web-links, Here's one for WKTU's HD 2 stream.
http://www.hdnycountry.com/main.html
http://www.hdnycountry.com/main.html
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NY country HD2 web site appears
- Thread starter R.F. Burns
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First, I applaud the warm-hearted CCU for “filling a niche” with a low-bitrate HD-2 service. ‘Seems no “real station” can justify that format there—and by the way things are going—look for Rock to soon follow in the Big Apple!
The internet stream sounds like a trip thru an Eventide phase-flanger—but I guess the over-the-air HD-2 likely is little better. And speaking of “on-air” HD-2 at 103.5... WHO in the “Joe Six-pack” Jersey ‘burbs can even hear the darn thing? The 103.5 channel is notorious for its assorted signal problems. It’s at the mercy of a horrific short-space to Princeton’s WPRB FM on 103.3 and has horrible coverage across the Hudson. I guess they might find some listeners out toward Hempstead on Long Island—but that’s in 54dBu territory so “nix” that one!
What a “brain trust” we have in corporate radio
The internet stream sounds like a trip thru an Eventide phase-flanger—but I guess the over-the-air HD-2 likely is little better. And speaking of “on-air” HD-2 at 103.5... WHO in the “Joe Six-pack” Jersey ‘burbs can even hear the darn thing? The 103.5 channel is notorious for its assorted signal problems. It’s at the mercy of a horrific short-space to Princeton’s WPRB FM on 103.3 and has horrible coverage across the Hudson. I guess they might find some listeners out toward Hempstead on Long Island—but that’s in 54dBu territory so “nix” that one!
What a “brain trust” we have in corporate radio
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hipporadio said:First, I applaud the warm-hearted CCU for “filling a niche” with a low-bitrate HD-2 service. ‘Seems no “real station” can justify that format there—and by the way things are going—look for Rock to soon follow in the Big Apple!
The internet stream sounds like a trip thru an Eventide phase-flanger—but I guess the over-the-air HD-2 likely is little better. And speaking of “on-air” HD-2 at 103.5... WHO in the “Joe Six-pack” Jersey ‘burbs can even hear the darn thing? The 103.5 channel is notorious for its assorted signal problems. It’s at the mercy of a horrific short-space to Princeton’s WPRB FM on 103.3 and has horrible coverage across the Hudson. I guess they might find some listeners out toward Hempstead on Long Island—but that’s in 54dBu territory so “nix” that one!
What a “brain trust” we have in corporate radio
Your mischaracterization of country listeners is very revealing. Many country stations attract a very affluent audience.
Are you anywhere near NYC? Don't compare a internet feed with a real HD 2 channel. I have heard this HD 2 and while i am not a country music fan I can tell you first hand that the audio quality is great and it's stereo. WPRB is nowhere near the NYC market. It's at least 70 miles away. I don't know what part of the Hudson you are talking about. I live maybe 5 miles from the Hudson river and about 25 miles from Manhattan and I have no problem locking into and maintainng a good signal from WKTU's HD signal. I am using a B.A. receptor with a dipole inside my home. So say what you will about the NY HD stations, from first hand experience that hasn't been the case at my house. Oh and you don't like the close spaced first adjacent? How do you feel about the close spaced 101.1's in NY and Philly?hipporadio said:First, I applaud the warm-hearted CCU for “filling a niche” with a low-bitrate HD-2 service. ‘Seems no “real station” can justify that format there—and by the way things are going—look for Rock to soon follow in the Big Apple!
The internet stream sounds like a trip thru an Eventide phase-flanger—but I guess the over-the-air HD-2 likely is little better. And speaking of “on-air” HD-2 at 103.5... WHO in the “Joe Six-pack” Jersey ‘burbs can even hear the darn thing? The 103.5 channel is notorious for its assorted signal problems. It’s at the mercy of a horrific short-space to Princeton’s WPRB FM on 103.3 and has horrible coverage across the Hudson. I guess they might find some listeners out toward Hempstead on Long Island—but that’s in 54dBu territory so “nix” that one!
What a “brain trust” we have in corporate radio
whats with the clear channel sites and the links to the hd radio information not working......
error message 403 restricted access .......I take that as, you must join the site by offering your email info etc.
if that the case its a really stupid move
error message 403 restricted access .......I take that as, you must join the site by offering your email info etc.
if that the case its a really stupid move
EasyPeazy said:
Having sold for ten years at a station with a country-formatted “sister” in the building, and having owned two FMs that routinely got their hind-quarters kicked by a competitive country FM—I am fully aware of that market and have NO reason to “mischaracterize” it! The point couldn’t be simpler (unless you’re far too absorbed into an IBOC defense)... New York has been without a “full-power” country FM since 97.1 changed nearly two decades ago, and without rimshot country service since the 107.1 “trombo” was broken up. Affluent “Garth-loving” Manhattan residents aside—the “shoehorned” 103.5 signal offers little realistic potential to reach out far enough with reliable HD-2 service to cover the bulk of the exurban audience who may appreciate that format.
R.F. Burns said:
WHY do I feel like a “high school hall monitor” whenever the HD Radio “shills” start getting “fast and loose” with the facts? WPRB IS NOT “70 miles away” from the WKTU site... Try just shy of FIFTY MILES! IIRC, adjacent-channel spacing for a Class A to a B is nearly 70miles... And BOTH these stations are Class Bs! KNOCK—KNOCK Mr. Burns—that equals a BIG-TIME SHORTSPACE... And not at all friendly to “In-band ADJACENT-CHANNEL Carriers!
No, I do not live near NYC, but I’m well-acquainted with a former fellow-operator who happens to have served on WPRB’s board since about 1990. I have many times heard the stories regarding financially-lucrative “downgrade” offers made to WPRB by THREE LICENSEES of 103.5 over the years. It’s a “grandfathered shortspace” (very typical in the northeast)—and a DOOSEY at that!
The mileage separation between WCBS-FM and WBEB has NO effect on what remains of my FM radio listening—and NO RELATIONSHIP and RELEVANCE to this topic :
Having sold for ten years at a station with a country-formatted “sister” in the building, and having owned two FMs that routinely got their hind-quarters kicked by a competitive country FM—I am fully aware of that market and have NO reason to “mischaracterize” it! The point couldn’t be simpler (unless you’re far too absorbed into an IBOC defense)... New York has been without a “full-power” country FM since 97.1 changed nearly two decades ago, and without rimshot country service since the 107.1 “trombo” was broken up. Affluent “Garth-loving” Manhattan residents aside—the “shoehorned” 103.5 signal offers little realistic potential to reach out far enough with reliable HD-2 service to cover the bulk of the exurban audience who may appreciate that format.As long as we're listing credentials I can say that I have 30 years in NY market radio and not as a salesman. You're right, country is not the way to go in this market. Of course you can not assume that a stations HD 2 and 3 streams must produce income on a par with what a stations HD 1 stream take in. Oldies also no longer exists in NYC, that is unless you listen to the CBS FM HD 2 stream. Radio stations are trying to hold on to listeners who otherwise might go to the competition. Better provide free programing with a minimum of commercial interest than to see that audience disappear.
WHY do I feel like a “high school hall monitor” whenever the HD Radio “shills” start getting “fast and loose” with the facts? WPRB IS NOT “70 miles away” from the WKTU site... Try just shy of FIFTY MILES! IIRC, adjacent-channel spacing for a Class A to a B is nearly 70miles... And BOTH these stations are Class Bs! KNOCK—KNOCK Mr. Burns—that equals a BIG-TIME SHORTSPACE... And not at all friendly to “In-band ADJACENT-CHANNEL Carriers!
No, I do not live near NYC, but I’m well-acquainted with a former fellow-operator who happens to have served on WPRB’s board since about 1990. I have many times heard the stories regarding financially-lucrative “downgrade” offers made to WPRB by THREE LICENSEES of 103.5 over the years. It’s a “grandfathered shortspace” (very typical in the northeast)—and a DOOSEY at that!"The mileage separation between WCBS-FM and WBEB has NO effect on what remains of my FM radio listening—and NO RELATIONSHIP and RELEVANCE to this topic :
Your link gives me a blank page, just as mentioning your "HD radio" gets a blank, disinterested, stare from consumers, and electronics salespersons.R.F. Burns said:
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